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 Posted: Tue Apr 5th, 2016 05:41 pm
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Hi Terry, just caught up with your post, very interesting plan and construction, I look forward to seeing how it progresses!
The wire in tube point levers look the business, had a look on the web site and they look very professional, the prices are good too, what were the shipping costs like too here?  

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Thanks Pete.  I bought the levers about four years ago and at that time the total cost of each lever, including 6ft of wire and tube and all fittings, delivered to the UK worked out at about £6.  The current prices are shown on the website but you will have to convert dollars to pounds.

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Uncoupling

I have decided to use the 'Kirby Coupling' invented by a modeller named Brian Kirby.  I have never met     Mr.Kirby but give him credit here for inventing an ingenious method giving virtually cost-free automatic uncoupling, using the standard Bachmann coupling with minimal adaptation. This system has been discussed before in these pages and details can be found on the internet.  This is how it is applied to my layout...

The basic Bachmann coupling is adapted by using an ordinary paper staple, preferably a used one.  It is free and you are recycling, thereby saving the planet!  The staple is straightened and one end is wrapped around the dropper part of the coupling and secured with superglue.  Soldering would be an option.  The staple can be trimmed in length if desired.  Of course, a dab of black paint will disguise them.  Here are two couplings adapted...



Two magnets need to be placed on the track at a distance which will attract both staples simultaneously, thereby pulling them downwards causing the coupling hooks to lift.  I found these minute beauties on Ebay...



There are forty-eight magnets in the photo above.  I bought fifty for a total price of £3.49 postage paid.  Bargain!  Here is a single magnet...




I found that the magnets work fine if they are glued between the sleepers with two sleeper spaces between then.  I filed a shallow groove in the baseboard so that the magnets sit just below the sleeper tops as they will be covered with ballast.




The following photos show how the system works in operation...






I'm hoping that a thin layer of ballast won't diminish the effect of the magnets.  I'll report back on this in due course.  If there is a problem I'll simply install the magnets at sleeper height and a lick of paint will disguise them.


Obviously, the magnets need to be installed on the layout where you wish to uncouple and leave an item of rolling stock.  You can't uncouple and then push a vehicle into another position because it will couple again.  I am currently working out where the magnets are required on the layout.  Fitting takes a few minutes.  A cheap and effective system.  Well done Mr.Kirby.


 


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This is the system used by some of our club members, the only problem I had operating a layout at a show was the occasional "tail" of a paper clip catching the odd raised item like a sleeper crossing. Otherwise it worked fine.



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Q- I had that problem whilst testing the stock in the photos above. The answer seems to be to bend the tip of the staple up in a curve so that it glides over the sleeper tops.  It may also help to snip off a bit of the staple before putting in the bend at the tip.

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"Houston, we have a problem!"

Following on from Ed's comment in the 11th post in this thread, regarding putting the station platform on a curve, I decided to cast a critical eye over same. Sure enough, there is a problem.  In changing Mr.Rice's original plan and in order to get the track around the end of the shed, I had introduced a much sharper curve to the platform.  Having run a carriage around this curve I now realize that some of my small people will have to jump a scale three feet horizontally to reach the platform due to the overhang at the end of the carriages. Answer: resort to plan B!

Plan B

My original curved platform was going to be fairly short at 24 inches, which will accommodate a two coach local train.  Referring to the plan in the first post, I am minded to move the platform to the straight track between the two turnouts, just above where the goods shed is shown.  This piece of straight track will just about accommodate a 24 inch platform.  This means, of course, that the station building will occupy the area roughly where the goods shed is shown on the original plan. If the track currently going to the goods shed is truncated, this could end in a bay beside the station building and could be used as the coal merchant's siding. Meanwhile, the goods shed will be moved to the end of the long siding on the left of the plan in place of the  coal merchant on the original plan. See amended plan below.

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Hi Terry

You asked for comments :lol:

I have little knowledge of LMS branch line practice but to my eye the cattle dock siding seems to occupy a lot of space for what, at best, will be a weekly activity........(or less in your time period?)

You could incorporate it into the good shed siding or actually have it on the running line (not uncommon on GWR branches) or put it on an extended passenger platform (LMS Penrith)

From your opening post I know that, for operating interest, you want to have goods shunting on both sides of the running line. You could still achieve this with Industry on one side and goods yard on the other.

These may well be wild ideas but perhaps might stimulate discussion with other members:cool:

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Hi Terry

If you have a look at this link I think you'll find as John says, probably very little or no cattle traffic in this time period.

http://www.igg.org.uk/gansg/12-linind/012-index.htm

I would suggest putting a cattle dock (used or now disused) on the goods shed line, move the platform/station to where the cattle dock is now which will enable it to be longer, and lengthen the coal siding a bit.

I would think there would still be a quite a high demand for domestic coal in more rural areas during this time and you could have coal for some local industrial purpose being delivered as well.

Just my ideas.


