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And even greater fun to get it to work with DCC. I have a Shinohara double cross-over, not DCC compatible, which I'm slowly working on converting to DCC operation, simple in theory but in practice probably easier to scratch-build.

Given the cost of the component turnouts used and the time involved it's probably just as cost-effective to get one that's DCC friendly and RTR. Unless you enjoy the challenge.

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Very bumpy, Sol.  :shock:

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MaxSouthOz wrote: Very bumpy, Sol.  :shock:
Well, you tend to get that with trackwork that's only partially secured and only been laid out temporarily for testing.

Nigel, I presume you're talking about the costs of your own components? To my knowledge, at least in the UK Peco track can be found for cheap.

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Max had a Shinohara scissors crossover - ask him him thoughts on it! ( BLOCK YOUR EARS FIRST)

Yes, with that many frogs in a short distance and clearances & wheels not always perfect, that does happen... bumping

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I've had extensive experience with double crossovers - including hand laying them.

The worst example is the Shinohara.  Somewhere I have a photo of two Shinohara which I cut up with tin snips after weeks of frustrating effort, trying to get them to work.

That's why the prototype avoid them like The Plague.

It won't matter if they're secured, or not.  The scale versions perform poorly.

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Very interesting track work, not something I'd be game to do!

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Max had a Shinohara scissors crossover - ask him him thoughts on it! ( BLOCK YOUR EARS FIRST)


Surely you mean Shinohorror! :mutley



I tried them in N gauge, at the time they were the only scissors and 3 way, thank Peco for their versions. Arnold and Roco do smaller 3 ways and slips Minitrix also do slips, but don't look as good as the Peco although being much smaller are very useful in fiddle yards.

I think I may have a spare scissors and a slip in the glory box, I have thought of cutting a slip into one side of a scissors, must investigate, would save a few inches maybe! Afterthought - bet the wiring would be a right PITA.

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Very interesting Sol.  I particularly like the 3 points and double slip.  I'm having to take another look at my station throat so may see how that would fit in.

The complex frog electrics could, apparently, be taken care of by a Hexfrog Juicer, of which I'm hoping to become a fan ....................  The lumpiness is another matter ......:roll::roll:

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Bring back the clockwork I say. Run over anything, even my track laying...

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MaxSouthOz wrote: I've had extensive experience with double crossovers - including hand laying them.

The worst example is the Shinohara.  Somewhere I have a photo of two Shinohara which I cut up with tin snips after weeks of frustrating effort, trying to get them to work.

That's why the prototype avoid them like The Plague.

It won't matter if they're secured, or not.  The scale versions perform poorly.
 
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I couldn't agree more. One look at it and another bit falls off. Got it cheap in a job lot (too cheap!), sorted most of the crazy stuff (rail joiners for pivots!, live tie-bar between the switch blades!!), it's more a learning exercise for controlling multiple frogs in complex crossings. There is a snowballs chance this gets anywhere near a layout. The later DCC friendly versions are marginally better. Unless you are really stuck for space it's probably better to stick with regular turnouts and avoid the complexity. Double slips probably fall into the same category from the comments voiced by various members.

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On further examination of your links Sol, the titles are maybe a bit misleading. :roll::roll:

That first clip claims to be 3 Peco points and a double slip.  There also appears to be some kind of shortened diamond in there too - unless he's made something special. :hmm

Ah, silly me !!  Igonre the above - there's a double scissor in there too ........................:oops::oops:

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote: MaxSouthOz wrote: Very bumpy, Sol.  :shock:
Well, you tend to get that with trackwork that's only partially secured and only been laid out temporarily for testing.

Nigel, I presume you're talking about the costs of your own components? To my knowledge, at least in the UK Peco track can be found for cheap.
Hi Brendan,

I was thinking of new turnouts, not well used ones. The cost using components (rail, copper-clad, cosmetic chairs, solder) after the investment in gauges is much less. Anybody who has converted/modified Peco turnouts has my admiration, it's not easy, as they are really not meant to be worked on or taken apart. I've tried it a few times, I now build my own.

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Dorsetmike wrote: Max had a Shinohara scissors crossover - ask him him thoughts on it! ( BLOCK YOUR EARS FIRST)


Surely you mean Shinohorror! :mutley



I tried them in N gauge, at the time they were the only scissors and 3 way, thank Peco for their versions. Arnold and Roco do smaller 3 ways and slips Minitrix also do slips, but don't look as good as the Peco although being much smaller are very useful in fiddle yards.

I think I may have a spare scissors and a slip in the glory box, I have thought of cutting a slip into one side of a scissors, must investigate, would save a few inches maybe! Afterthought - bet the wiring would be a right PITA.
 
Hi Ed,

Apt, but far too polite and not what fleetingly crossed my mind when I had a look at what was in the box. Shuggar lumps didn't come close. One of those "My goodness me" moments.

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Now here is some more model trackwork by a local South Australian modeller

 







Always seeking a challenge, the tracklaying was begun with difficult areas tackled first. The scissors situated in the middle of Penwith Station yard was made up using four Peco medium radius points and the short crossing. Careful trimming allowed for all the components to be superglued together producing a very unique piece pleasing to the eye.

 

To read all about the rest of the layout

http://thrumlington.blogspot.com.au/search?updated-min=2013-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2014-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=8

 

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Thursday, 20 June 2013





Porthminster Modules & Track

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That Gavin always was a show-off.  :lol:

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Yes, if I was 25% as good as he is in the modelling game, I would be happy ... it seems that whatever he does, is first class. An MMR if he joined the NMRA.


                 

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