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This is a place holder for my future railway layout with a little back ground information.
Something like 12 years ago I decided to build a railway, it could have been outside up to 7 inch or inside down to as low as N gauge.
Since my other main hobby is sailing in these  http://www.yeomankinsman.org.uk/  I'm hiding behind the guy in the red life jacket if they haven't changed the photo. I decided to aim for a winter hobby indoors, as although I do sail all year round at the moment I'm not sure I can stand the cold for much longer.
Next came the scale I rapidly settled on EM gauge, I had dabbled in it 30 years before, and before that had tried N gauge but my big fingers didn't get on with that.
Then where and what, I like to model real things not imaginary places.
The short list came down to,
The Scottish Railway Preservation Society Line in Bo'ness and Kinneil
The Proposed, started, but never built, Line in Norfolk From Near Mundesley  past my house to eventually, Yarmouth Beach Station.
Ludgershall Station in Wiltshire.
The proposed line got dropped very quickly, however the SRPS line was very attractive a with a harbour-side station running along the coast through an old mine site, turning inland up the side and then through a hill, on a bit more across a viaduct to join the Edinburgh - Glasgow line. Much of my family now live in the area, I had volunteered on the line when I lived there and my brother in law had worked down that mine before it's closure.
Then Ludgershall, this won out, I can just remember Steam at Ludgershall in the Military yard although the through line was closed three years after was born so I only traveled on it as a babe in arms.
My grandfather was ganger there, My mother was born just up the line, my brother was born in the village. My father worked at the rail connected Medical Depot, My Uncle at the rail connected Vehicle Depot ,one of Great Uncles was a navi on the Branch to Tidworth, My Great Great Grand father and Great Grandfather had a coal business there, with railway wagons.
So it could only be Ludgershall.
So I started collecting stuff, books, appropriate locos, carriages, wagons. I bought all the bits to make copies of the family coal wagons, and then as I started to make the first one, Wessex Wagons did a run of 149 of them!! I bought  several and made a diorama of one  in a train of appropriate  to the area wagons and gave it to my father. He then bought more wagons and they've been sent to relatives round the world.
Our family coal yard of the time was along side the line but outside the railway property, as was the families house, this will be modeled!!
Then came the thought where to build line Layout, the loft being in a 1906 house has full standing head room but the two chimney breasts are in the middle of the house either side of a central corridor, leaving only a 3ft crawl through either side not good for access.
So it came to a shed, it rested at that point for some time, then I discussed it with SWMBO whose hobby is painting. SO I suggested she could have an art studio in one end where the track loops round, with storage below and above the railway, Permission granted!!!!!
Next installment the trials and tribulations of shed building......











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First thing to do was chose the site of the shed, we have an acre and a half of garden, oops jungle. Bought because when  we moved here we had 4 rough collies and when SWMBO has a bad back and arms she couldn't take them for long walks. I was working in Saudi at the time if I'd come back we'd have gone bust in the last recession.



Anyway the shed, since we needed electrical power and armoured underground cable is expensive it had to be near the mobile home as there isn't a sensible place by the house. So I choose to place it with the first 20 foot hidden behind the mobile home which has a blank wall facing east with 15ft of unused land between that and a high hedge . 

A mistake I made was to place it parallel to the hedge not the mobile home.I bought a 20*10 foot shed with glazing along one side. The foundations are breeze block  then assembled the floor and sides of the first 10 ft, I then offset sideways the next 10 ft by 2 ft. This was to accommodate the curvature of the railway. At this point rats decided to eat their way through the floor!! So I Poured rat poison down the hole!!The gaps left by the offset were filled with floorboarding and then treated against rot.The roof and glazing were then fitted without problems.

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I must admit my formatting on this system typed on a hudl seems to get all confused sorry I don't know why!!

Having built the first Twenty foot of the shed, I realised I could build something more to my purpose and cheaper than a commercial shed.It has taken longer though...

I had the house double glazed, this gave me 18 top or bottom sash windows to use as windows in the home built section of the shed.Thirteen were built into three foot wide seven foot high panels. Plus A door frame panel and some blank panels were made.The first 12 feet each side from the original shed were bolted together temporarily cross braced and roped.

