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 Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2016 03:49 am
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A fresh take on fire cement modelling.













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Fantastic, Allan.  As per . .

Which bit is the fire cement?



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MaxSouthOz wrote: Fantastic, Allan.  As per . .

Which bit is the fire cement?

Thanks Max.

The buildings and the ground work.

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Marvellous.

Do you mould it or carve it?



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Excellent, as always Allan :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs

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that is fantastic modelling:doublethumb
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MaxSouthOz wrote: Marvellous.

Do you mould it or carve it?

No, it goes on wet, that is to say a 2mil layer spread over card then pressed with the stonewall press, stuck in the microwave for a couple of minutes to set it rock hard then coloured with the wood dye.

The groundwork of course is left to air dry.

Cue for a little story.

Way back in the 70's Peco brought out a modelling compound called Pecoscene but before they put it on the market they asked me to test it and when I found out that it was doctored Fire Cement - in other words, a different colour and nothing else - I was paid handsomely not to mention it and that from then on to refer fire cement to Pecoscene every time I wrote an article for RM. A year or so later however when users discovered that it was in fact Fire cement but at twice the price it was taken off the market.

I have some pictures of the test work I carried out somewhere which is still on display at the Peco Modelrama. I'll try and dig them out later.

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Aha!  It comes out very well.  :thumbs

I like your story, Allan.



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Hi Max











Here's the Pecoscene ( fire cement )  test from back in the 70's photographed recently at Peco Modelrama.



For fire cement they've certainly stood the test of time but the models are kept in a controlled environment ( as I am )



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Excellent work as usual Allan. Well done. Your choice of backgrounds is impeccable and make the models blend in so naturally.



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60019Bittern wrote: Excellent work as usual Allan. Well done. Your choice of backgrounds is impeccable and make the models blend in so naturally.you mean taking them outside was a good idea:pedal
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Thanks, Allan.

Very interesting.  :thumbs



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Hi Allan

 Beautiful work .

 Before retiring , I had a business manufacturing dolls houses for the Australian Market .

 I obtained a simular effect as you fire cement , by using plaster mixed with water and  10%

 PVA  . It dries very hard , can be shaped while wet , and finished after hardening . Or after

 hardening .Colouring is easy, by adding water based paint during the mix.   I have not used
 it on card , I used thin MDF.

 Regards Ted

 

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Thanks for the info Ted, could come in very useful and I can already visualise Max mixing up a bowl as we speak but without the mess !

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Here's another effort  in Fire Cement and watered down black emulsion but this time in a run down and unwanted condition.


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