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Edit: just realised the above link doesn't work properly..

try this one.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/7-fops/fo-cattle.htm




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Thank you John and Ed for your suggestions.  For good reasons you both suggest moving the cattle dock to the goods shed road.  This could work well as that particular siding is quite long and there is plenty of room to accommodate a cattle dock.  I'm not so sure about moving the platform to the present cattle dock road as all trains would be unable to stop at the platform without reversing in or out.

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col.stephens wrote:  I'm not so sure about moving the platform to the present cattle dock road as all trains would be unable to stop at the platform without reversing in or out.

Terry

Didn't mean the cattle dock road Terry, you should be able to take it and the catch point out and use the top part of the loop as the platform road (unless I'm reading your plan wrong).

Just means any industry traffic has to go through the platform road, unless you move the industry.


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Glad the cattle siding suggestion may be useful.

I didnt intend to suggest that the passenger platform should be an in and out affair:shock: Sorry if I was less than clear.

I do think it would be nice if the platform was a little longer and to that end I wondered if the Goods siding and Industry locations could be swapped.  Merging the cattle siding means there will be space on the North Side.....and you will be able to retain that useful looking long head shunt........moving the industry south should release space for a slightly longer platform.

As I am sure you know time spent planning is never wasted. I wince at the number of time I say "if only:twisted:"  when operating some parts of Granby:oops:

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Ed - Good idea regarding positioning the platform in place of the cattle siding and removing same.  I was beginning to wonder if there might be a better solution than that proposed by me.

John - No apology needed.  It was Ed's suggestion to which I was replying but I appear to have misunderstood his suggestion. I understand your suggestion regarding swapping the goods shed and the industry but I'm not sure where you think the platform would be.  Could you clarify for me please John?

Thanks both.

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Hi Terry

The station area would remain where you show it but the shorter Indusrty siding would enable you to both lengthen the platform and perhaps the run around loop (my branch run around loop is one of my wincing issues:lol:)

Mind you I think Ed's suggestion for changing the platform location has a lot of merit.

 



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Hi Terry

My thoughts for moving the platform was that you may end up with a longer platform and you could extend it a little on the left around the beginning of the curve, without the overhang gap looking too big.

Only really came to me when John mentioned moving the cattle dock to the goods shed siding.

But it's your layout and it's what your happy with. Rule 1 always applies.


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Thanks John and ED. 

I asked our resident expert at the club to cast his eye over the plan on Friday night, with a view to relocating the platform in place of the current cattle siding, and moving the goods shed to the current industrial siding, as suggested.  He was kind enough to also draw a signalling diagram for me.  Last night I bit the bullet and, within half an hour, had lifted the cattle siding and associated turnout, together with the catch point, and re-laid the loop with straight track to form the new platform road.  A quick bit of wiring today will finish the job.  Although I have lost a siding, it appears that, operationally, there might be an advantage.  Apparently, it will now be permissible to allow a passenger train and a goods train, or two goods trains, to pass in the loop.  The passenger train will always be adjacent to the platform for obvious reasons. 

I measured the space available for the new platform and taking the left-hand end slightly into the curve, as suggested by Ed, it amounts to 2ft 6ins., a big improvement on my earlier suggestion.  The only downside I can see to this new arrangement is that a baseboard joint passes through the left-hand end of the platform.  Never mind, a small price to pay.

Terry

PS - There must be a moral here somewhere about planning the layout to the 'nth degree' before laying the first sleeper, the danger being you will never do anything and will always be in the planning stage. As the saying goes, "He who never made a mistake, never made anything!"

Keep watching this space for plenty more mistakes!

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Hello there my first post on this forum!
You have a nice shed conversion there and it looks very professional. My question is about the magnetic coupling you are trying. Have you any more details of where on ebay you found the magnets?
I had a problem with the cattle dock on my layout, historically it was quite large and situated in the goods yard but there was no room so I had to site it on a kick back siding from a long coach stabling siding. This means interesting and complex? shunting of the vans. The Ian Kirby idea looks like a solution.
another question - do the magnets attract the wagon axles?
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ps - I am having problems with formatting paragraphs - no line spaces!

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Hello Dave.  This is a link to a supplier on ebay. I don't think he is the supplier I used, but the magnets are the same and about the same price £3.41 for 50, postage paid.  He's based in the UK.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N45-8mm-x-3mm-x-1mm-thin-strong-Neodymium-block-magnets-SMALL-PKS-craft-fridge-/181878260353?var=&hash=item2a58ca0281:m:m03lCz6hZP_dzIhKA4swx1w

In answer to your question, the magnets do not appear to have any effect on the axles.

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davecttr wrote: Hello there my first post on this forum!

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Dave, hit Enter or Return a couple times.



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Glad it worked out Terry........I know you will enjoy the flexibility of the longer loop. Too late for me but something I wish I had done

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With grateful thanks to both John and Ed, here is probably the final plan...








I think this works very well both operationally and visually.  The principal railway related buildings are shown, with the exception of a small signal box/lever frame, which will be located on the platform.  Other non-railway buildings will follow in due course.  All track has been re-aligned with the exception of the goods shed siding.  This is being re-laid this afternoon and will include the catch-point, hot off the press from Hattons. 


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