Then a gale from the east blew smashing 2x4 bracings and one side came down.The next weekend that was fixed and more bracing added.Then a gale from the West blew, smashing more 2x4 cross bracing and the other side blew down!!!.

This caused a redesign, now the layout supports will be come part of the shed. 
The second side of the shed was repaired and put up.luckily no gales before I installed all the framing down one side floor to roof to wall effectively making the wall supports 2ft thick . the following week I did the other side but at that point the layout is roughly two foot from the wall, and 4 ft wide but still braced floor to roof.

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Once I've sorted out how to load pictures onto this forum I'll try to load some drawings on as it will make more sense.,
 

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  Just tried to load in a picture, into the thread both in Firefox and chrome. While the photo went to the gallery OK, It comes up "this browser does not support this operation" if trying thread insertion.Any ideas any one?



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Firefox should be OK as that is what many of us, me included, use.. Chrome -mmmm I am not sure on that but I think it may give problems

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This could be your problem Q, not saying it is, just maybe....

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Well on this computer at work I can copy and past photos into the thread but if I try to link a photo in the gallery it just ignores me and shows nothing.

Anyway to what you can see, is the railway shed in front of you with the shed disappearing behind the mobile home,  the mobile home is to the left, the ground to the left as you look at it, is being raised to give a level  patio for when you step out of the mobile home. The outside part of the railway will come out of the shed on the right and curve up past you parallel with the mobile home before a loop and going back where it came.

Going in the shed door , there is a T bar just inside the door in the right and SWMBOs sewing machine (roughly 120 years old) stepping forward would be 2 feet of railway layout to duck under (Collingbourne station) and on the right a non scenic loop of track round the curved end of the shed. in the middle of the is SWMBOs art area with books and art stuff above and below the lay out.

The opposite side of the shed is Ludgershall station, getting wider as it goes to the left eventually getting to be 10ft wide.

The two Brown poles in front of the shed now support a canopy over the entrance with a suitably railway like valence. SWMBO has started covering the glass with MSWJR, GWR and other stuff.

There is a path under construction roughly from the centre door of the mobile home out to the right where when it crosses the line of the railway will be a lifting bridge.(for the railway). The area between that path the railway and the Railway shed will be the barbeque area.



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During the second year of building, I got the roof on, this spent a winter with three tarpaulins screwed down over the Stirling board roof. Then I fibreglassed the whole roof the following summer and the back walls.


So the construction of the building is:

Front walls UPVC /insulation /Wood cladding.

Rear walls and all the hidden shed are Fibreglass /Wood/ Insulation wood cladding.

The Roof is fiberglass / Stirling board / and mostly insulation covered by more cladding.

The glass sash windows are now double glassed with an outer layer of Acrylic plastic it makes a huge difference to keeping the heat in

That big glass front door you can see was originally a sliding patio door that I turned in to an opener with farm gate pivots top and bottom.  All that cladding and insulation took nearly 2 years to complete!



Soon after starting the interior of the shed we had another Rat invasion. There is a water pipe under the shed from the mobile home that goes on out to the garden. Temporarily there was a gap in the breeze block foundations for the pipe the rats found there way in and up through a gap left in the floor for other services. I didn't have to poison them, they found their own way to the 5KG tub of rat poison and eat their own way in. Shortly after we had 3 very fat rats rotting in the shed they of course went and hid in corners so it was hard to find them....

The floor is now Sealed and the gap in the foundations concreted.



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At least they didn't get into you layout wiring as they did to mine. They brought my 1991 layout to a complete halt and eventual scraping.

Looks a great setup you have there. Plenty of room to be creative in.

Were you a fibreglasser by trade or was the roof just easier to do that way.

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Perhaps to those, who are thinking that I take a long time to build things. I should point out that with a mobile home in the garden and being half a mile from a beach and close to the Norfolk broads we are very popular with family for free holidays. One year we had 22 weeks of visitors!!! We have SWMBOs brother and his wife coming over Easter and I'm arranging for My parents to come down for a month in June.

Next at This point I had to spend time on the mobile Home with My parents and SWMBOs Aunt and Uncle being regular visitors I had to remove the old bath fit a walk in Shower, move the toilet and add handrails to it's new cubicle and then find a new home for the sink.

