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This topic follows on from a conversation with John Dew on his Granby thread, where we were full of admiration for Oxford Diecast's latest offerings in 1:76 scale road vehicles, but not the fact that like so many locos, they are driverless. I thought this would be an easy fix, particularly for open top vehicles, but was pondering how to break into a closed variant and so took one recent acquisition from its box this afternoon and took a peek.


 

The first thing one notices with a model of such a diminutive prototype as an Autin 7, is just how tiny the little blighter is at 4mm! Removing the screw on the underside enables much waggling and just a little wiggling to take place and the car is soon rendered down to the main sub-assemblies above. So far, nice and easy, but now the thinking cap is required. The interior module can only be pushed up from below, so logic dictates that the roof should be removable.




Unfortunately, the method of removal is not readily apparent, but close examination suggests a possible joint between the black roof section and blue bodywork at waist level. Gentle probing and testing the joints for integrity suggests a good build quality, so the temptation to overstress the little car was resisted, at least until more knowledge is obtained.




A further look at John's Lipton's tea delivery van gives a further clue, as it looks as if there's a construction joint between the roof and the green side panel. Fortunately, I have a similar example in another colour-way and will unpack it tomorrow and delve further into the issue. A theory is forming regarding the saloon, but all will have to wait for further investigation and probable surgery!

More as it happens.

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On your first pic there appears to be a burred over rivet in front of the spare wheel. Try drilling that out and you might find that the top of the body is then removable, which will possibly allow the inside section to be removed with a bit of jiggling. A drop of loctite to replace the rivet on reassembly or a countersunk screw should put it all in place again afterwards. You might find that you will have to perform major surgery on the driver to fit it in (like amputating both legs and the lower part of the torso).



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I did something Similar on My kingsmead MK1, something I always find spoils some railways is a street full of empty cars and buses, not noticeable at the 3 or 5 foot rule, but when it comes to some close up photos it can really be stands out,
http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=10669&forum_id=21&page=1#p191522



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I concur with Bittern, it looks like it's held together by a blasted rivet. That's just lovely.

Empty automobiles is something that bugs me too, especially since my eyesight is such that I can make it out from a three-foot distance. It's a jarring gap in the appearance, and if Oxford Diecast has made it as much of a bother to add people as it appears then I guess I won't be importing any. Not worth it with that added hassle.



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Hi again and to Bittern and Zelda, well yes and no! Roof removal is by way of turning the tub upside down and applying gentle downward pressure on the exposed edges of the glazing with a suitable small tool. This will release the interior module, which is separated by drilling out the said plastic lug to reveal the empty cabin.




Next is the selection of a driver and other passengers, baggage, etc as may be desired, so naturally I started with a 4mm railway figure:




Unfortunately, Mr Creosote has eaten all the pies, fortunately stopping short at a wafer thin mint, so he caught the bus, while I delved into the spares box to discover a box of Fleischmann HO seated figures and selected the thinnest one in a reasonable driving pose.




I'll need to remove her legs to get her seated in the front and may include a child in the rear with some shopping. The reassembly  process should follow the above, just in reverse, following some painting. As Mick (Bittern) said, a screw will hold the interior module together. I'll post a completed photo in due course, as I'm pretty much occupied for a couple of days.

I'll also tackle the van soon and have some white metal car and lorry kits to build as well.

Bill :)

 



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Ah ha, the original back seat driver :mutley



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Ed wrote: Ah ha, the original back seat driver :mutley

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:mutley:mutley    Nice one Ed


You definitely dont let the grass grow under your feet Bill..........thank you so much for the how to......not withstanding the 3' rule I guess I will have to give it a go in the more glaring examples.......but clearly I will need to get some HO figures first. I wonder how Oxford Models compare scalewise with your other models I am beginning to think that maybe they are a tad undersize.....or is it just that the interior dimensions are tight?

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Hi John,

I'm just happy if my short delve helps more populated vehicles appear. It's all pretty simple stuff, although I'll use my illuminated magnifier when painting small detail in future. 

