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Thanks John,
Alas,  I can't take any credit for doing a speedy job in this instance because its very much a "here's one I did earlier" example.

This however is one that I started on Christmas day.

First a bit of preamble. Back in 2011 for Christmas Chris bought me a few of Jim McGeown's van kits. At the time I built an LNER Refrigerator van but didn't get to the others, which were an NER Birdcage Brake, a Perishables van, and a 6 wheeled brake coach.

Around the same time we were sat having lunch in a little cafe in the village of Rosedale Abbey on the North Yorkshire Moors when I saw a picture of one of the NER Birdcage brake van's at Rosedale but this one had "Side Cotes" (duckets to me and much of the world I suspect) as well as the birdcage on top. I decided that I would like to build one so a couple of years later at a show I bought a second kit and asked Jim if he by any chance had any duff etches that contained the duckets from his NER V4 brake van and he said that he did and duly sent me them. 

Having been up north for Christmas we planned a week at home before I go back to work so I dug out both of the brake van kits and modified the sides on one to take the duckets. The ducket's were too tall  to fit directly so I had to modify those too. 

Here's where I got to the night before last.




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Lovely.  So good to be able to talk to the man directly for things like this.  I like to have different vehicles in my trains, not a whole raft of carbon copies.

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Thanks John.

Connoisseur NER Birdcage Brake Vans continued.

A bit more done yesterday,  fitting of all most of the small exterior items before assembling the main body parts.

alas nothing done today...








These being one of Jim's older kits the etch marks for the rivets/bolt heads to be pressed out are a bit on the big side making punching them centrally more difficult. I hope to get around this by drilling them out and inserting brass pins instead - the first of them in the last photo - as you can see they are a bit uneven, thats because I had tried to punch these initially and then decided to drill. 

Just in case you are wondering what the solder is around the holes - it's tinning for soldering the white metal end posts later in the build.



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In between messing about getting my DCC working I have made further progress on the two NER Brake vans. I have been quite impressed that I have managed to add almost all the detail to sub assemblies before making up the main units and adding the solebars. The only things to add to the upper bodies are some corner plates that fold around the corners, some handrails that also go around the ends, the cast end posts and the lower footboards which I need the W Irons in place before I can cut the supports to final length.



The roof is still loose. Jim recommends leaving it loose to glaze and making it clip on afterwards I need to explore how I can do this yet.





Although I have the birdcage for the second one assembled it's not soldered to the roof yet.



Paul Gallon over on RMweb kindly reminded me that the example that I am trying to reproduce with this one also had windows in the birdcage end. 
In the photo above you can seem my error. I cut out the windows using those at the other end as a template but didn't think about the fact the the side duckets have sides which protrude into the van internally and that the sides nearest the end windows partially obscure it. - Why is it that you never notice these things until you have made nice job of soldering the body together, made much more difficult by the fact that on this end I couldn't get to the inside so I had to solder it from the outside and clean up.





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As I mentioned on John's workbench thread last week, last weekends task was to add transfers to the various Parkside builds that I have been working on recently.

Starting with the LMS Beer Van.






















And finally an arty shot that was created by accident as I was preparing the photos




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The last couple of evenings have seen further work on the Birdcage brakes.
Monday saw some of the hand rails and the end posts fitted. - Chris bought me a Proxxon Mini Pillar drill and a Proxxon Bench Vice for Christmas and they have been invaluable in doing these especially drilling out the cast end posts for the handrails.









Then last night saw the remaining body side handrails fitted along with the upper ones on one end. The drawing and photo from the Sadler book that I am working from has a different layout of the hand rails on the end than Jim shows in his instructions with the end rails passing through the end posts rather than attaching to the outer face of them.

The interested may wonder why I am just working on this one at the moment. That because I think that the only way to be happy with the one with duckets is going to be to remove the end with the birdcage and then cut out the intrusive sides of the ducket and I am still building up the courage to have a go at it....



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Very interesting to see this Rob.  I am curious about the end posts - they seem out of all proportion for a structural element.  Is there another purpose for them?