The following winter I put in a Air conditioning unit / Heater and rebuilt a large part of the Kitchen.

The Following Summer I rebuilt the Bedrooms and living room, the Living room had faced North West ish and the three bedrooms were on the side you can see in the picture. The one much Larger bedroom now faces north West and the side you can see is one large Living room.  That winter I did a bit more inside the Shed, but that was interrupted by SWMBOs Uncle becoming seriously ill and many trips to Rotherham. The following Summer After that Uncle had passed away, I UPVC'd the side of the mobile home.


This winter It's been shelving time, putting tops on the framing for the railway that is now 2/3ds done and shortly I'll finish the ceiling in that area.
Then it's on to the last bit which give me a problem as it's full of all the stuff we are using to build the shed. it'll be summer soon and I think a lot will be decanted out onto the grass and covered with one of those tarpaulins. I also have to finish the UPVC at the top of the mobile home...




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Now I'm nearing being able to start building the railway, the thought of how and what with came to the fore. One thing needed is lots of Point motors, because:

Ludgershall Signal Cabin had 40 levers

Perham Signal Cabin had 11 Levers (the goods yard)

Collingbourne Signal cabin had  16 Levers

Weyhill Signal Cabin had 20 Levers

for the Fiddle yard and exiting the shed I'll need at least another 24 levers minimum.

 So I've been researching, (these are not necessarily the best prices)

Point Motor                                                            

Hornby surface                 £5:10

Hornby under board           £7:04

Peco surface                     £7:21

Peco Servo                       £11:70

Seep                                £4:72 

Gaugemaster under board   £6:95   

Tortoise                            £13:99

Cobalt                               £15.22

Servo from China               £1.15






Now some of these just need a switch to control them, maybe 6p each and some need a CDU and Switch or studs maybe 25p each (CDU/80points) The Peco servo would use the smart switch which is about £6 per turnout. Shopping around on Ebay for switches you can get 100 for £6

 and how to control the Chinese Servo?

Individual electronics for each servo +  Switch 60p, you could do that for the Peco servo as well.

or

Arduino Mega 2560 processor board £6 for up to 48 servos = 12.5p each (Ludgershall + Weyhill) + switch so 19p each turnout

Additional 16 Servo controllers £2.56 = 16p each (Collingbourne, Perham) + Switch so 22p per turnout.

The software is available over the internet plus there is a need to do a little bit of programming and use a PC to do so. You could use an old PC to act as the switches but I wont do that, I sit behind a computer for a lot of the day at work, So it's not wanted on the railway.

Note Not included, Transformers / power supplies,  which all systems will need, wire For all the systems, 

In my case, I'd need to send multiple wires from the control panel over some distance to the individual turnouts, except for the Arduino. The Arduino would require one 4 wire cable to each 16 servo controller and to the additional Arduino from the master. So the many wires will only be local to the station.

Finally Having done a lot of research I'll be using Ebay bought Chinese servos (99p each bought in 10s) and in my case switches I have been given from an old project at work, with the Arduino system.

This will work out at about £1.20p a turnout + wire + you'd need  a 5V 10A  power supply unit from Ebay for £7  (although I have some kicking around so I don't need to buy that).

 Anyone any comments on those thoughts?








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servo`s are the way to go. both in cost and silent working, that is one hell ofa layout you are building,,
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Yes, it is a bit of a monster, I'm probably compensating for trying to Squeeze the civilian side of the station onto  an 8X4 board in the past.
Which brings me to Baseboards, I've spent hours looking at shows, at the various Model railway forums and on Baseboard manufacturer sites.(although I'll be making my own).

The Requirement
To be moved by me on my own, because individual sections will be built at the work bench not in position. (Track may be laid after)
So light weight,
No more than 4X2.5 feet per board ( to save reaching over large sections of board some may be 4ft deep by only 2.5ft along the railway). Also I may take some boards down to the MRC, so they'ed have to get in the back door of the Landrover.
Servos and all electrics to be mounted at the front or back of the layout I've spent too much time lately lying under layouts its a Pain in the Ar**        (Arms).

Easy construction.


