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 Posted: Wed Sep 14th, 2016 06:17 pm
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A CDU is definitely the way to go. I have one on Trevennan (must do some more on it sometime) and as I only change one point at a time it is sufficient. I think I have the Peco one.  It's a doddle to wire in.



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Up date. I bought a gauge master 16v AC power unit and fitted it yesterday and it worked a dream. Fitted another 2 point motors last night with out any issues. Now have 4 working points when tested the train runs over at a snail's pace but they do make a din when thrown. Some one mentioned using a cobalt motor I don't suppose they will operate on AC will they.

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Ian wrote: . Some one mentioned using a cobalt motor I don't suppose they will operate on AC will they.
No such luck Ian unless you instal a full wave bridge rectifier on the Gaugemaster output and convert the AC to DC. The bridge rectifier  like this
http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/kbpc601-6a-bridge-rectifier-ar80b    £1.34



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Hi Ian,

So it was just a question of voltage. If you like the "CLUNK" of solenoids you're in your happy place, if you don't then stall motor land beckons. That's when that 12V DC transformer could earn its keep. Plus a decision on DCC control or not.

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I thought it would be something quite simply as I had taken great care in the alignment / centralizing .
I bought a dcc dynamis system but I couldn't get away with it partly due to losing the wireless connection. I part exchanged it for a Lenz 100 which I like a lot so far with the limited use that I have had from it.
As I have no experience of building a layout I decided rightly or wrongly that I had enough to cope with running the trains without having to cope with turnouts via the the same hand set so I decided to build a control panel to switch the points. 




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Hi All. 

Just finished wiring up Seeps for my new layout and have fitted a CDU from BlockSignalling - cheap and very reliable kit.  I wired the Seep's 6 outputs (I use the ones with switches built in) into a "choc box" connector block with 6 terminals and screwed that to the underside of the board.  All connections are then made into the connector block - easy to do and an idea borrowed from YouTube - I take no credit.  All soldered joints to the motor and protected by heatshrink.  I wire them up using light flex or even bell-wire.  The currents are really quite small so DO NOT use mains flex or mains cable (the solid single core stuff).

My supply is the 16V AC auxilliary output from an old Hornby train set controller (R965).  Low power hence the CDU but they can be bought cheaply on eBay with the appropriate mains plug.  Yarslow uses 4 of them as the 16V output is also useful for the Gaugemaster walk-about controllers.

I would agree with the advice of using plasticard strip to centre the point blades and hold them steady whilst you fit the motor.  I screw my motors down tight although do use a thin sliver of cork as a washer under the board to avoid the board sitting hard up against the baseboard.  Leave the PECO springs on the blades as suggested.  Test that you have the crossing polarity correct using a circuit tester.  If you get it back to front, its easy to switch the wires in the connector block.  Test the point with a loco and Hey Presto.

I used Peco point motors on my Yarslow layout but by the time you have bought the motor and the stick-on switch, they work out pricey.  The switches also wear out and I have had to replace a couple in the 5 years of the layout's life.  They are easier to fit if you clip them to the underside of the point but then you hav to drill enourmous holes in your baseboard!  I have used a couple surface mounted in the storage areas.

My conclusions - I like Seep motors with the crossing switch and would recommend sticking with them.

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Further to the above - here's a thing.

I use Hornby power plug transformer units to supply power - they are the ones used to drive those horrible old analogue controllers - the black boxes with the red knob and a 16v auxilliary output.

For my new portable layout, I fitted a power connection chassis in the control board and plugged the 16v supply straight in but the CDU took ages to recharge and the pair of points some 5ft away from the CDU (connected via a baseboard linking wire) would not fire.

I called in some help from my friend who knows electronics.

Turns out that some of the Hornby power plugs are 12V and some are 16V.  I thought they were all the same but the small writing embossed into the plastic differs.

I replaced the plug for a 16V version and everything works just fine.

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Having replaced the power supply I have not had any problems until I wanted to fire 2 points from one switch for a cross over.
After several hours checking with no success I went and bought a cdu and hay pesto success.
I wish I had bought one sooner

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Ian, as most solenoids draw 2-3 amps, most commercial supplies like the Hornby would not be large enough to drive more than one solenoid direct. As you have found out, a CDU overcomes that supply problem.



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As I have often discovered to my cost, there are no short cuts when it comes to wiring - track or points ............. :thumbs

I have 4 point control systems operating on Maxmill - SEEP motors (via a CDU) and no problems firing 2 points on crossovers (scissors, I think they're called elsewhere in the world).  Tortoise motors operated via the Lenz LS150 DCC accessory decoder and there too, I can fire 2 at once for the crossovers - naturally no CDU required - the third system, servos via a MegaPoints Servo controller, again, no CDU required.  Similarly, this will operate 2 points at once if required although currently, I only have it connected to single points.

The 4th system unfortunately, won't fire 2 points at once but is 100% reliable at changing singles, is highly flexible for use anywhere on the layout, cheap to install and doesn't require either a decoder, CDU or circuit boards.  I have 2 of them and they cost me nothing - there's one at the end of each of my arms ........................ :lol: :lol: :cheers



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Petermac wrote:   I have 2 of them and they cost me nothing - there's one at the end of each of my arms ........................ :lol: :lol: :cheers

Nice one Peter :thumbs


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