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Even though the building work (new roof) isn't complete yet I thought I would post the proposed track plan for my new layout and open it up for comments/suggestions.The new loft area will be 20m x 7m and I have negotiated 10m x 7m as the main layout area with a 6m x 2m extension to form the northern fiddle yard and access way. The main layout is a basic E shape with a descending track from the right bottom going back down the lower E prong and under the centre to form the southern fiddle yard. The basic idea is that trains heading south return from the south etc.

The layout will probably utilise Digitrax hardware and Traincontroller software. All point will be Peco live frog on the main layout and Hornby insulfrog in the fiddle yards (just because I already have them). Points will be controlled via DCC Concepts Cobalt IP motors.

Been out here in Spain for over a year now and itching to get started on the new layout - just need to get the builder moving!

< plan removed - revised plan later on >

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Hi Dave

An interesting combination of Digitrax and Railroad & Co.

Is there any reason for that?

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Hi Dave.

Great looking plan :thumbs, but just wondering what radius the curves are, especially the reversing loop at the bottom of the diagram quest:


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Having done a reasonable amount of research on the web and then tried Digitrax Chief and Traincontroller for real whilst working on layouts for the Wonderful World of Trains and Planes in Birmingham I think it is the way to go. If you have any alternative suggestions I'd love to know as it isn't a particulaly cheap route once you get all the track detection in etc.

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I am hoping to make the minium radius the equivalent of Hornby radius 4 although most will be bigger. The loop to come back the lower fiddle yard will, I think, end up with the inner track being the equivalent of radius 4. I could expand that end of the E prong to open it up a bit. I am planning to then run maximum gradients of 1 in 80 on the main line and 1 in 60 on the branch which goes through Tinkers End as it will only have short trains and DMUs.

Thanks for the comments.

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Ok, quick update. New roof now complete just waiting for town hall to come and approve it. Once that is done I can then get the walls plastered and start the project proper. Given builders lead times and such I guess I am going to be lucky to have proper access before the autumn.

Here is a copy of the revised track layout plan. Note it doesn't show the northern fiddle yard which is on a lower level. The blue dots represent train detection sections.



On the topic of baseboards. Here in Spain timber is very expensive so I was thinking of using the C section steel chanel you can buy for stud walls and fitting an upright section inside a horizontal section to form a box section. I can then make 70mm x 70mm x 3000mm beams for around €6. I was planning to use this for legs and horizontal supports and overlay with a 15mm top of OSB 3 board. Not seen anyone do this on the forums - can anyone think of a reason this shouldn't be OK?

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I've not seen this done before, I have seen metal frame work[size= on an exhibition layout using 20mm box section tube and standard plastic plug together joints. That was successful.][size=You don't say how far apart your support legs would be, I'd be tempted to  put at least one in the middle of each beam as those channels are designed to stand vertically.][size= I'm assuming that OSB 3 is the cheapest sheet material there, and I know it's very hard, so I assume you are going for flat earth baseboards for ease of manufacture, as egg box frame work would be extremely hard work. How are you going to build up the scenery from the flat earth?][size=Osb3 being very hard you will have to drill pilot holes for track pins, lighting wires etc you'll need a good stock of small drill bits!!!][size=
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 a very interesting set-up, plenty off opperational work there,
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Be interested to see how this baseboard develops!

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Legs will be every 1000mm. Baseboard will be basically flat with the exception of a couple of sections where there will be rivers and bridges. In these areas the baseboards will be set approx 100mm lower and built up with polystyrene and plaster as per the rest of the layout.

My plan is to simply stick the track down on cork with a Copydex type glue without the use of track pins. I have been told as this is more of a rubber type glue it doesn't negate the sound deadening properties of the cork quite so much.



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I've done something similar using aluminium and steel, Dave.

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=14066&forum_id=21

It sounds like your idea should work OK.

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Thought I would post a quick update. My builder has at last finished the new upstairs but as it is currently at least 30 deg C up there due to the weather here in Spain, progress isn't quick. I have decided on building all the support frames from steel (the 70mm C section you get for stud walling) with OSB 3 tops. So here are a couple of pics of progress so far. I am concentrating on building all the steel work first - boards are just layed on top. There are inclines tight to both left and right hand walls to enable trains to descend/ascend to/from the main fiddle yard under the centre section. Hopefully I will have steel work completed by the end of September and all will become a little clearer.




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Hi. Due to a major problem with a reaction to antibiotics progress is going to be somewhat slower than anticipated until at least Christmas.