I looked at.
Conventional flat, solid wood beams or ply /foam/ply.  For Easy, Against the earth isn't flat.
L Girder, solid wood beams or ply /foam/ply. Against, With the rolling countryside I'd be putting in supports everywhere.

Ply, Egg box construction,  heavier than foam, Cost £15.

All Extruded Foam with Ply edging. Against, cost, three layers of foam and surrounding ply is nearly £50 a board ouch!

Extruded Foam, ply edging and ply track bed. Against cost, three layers of foam and surrounding ply is nearly £50 a board.


With the decision to have the electrics on the back also came with the decision that the back scene panel would be built as part of the build not added after.

The Decision about the construction style was also affected by the back scene, the final decision was Egg Box construction but with foam Inserts. All foam construction was my favourite, but a quick estimate of the costs were £250 For Colliingbourne, £1000 for Ludgershall and about £500 for Weyhill (total £1,750 without the non scenic areas). Whereas PLY will be somewhere around £400.

This will be 6mm ply but with doubling or ply / Foam / Ply in some places for reinforcement.

Although I've said ply I'm also considering MDF it's roughly 14Kg a sheet against 11kg For Ply, it's easier to cut, but requires a face mask, It will require painting of all surfaces. But The Big one is it's £8.50 a sheet, whereas ply is £13.50. Bringing the cost For the scenic boards down to £250.




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Hi Q,

Sounds as if your dilemma is robust, yet lightweight construction versus cost. Do you actually need solid tops to every single board? Certainly heavily populated areas, including those boards to be taken for away-days will benefit from solidity, while for mainly scenic areas unlikely to be moved, a braced timber ladder frame, with lightweight scenery built off card formers may suit. Just the track bed needs a ply substructure. This is also particularly useful when building undulating landscapes or multi-levels and it's considerably cheaper than completely solid tops.

Anyway, just a thought. Good luck whichever way you go.

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I think I may not have explained properly what I was saying, the first bit about conventional  baseboards says, I hope, I don't want flat baseboards.The egg box construction I'm going for, will have its top edges of the verticals sculpted to the shape of the landscape.
Only the track bed will have a ply / MDF top. The rest will be skiinned with something thin and light, which might be glassfibre cloth as I have rolls of it and some experience from building my own boat. I'll be experimenting with the first one to see if it works.
And apologies to all, the computer at work where I typed that lot in, seems to put in lots of extra blank lines which I can't seem to get rid of there or here.  Tried on a third computer, the spaces have gone yipppeee!!!
Oh and sadly I don't think, I'll be using card or paper, you may have noticed I said I'll need to paint the MDF,  I live between the Norfolk Broads and the sea to say it's humid ( or as they say round here hoooomid) is very much an understatement. I've got an old dehumidifier in the shed, but that will only be run when we are present.



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Apologies Q, it must be all that white space filling my head. I've re-read your post a couple more times and you are indeed having undulating ground levels. Well done that man, the earth is indeed not that flat, so you'll be cutting your cloth to suit!

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I've tried to upload from a picture from my Android phone using Firefox, and get a not supported by browser error.

The same picture uploads to platform1mrc without issue, so must be down to the version of the forum software being used (1.15, we are on 1.172)

http://platform1mrc.com/view_post.php?post_id=6984

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It's not likely, Q.  It's been retro fitted so many times, I doubt if updates would work.

Besides, I think the issue is with the Gallery.  It's a very old style.  Mine's the same.

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Well I hope you all survived Katie, it blew a real hoolie here, out of the railway shed window I saw a set of step ladders lift off, and move about ten feet and they were in a sheltered area!!

The only problem we've had is that in loading up the shelves with  SWMBO's 2500 Arts and Crafts books, the extra weight has caused the shed  to settle a little, and it caused some stress fractures in the roof, which revealed themselves in the torrential rain that Katie gave  us, we had to do some rapid moving of books. When The rain stopped I went up found the cracks and slapped on lots of goo to seal then up. When we have a dry day we'll load up again and I'll go up and check it out.



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Q, Hopefully everything survived, we actually had a nice warm sunny day but then that's Scotland for you..

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Marty wrote: At least they didn't get into you layout wiring as they did to mine. They brought my 1991 layout to a complete halt and eventual scraping.