I'll get some of my earlier kit builds out when I find a little time and see how they all size up against one another. The prototype Austin 7 really is a tiny work of art though. I don't fit and anyone over 6'0'' tall will struggle, but then, vintage cars were generally built to suit the population, which was much shorter and thinner all those generations ago!

Good luck if you have a go. Detail always makes a difference!

Bill :)

  

 



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John Dew wrote:
or is it just that the interior dimensions are tight?
I suspect it's this. HO people often have to be trimmed and filed in places (and even amputed sometimes) to fit HO seating, especially if it has armrests. And automobiles tend to end up with shallower-than-scale footwells.
Of course, even if Mr. Creosote there did fit, he shouldn't be in the driver's seat with his hands on his pockets!
Good to know it's not as much of a pain as it seemed.



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Ed wrote: Ah ha, the original back seat driver :mutley



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Nice one indeed Ed and I apologise for not saying so sooner. TBH, I only realised the fuller impact of your comment when I saw the photo again of Helga sat in the back!

Anyways, I stole just a little time today to paint and fettle the interior to get Helga at the controls.




I took the dashboard off and folded the sides down to aide painting and insertion. I gave the inside of the roof a coat of white in the hope to maximise reflection of any available light and I'll put everything back together again, hopefully tomorrow.

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:  
Of course, even if Mr. Creosote there did fit, he shouldn't be in the driver's seat with his hands on his pockets!
Good to know it's not as much of a pain as it seemed.


Hi Brendan,

Mr C has to keep his hands in his pockets so he isn't temped to eat anymore pies and explode. Waffer thin mints are notorious for making this happen and is well known in certain circles!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXH_12QWWg8

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Now this is how they should be sold, but there again, some cars would be posed parked up and we'd have to figure how to get the occupants out!




Anyway, after a little jiggling and wiggling, Helga touches up her lip rouge and is off for a rendezvous with a man from the motor trade. Whatever will the blonde bombshell get up to next?

Bye for now,

Bill :)

 



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She looks proud as Punch Bill - well done indeed Sir. :cheers:cheers



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I wondered how the "experts" do it so I wrote to Oxford and asked them. No response as yet so Bill you are way ahead of them.
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Perhaps she should have parked up to do her lipstick, not do it while she was driving :mutley



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It would be nice if some of the diecast makers also sold some of their models in kit form so you could detail them as you want. Something like the old Triang CKD loco and coach kits.



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I have just sent an email to Oxford Diecast to see if there is a chance of getting some of their models as kits. I will let you know of the response in due course.



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Excellent piece of work Bill......it makes a huge difference and using the HO figure doesnt look at all out of scale

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Given how much people vary in size, HO figures generally don't look out of scale with OO stuff and vice versa. The difference only really becomes noticeable in the case of things like putting an HO figure without a raised molded base into the cab of an OO loco.



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Thanks everyone for your comments. You do make me smile :oops:  I've just got to my hotel in Hampshire, UK and after my meetings tomorrow, I'll pop along to Ace Models in Eastleigh for my periodic fix of 'railway model shop' and may even pick up some more Oxford Diecasts. Considering their price, they're as cheap as a kit and are already painted. I imagine if they sold them as kits as well, the price may be different, but no cheaper, as they would have to interrupt their existing production process and invest in new packaging and art work, so we all know where that would lead. They are a fraction of the price of a white metal and even some plastic kits and their range is still growing steadily. Now is probably a good time to buy and it's often worth looking on Ehattons occasionally, as they seem to promote some models under their 'bargain' heading, or even under 'Pre-owned'.

http://www.ehattons.com/stocklist/1000488/1000669/Oxford_Diecast_Commercial_vehicles/Bargain_List.aspx

I'll also be on the lookout for some more HO layabouts (small seated persons), but must resist all other railway temptations, as I'll be picking up some new stock delivered to our friend's house, where I'll be staying for a couple more nights. I reckon my pannier count may soon be approaching that of Mr Dew!

See y'all soon,

Bill :)


Edit: Crumbs! The above sounds rather like a party political broadcast for Oxfords. Sorry for that, but I'm just a pleased customer and I also really like 4mm scale vehicles!



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