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Watching.  :cool:

Alan from ModelU got straight back to me.

He doesn't have the capability to model in 1/4 scale, but he's hoping to have a bigger machine next year.

Still, it was nice to hear from him.



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I always appreciate feedback from manufacturers, shows they're listening.

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Working through the interior elements of the signal box.  While paint dries, I thought I'd have a look at the Engine Shed.

First impressions:  what a lot of parts!  Beautifully cut :thumbs

The doors caught my eye and I followed the instruction to fold and glue them.  However, something didn't seem right - the bracing was etched on both sides - uh oh.  I checked pictures just to confirm and found that I was right.

So, I made my own doors:



LCut doors to the right, mine are on the left.  The outside of the doors should be plain as you can see at top left.

I scribed 0.060" Evergreen sheet then used suitable strip to create the bracing and hinges.

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Working away at he Signal Box and Engine Shed today.  I'm going slowly as I feel my way.  Overall I'm quite pleased at how things look:



Apart from the rear wall, interior panels are V groove Evergreen sheet.  I used some Scalescenes details.  Otherwise I had to paint the moulding which I hate.  Better to have been separate components I think.  Ah well lesson learned.



Not sure how much farther I can take this.  I don't know how many levers I need and I need a signalman.

Made some slow progress on the shed too.  I've done the ends:



These are wrapped in Scalescenes brick paper.  I had a ton of trouble with the arch and circle.  Cutting a long story short, I had the foresight to scan the arches so I have a PDF of these to work with (lesson learned from the signal box).  I finally hit upon using Letraset artists pens to colour these element.  I think they look quite good.  Scalescenes brick paper pack has a number of arch shapes but, typically, none will suit.

Finally the side walls are assembled:



A lot of work yet to do with buttresses and plinths.  Happily I did find a Scalescenes arch that works.

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I've been working steadily if slowly on the engine shed.  I now have the ends and walls done:



I used Scalescenes painted brick (TX05) for the inside and regular brick (TX01) for the outside.  The outside circle and arch were both scanned from theh kit and copied.  I cut them out and used letraset markers (which I've had for probably 20 years) to render the bricks.  Not a bad effect if I say so myself.  The inside circle and arch were sprayed matte white which leaves the lines showing through.



I made the plinth slightly higher than the kit and used regular card wrapped with brickpaper.  Window arches used the same method as the ends.  The sill is taken from the Scalescenes engine shed kit.  Because the window openings are wrapped, their dimensions are reduced slightly so some sanding on the window frames was needed.  These were secured with canopy glue.



...and the inside.  Glazing secured with canopy glue - great stuff and dries pretty much invisible.  Notice the electrical distribution box.

The LCut kit doesn't have anything for the interior so I made buttresses from card.

You may wonder why I didn't just build the Scalescenes kit - it comes with provision for single and two road sheds.  The answer is the windows.  If I was building in 4mm, I'd get these from Brassmasters but no-one does ready made windows of the right shape in 7mm (I don't think).  LCut kits are great because of the really good windows which would be a royal pain to scratch make.

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Looking good, John.  :cool:

Why do the buttresses stop short of the ground on the unpainted side?

I would have thought that a buttress should stand firmly on Mother Earth.  :lol:



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They're resting on the plinth Max, and flush with it.  A trick of the light.  I will give the question further thought.

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Ah.  So the plinth is proud of the wall.

Sorry for doubting you.  :lol:



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Ah yes, I see your issue now, proud of the wall.

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In actual fact, mine are proud of the plinth.




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Yes, Max, that's what I'm mulling - whether to fatten the buttresses.  :hmm

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Mull on.  :lol:



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I'm with Max I would make the buttresses reach the ground with the plinth between.

My scratch built effort below











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Very nice work Andy.  Yep, I'm convinced, todays job is to fatten my buttresses (no rude jokes please).

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OK, so buttresses have been modified:



These make more sense now I think.

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Those look much more convincing John



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. . . and capped as well.  Very nice.  :thumbs

Nice building, Andy.  :cool:



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Good modification John. :thumbs

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Hi John,

I actually think you got it right first time. Although buttresses go to the ground and support a wall (and counteract spreading forces), in the case of engine sheds (and goods sheds) they are actually pillars which directly support the roof beams (often metal I beams plus the rafters), and can either go to the ground or more often rest on a plinth. They often protrude inside as well. The plinth and pillars form the main structural unit, not the walls.The infill with recessed brick usually only has to support the windows (with an arch if there is a lot of brick above). Check Tetbury engine shed or goods shed (you have built the engine shed in OO). The buttresses/pillars rest on the plinth, which protrudes about half a brick. The infill brick panels sit half a brick or a brick in from the buttresses. Something to do with spreading the weight of the roof over as wide an area as possible, rather than concentrating it on a small foundational area through the pillars. It makes no sense to break the integrity of the plinth by dividing it with buttresses/pillars. Engineering brick was usually used for the plinth.

Many brick and wood engine sheds had the buttresses/pillars on the inside to support the roof beams (thus being pillars), and displayed a clean face to the world.

Technical stuff, of no great importance. Read it all up for a project a few years ago. Great model though.

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