Looks a great setup you have there. Plenty of room to be creative in.



Were you a fibreglasser by trade or was the roof just easier to do that way.



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Luckily, so far the only damage we've found was to a set of Christmas lights being stored in there and the tub of rat poison. Otherwise just about the only things of value in there at the time, were the tools being used to build the shed.
 My other hobby being sailing and knowing several boat builders in the area I've been in and around  glassfibre for many years, including building my own 18ft sailing boat which was built in Saudi while I was out there 1996-2001, I could only get a non marine ply so the hull was built with that and then coated inside and out with glassfibre. ( there were several others doing the same thing). That boat is now undergoing some design changes or  will be continued with, once the outside temperature gets warm enough for glassfibre work (15C +).
The roof was glassfibred because we have got several small sheds with felt roofing, which needs renewing every few years, I really didn't want to be doing that with the Railway shed. If I were doing the roof again I'd still use glassfibre but use a heavier layup as I'm getting some cracking as the shed moves as we load it up, we put in 2500 Art and Craft books of SWMBO's over the last couple of weeks.  I've just finished the first stretch of Shelving for my railway Books which should start moving in next week. There are a lot!! I was a bit short of money at the time of the roof build, hence it has a thin layup. I'd also use larger sheets of Ply with less joins. The biggest problem has been the initial commercial part of the shed which seems to move more as it ages, come the summer I'm going to reinforce that part of the shed as it's not yet insulated and lined inside.
My Trade has mostly been that of a Radar Technician, however since coming back from Saudi I've had three jobs, Gas refinery technician (plant taken over and half the staff sacked), Maintenance technician for a chain of supermarkets (had enough of that grief) So now for almost ten years I've been back in Electronics as a Calibration Standards Technician, at this actual moment I'm measuring a 1Gohm resistor to an accuracy of 1 part in a million although our spec to the customer is for this is 18 parts in a  million. This takes about 20 minutes to settle and I can't move from my desk as it upsets the readings, so today I've just updated this thread...  Well times up time to enter the results in this computer and on to the next measurement... bye ..



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Hi Paul_I,
 Yes we survived it was very windy and torrential Rain as I was working in the railway shed during the worst of Storm Katie, which for us was 08:00 to 13:00) I saw a step ladder lying on the ground lift off and move about 10 feet. We are very exposed, as standing in the shed I can see the coast to the North and the South East of us (120 degrees). This is why I've had to join floor to layout to rafters to hold it all together!!!
I'm sure Scotland will be keeping it's rain for my next visit to Bo'ness to visit my parents and Sisters..



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Another wonderfull sunny day in Dundee, snow forecast for tomorrow, at least we got summer over an done with for this year.

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We had really nice weather on Sunday so I worked on the alleyway between the Railway shed and the Mobile home this is putting beams up bother vertically and horizontally, because the shed and mobile home are not aligned with each other each beam has to be cut to size.
During this a long discussion happened with me and SWMBO about the join between the two buildings and where to place it, it has now been decided [url=javascript:emoticon(':)', 'images/emoticons/icon_surprised.gif')]
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 to take the alleyway roof to the pitch of the Shed roof which will raise that side of the shed roof by 2 to 4 feet at the fiddle yard area giving more head room inside and allowing for more cupboards/shelves. Due to the roof than becoming less "disjointed" it will be all of one slopping angle there will be less joins and should give less problems (this being the commercial part of the shed.)