You will need to don your loin girds to do the ducket removal.  :mrgreen:

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Brossard wrote: Very interesting to see this Rob.  I am curious about the end posts - they seem out of all proportion for a structural element.  Is there another purpose for them?

You will need to don your loin girds to do the ducket removal.  :mrgreen:

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 Hi John,
It seems that the design of end post was quite standard for NER Stock, the large wooden hopper wagons had similar end posts. I seem to recall reading that they passed below the buffer beam to allow shunting using something with dumb buffers.

When the LNER continued to build hopper wagons for the NE area they cut the end post off level with the buffer beam like most other stock.



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Last night, the Loin Girds were well and truly donned and I got on with removing the end from the other van. 

Like a lot of things that you worry yourself about it was really quiet an easy job in the end. 

Using a few aluminium hair grips and self locking tweezers as heat sinks for the steps and lamp irons I managed to get the end off, remove the offending bits of metal (with a combination of piercing saw/ rotary sanding drum and a cylindrical burr grinder in the dremel finished off with files) and subsequently soldered back on without anything coming adrift, Yeay!!!



And for completeness these are the photos of progress on the other van that I forgot to post last night....








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Ha, the right appliance, attitude and tools will see you right.

Looking at the windows you cut in the end, I'm wondering if you're up for adding some beading.  :shock:

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Brossard wrote: Ha, the right appliance, attitude and tools will see you right.

Looking at the windows you cut in the end, I'm wondering if you're up for adding some beading.  :shock:

John
You must be a mind reader,  that something that crossed my mind. I will consult my photo and drawing again because I am not sure that the windows in the end actually had any.



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To my mind it would be odd if there wasn't some sort of window frame.  Standing by.

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Hi John,
I have consulted the photo and surprisingly there doesn't appear to be a frame. Most odd.

Not much modelling done over the weekend due to a combination of not feeling well on Saturday and a trip to Pontefract show on Sunday. Which was very enjoyable even if I did come back with etches for 4 Pullman coaches which Chris spotted and encouraged me to buy that I hadn't planned on...

A few hours last night had the first van almost complete (I had thought it complete until I remembered that I hadn't fitted a couple of hand rails or any guard irons under the brake yokes.





The hand rails that are missing are the two small ones above the wrap around rails in this view - the other end should have similar fitted about a quarter of the way up the windows.





I didn't fancy trying to drill out the rather nice cast chimney because it's very slender so I scratched a pair of replacements from telescoping tube and a cover plate from the spares box, completed them.

I also noted on the drawing that the sliding doors had a hasp so I made a couple from scrap etch.




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Looking good Rob.  Photos don't lie.  Is the roof yet to be fixed?   I think handrails do make a model like this.  I also like your scratchbuilding of components.

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Hi John,
The roof is the last bit of the puzzle to work out - how to attach it. I may just glue it in place when it's all painted and glazed. 

On Monday evening I managed to get the missing handrails fitted and the guard irons. I just need to fit the buffers and decide on  how I plan to do the roof and it's ready to paint. - In a senior moment or two I have left some NER sprung buffers at the other house two weekends running which I want to try before fitting Jim's fixed ones if they won't work.

I do love adding extra details where I can and on some builds I almost use as much scrap etch as I do proper parts.



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I think glue is a perfectly acceptable way to attach certain parts to brass kits.  If you need to remove the roof, glue can be defeated easier than solder.

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The body looks tiny compared to the wheels spacing....you must have more Patience than Jobe !



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Some minor surgery combined with Sinusitis has laid me up for the best part of two weeks so the work bench has been quiet. Filling a little more in the way of head space I opted to finish a long time inhabitant of the queens shelf, a Powsides GER 5 plank Open. Before placing it aside I had built it all apart from adding the castings and I am not really sure why I hadn't completed it.

It proved a fairly straightforward build apart from the fact that the brake shoes were miles from the wheels so I had to split them and move them out towards the wheels. Then make a brass strip to represent the tumbler which I soldered to the rear of the castings after filing a slot. The only other changes were (after reviewing photos in Tatlow) to add some ex Connoisseur GER ratchet brake lever guides instead of the supplied hole/pin version.



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Next its back to the NER Brake vans.



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