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A further couple of weekends work hasn't progressed the work on the shed much, the inside has more support framework finished and more shelving. The outside has more beams for the roof of the alley way finished. The distance from the mobile home to the shed roof is the problem, as I need about 10 degrees slope on the polycarbonate roof to keep the water out this means a quite complicated roof join at the shed end. I should be able to start moving my railway books into the shed this weekend!!
 SWMBO has agreed to a work bench running along the end of the mobile home in the alley way. This will vary between 1ft deep near the door  to 2ft 6 inches deep in the middle, but nearly 18ft long, so the Pillar drill, grinder wheels, drill sharpener and various other "dirty" tools will have a home. Luckily I have a spare door left over from the commercial shed and an old mobile home exterior door, so they will be fitted each end of the alley.
A cutting plan has been produced to make the baseboards for Collingbourne Station, I should get 3 baseboards from 2 sheets of ply / MDF. Roughly speaking each 4ft by 2ft base board will be built of an 18inch high back panel, a 3 inch high front panel, the sides and middle / intermediate supports will be 2ft 3inch by 9 inch high (before cutting to landscape)  panels. Track beds / platforms / roadways will be then glued on top of the frame. You may notice that the 2ft 3in side frames are longer than the 2ft baseboard size, this is to allow for the interlocking egg box construction and to protect the servos on the backboard. I think I'll have to dry fit the frames together, map the layout onto the edges of the sides and dividers then remove each one and cut to landscape. Then I should be able to just glue the basic egg box together.
To get some more interest into the station it will be at a slight angle to the backboard, this will also accommodate the fact it has a slight curve of about 3ft in 302ft of platform length, in 4mm that's  12mm / half inch in 1210mm / 3ft 11 & 1/2inches - ish. Collingbourne platform is genuinely 302ft long anyone would think someone designed it to go on a 4ft baseboard!!



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Right then, My other hobby other than SWMBO, is Sailing, here are some events at my sailing club that are of interest to the public, if you happen to be in the area.



These will slowing model railway work from this week end on, when I'm on a first aid course ready for these events. I'm on duty for all these this year.

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Horning Boat Show 2016, On Saturday 30th April 2016, Opening at 10.00 am closing at 5.00 pm it's free!!!! http://www.horningboatshow.co.uk/

Horning sailing club will be running "try a boat" Come and try sailing with an experienced club member in a 20ft+ keel boat for a cost of £5.

if you don't fancy that, come and have one of our cheap cups of coffee or tea and watch what's going on, while you have a break from wandering around the show.

I'll just be wandering around, doing a meet and greet role for this one.

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Horning Sailing Club will be running "The 3 RIVERS RACE", The 2016 race will be held on the weekend of 4th and 5th June, first start 11:00. This is one of the largest inland waterways passage races in Europe. Video of the start, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr9V2FHj9qU

In roughly 10 to 20 boat starts, at 5 minute intervals, up to 150 boats of 12ft to 40ft will sail the 50+ mile course round the Norfolk broads.

This involves going under the Potter Heigham and Acle bridges so the mast has to come down 4 times!! The record is 8 hours, the worst year only 14 boats finished. Video of the bridges, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duGEolotq40

The rivers are tidal, so at some points, particularly the bridges, the tidal speed can 3 or 4 miles an hour, when your max boat speed is only 6mph, choosing which way to go round the course is crucial.



The best viewing points are Horning Swan Green and the Horning Village green, at any of the PUBs enroute and at the Bridges.

The best I ever achieved was 13th My worst time 23 hours 57 minutes and 7 seconds, I have done it in around 10 hours but everyone was quick that year.



This year I'll be on a guard ship in Hickling broad, there are guard ships ( about ten) throughout the course, where the competitors have to report as they go past (so we don't lose anyone) there is normally a rescue boat associated with each guard ship as well.



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Horning Sailing Club Annual regatta, there is video on the internet of this back in 1908!!

But this is from 2015. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzaay1fRpss ( I'm the rescue boat driver in the big black hat)



This year it will be on 1st to the 5th of August 2016, actually we have a couple of club days before this but you won't be able to see that as there is nowhere to watch on the broad.

The main Regatta is on the river outside the club first race is at 09:30 the last at around 17:00 (depending on wind conditions). There are around 30 races a day. At some points there could be 100+ boats out on the river. Age range 8 to 108 , that's the helms and crew.... The boats can be older or younger!!



The best viewing points are the Swan Green and the Swan Pub. This is an open event so anyone with a sailing dinghy or keel boat of up to about 25ft can enter there are between 3 and 6 races per day you would qualify to enter. Sailing cruisers have a race at lunch time each day



I'll be on rescue boat this year as my sailing boat is at home being restored, when it's warm enough!

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The Q wrote:I looked at.
Conventional flat, solid wood beams or ply /foam/ply.  For Easy, Against the earth isn't flat.
L Girder, solid wood beams or ply /foam/ply. Against, With the rolling countryside I'd be putting in supports everywhere.

Ply, Egg box construction,  heavier than foam, Cost £15.

All Extruded Foam with Ply edging. Against, cost, three layers of foam and surrounding ply is nearly £50 a board ouch!

Extruded Foam, ply edging and ply track bed. Against cost, three layers of foam and surrounding ply is nearly £50 a board.





Baltic ply, 12mm for the frame, 3.5" or 3.75" high sides/ends, 12mm or 6mm for the top. Stringers on 15" centers with 1.5" diameter holes drilled for cables. You can lift an undecorated 4' x 2' with one finger. Bit more than regular ply, but a lot stronger and more stable (less warping). BB grade is fine.

If you have a lot of hills and vales I'd opt for 4' x 2' open frame modules, although there is no reason why you couldn't undersling the vales (use taller ends, say 9", on adjacent modules if you opt for this).

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I think you've missed a few comments hidden in my verbosity, I have chosen a form of Open frame construction (egg box).

I can't lower boards as they will be sat on fixed units with shelves / cupboards under, though that is not a major problem as it is only "rolling country side" the highest ground level above my "ground Zero" is only about 150mm. It just means a few places with "thick baseboards"

 Also although I'd love to use it, Baltic Pine ply is a bit more than MDF, about 3 times the price. Putting the price up just for boards alone, to at least £1200 for this form of construction, which is probably an underestimate for a 54ft by 16ft railway



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Well you may notice a Lack of updates thats because we had a very dry summer, I've spent many weekends outside digging /concreting and clearing the jungle in the mobile home / Railway shed area..





A few weeks ago I checked the electricity box which supplies the Mobile home and Model railway shed, the door fell off, a thorough inspection revealed it had rotted, I suppose the 36 years of a wooden box sitting in the rain / sun / ice, screwed to a telegraph post was too much for it. So I ordered a new fibreglass box.



Saturday went out in the drizzle looked north east, blue sky on the way, went into the railway shed prepared the new box. When the drizzle stopped check looking at the direction the weather was coming from, decided to go for it. It took about 4  hours to remove the remains of the old box and fit an new one with all it's bits and pieces. I would point out in one of my previous jobs, I had to change 415V unlimited current  3 Phase contactors live, I do know what I'm doing (very carefully).



 I added a RCD which the box previously didn't have, I also fixed the slightly burnt, loose connection hiding in the after Meter Fuse.





 After that We went out to search for the site supervisor, AKA the Cat, who went missing during the previous week, a 2 mile walk between our house and the previous owners  servants of said cat plus a couple of branch lines (roads and paths) . No trace of Cat





Sunday,
Tidied and prepared the inside of the shed for layout building!! sat down for a coffee, when I stood up, my back went click and that was it for the day, a slow painful stagger back to the house. So no walk round the other direction from the house hunting for the supervisor.







Monday,
I come home to an unhappy wife, our neighbour reported finding the cat wrapped in a childs cot duvet in their back driveway (which isn't used because their caravan is parked there).  We went and fetched her back home and buried her in the pet graveyard with the three dogs. We think she had been hit by a car... We would of found her ourselves, had I not hurt my back.





Tuesday,
Went and bought some Expanded foam sheet to try as a base for the exhibition layout, still planning to use egg box construction for the rest of the layout, I've spent the last few weeks, when waiting for equipment to do it's stuff at work, drawing up the Exhibition layout I've got it down to a 12 by 8  roundy on six boards the front three scenic'd.





Based on Collingbourne the passenger station itself will be accurate(works out to be just under 4ft long, very convenient), but the track both sides including the long sidings will be bent and shortend. The Passenger station I hope to drop into it's place in the home layout. the attachment is from



http://swindonsotherrailway.co.uk/ a very useful site



Nls ma of Collingbourne http://maps.nls.uk/view/101463464












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That lays upon the Alter,

The dearest and the best.


The love that never falters,

The love that pays the price.

The love that makes undaunted,

The Final Sacrifice.


And there's another country,

I've heard of long ago.

Most dear to them who love her,

Most great to them that Know.


We may not count her armies,

We may not see her King.

Her fortress is a faithfull heart,

Her pride is suffering.


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Her shining bounds increase.

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Well it's time for an update.
Most Sundays I have been sailing so construction work has only been Saturdays.

After a long conversation with SWMBO, it was decided the shed needed another extension!!!

A 10ft by 9 ft tin shed was bought and assembled on a breeze block base offset behind the current shed, taking the total length to 63ft. This has been lined with insulation, ply and a workbench and shelving are nearing finishing on one side. The other side will also benefit from the same in the future but for the moment it's to be used for storing timber and ply.
The work bench and shelving will also be used for storage for the moment.

A doorway had been cut through to the old shed and a corridor / back entrance way built between the two sheds. The roof of which is now covered in plastic till the weather gets warm enough to seal it up properly.

During this, two more rats broke in by eating through the floor, both commited sucide again, but at least one had the decency to die in a card box for easy removal...

The corridor and much of the shelving have been built from all sorts of offcuts of wood in a general attempt to reduce the stockpile before recommencing working on the railway part of the shed.


As clearance of the next section to be worked on has started, I spent a couple of hours measuring up for putting in the rest of the electrics. Another four general purpose Sockets in that end of the building, then supplies to specialist work bench sockets on the model railway bench and electronincs bench.

A chain of 8 flourescent light units to be put down the middle(the lights I have anyway) to give general lighting for that end of the shed.
The lighting and then the power supplies will be fitted next as it's pretty dark down that end.

Weather permitting I will also finsh sealing the underside of the shed from the outside world in order to keep the rodents out. Three sides are done now, More breeze blocks to be bought tonight, for that purpose.

Meantime the basics of the portable section of the layout have been started, for Collingbourne Station, which conveniently is 302 ft long or roughly 4ft in 4mm scale.
One extruded polystyrene board has been assembled, 100mm thick, 6 mm ply all round to protect the edges front and sides baseboard depth, the back to 14 inches to form the back scene.
The basic hill sides have been carved into / built up with expanded polystyrene and the base for the platforms built in. First coats of a polyfilla / pva mixture have been painted on.

No work to be carried out this weekend as its the National Dinghy Exhibition at Alexandra Palace which I'll attend on the Saturday. On Sunday it's normal points racing, and we need the points, with only 4 more weeks to go till the end of the season.



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A sculpted base board no less... real progress is being made. 
Good luck with the points racing.

This is my work in progress sailing toy!




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A sailing canoe! looks good, paddle steered or is there a rudder I can't see?

We see a lot of canoes on the Norfolk Broads, but mostly of the paddle variety, with one or two of the peddle variety. I've never seen a sailing version on the roads which is a suprise considering it is very much a sailing area..



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Paddle steered at the moment but a rudder is being designed and manufactured. I'm getting to grips with air-foil sections, balanced rudders and aluminium manufacturing.
The sail is from Solway Dory in the Lake District and has performed very well. I'm negotiating with the seamstress wife to make me a jib. That could be entertaining.

The olive wood boom and yard are getting brittle and are being replaced by 20mm aluminium tube this weekend. 

The whole thing fits nicely on top of the car and allows me to have Coot Club/Swallows and Amazons type adventures.

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Arthur Ransome gets everywhere,:lol:

I have the privilege of sailing where Coot club was set right in Horning, https://horning-sailing.club/ (brand new flashy website!!) sadly the web cams are not yet back up. so you can't see my boat moored across the river or down to Horning staithe mentioned in the book. http://www.yeomankinsman.org.uk/Horning/horning.shtm ( i'm in there somewhere..)

Sadly the hullabaloos are still with us, and it's a lot more crowded Now.
My own sailing boat is off the water for more modfications, Although I race a Yeoman belonging to someone else in the winter.


Also Sadly we have to pay Broads tax which they didn't back then, a sailing boat like Amazon would cost about £88 to tax and your Canoe without sail £32.50 or with sail £40  all per year ( 3rd party insurance required). I have also a motor boat like this...
  Which has just had its Broads tax go up about 15% to £380.:cry:

Must go only half an hour till I finish work, if you wonder why I can type this at work, I'm sat here measuring 1 GOhm resistors and if I move much more than my hands, the reading changes and they take 20 minutes to settle...)

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