However I would welcome some advice if anyone can help on a potential track issue. All the layout was going to be code 100 as I had loads from a previous layout and new stock that I have built up before moving to Spain. Part of the layout is 4 tracks wide and I was planning to use peco crossings etc to get the left most track across the others so SL-E88 right hand to SL-94 crossing to SL-94 crossing to SL-90 double slip but I have read various reports that suggest the SL-94 crossing gives problems with stalling. The layout will be DCC/computer controlled with all points on the scenic section controlled by DCC Concepts Cobalt digital point motors including frog polarity.

One option I thought of was :

SL-E90 to SL-90 to SL-90 to SL90 i.e multiple double slips, although that means 4 more point motors and I am not sure if an SL-90 is any better than the SL-94.

or possibly change the points only to code 83

Code 83 SL-E8361 left turn to SL-U8363 unifrog double slip (3 of when available) although this would give me more work to ensure they are correctly lined up height wise.

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Hi all, a happy New Year.

I just thought I would post an update to my ongoing project. As you may have seen early in the section, it is a rather large layout especially given everything is being done by me alone. I managed to complete all the steel work supports and cut all the baseboard timber by the end of the year and layed my first piece of track on New Years day - progress. Anyway, here is a few photos showing progress to date.


This is looking at the southern fiddle yard which leads on to the east coast mainlne. There is a line to the extreme left which goes down to/comes up from the northern fiddle yard. Although it will not get used much it is allow trains coming from the north (typically full coal trains) to sneak back to the northern fiddle yard without going back through all the scenic sections.


One of the main stations will be on the left. The trains will sweep round the bottom section and come up the middle section. You will also see that the northern fiddle yard is located under the centre section.


This is the centre section again. The nearest edge will be about 50cm wide so trains will go up to and under the control station before going back down the other side. The nearer side will be just countryside whilst the further section witll contain a gravel pit, factories and an engine shed with turntable.


A better shot of the control station which will have a work top below which is the main loop for the east coast mainline and below this will be the run round for the northern fiddle yard.


Ok last pic for now. The centre section is on the right. On the left is the northen section. The cut out allows for a river with 3 bridges over for the tains. At the far end the trains go round and down an incline on the far left up against the wall which takes them to/from the northen fiddle yard located under the centre section. As I have said the idea is that most trains heading north will return from the north.

I have a shortage of various bits at the moment which are on order back in the UK for collection when we are over in March. Although many general things are available here in Spain there are certain things which must be brought in. Unfortunatey, living out in the countryside, using the postal system is a bit hit and miss.

Any comments, suggestions or just questions gratefully received.

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Coming on a treat Dave, especially as your doing it all by yourself  :thumbs

Don't suppose your looking forward to ballasting all that track :lol:


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I think the ballasting is going to be a bit of a long process but it will be nice to get to the stage when I can actually run a loco. With hundreds of yards of track and over 90 points to wire in for DCC control using TrainController I think it may be a while before I get to running trains and ballasting. My next goal is to have both the left and right lines that run up and down to the northern fiddle yard completed and tested before Easter. That will mean buying the Digitrax controller and two boosters along with TrainController software which is going to blow this years railway budget I think.

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Hi Dave
What a fantastic railway room.......I am very impressed.

As a veteran RR&Co addict I will be following your progress with great interest.

You mentioned in an earlier post that you will be using  insulfrog points in the fiddle yards. I used some in Granby when I first started for similar reasons to you....I had them from an earlier layout. It was a false economy, I have been obliged to steadily root them out and replace them. They were far too susceptible to stalling and that can be a right pain with TC particularly in areas with difficult access. 

TC is a big investment but you do get some huge dividends.......I couldn't imagine operating my layout, which is much smaller than yours, without it

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Wow - that's a fantastic space you have there Dave.  You should let it out as a clubroom. :roll: :roll:  Is the blue board styrofoam or flooring underlay ?

Following with great interest. :cheers

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Thanks for the replies. I would love to start swapping out the insulfrog points but with almost weekly packages arriving in Spain the other half may is already asking questions and changing 45+ points may not be a good move at this stage. I have a few extra Peco electrofrog points so will use those where I can in the short term. The blue foam is what normally is used under laminate flooring. I had a pack left over and decided to use it in the non-scenic areas. I have a whole stack of cork for use on the main areas of the layout.

I have decided to crack on with fiddle yards and non-scenic access ramps to start with mainly so I can test the inclines. All up lines will have DCC Concepts Powerbase fitted just in case it's needed - no doubt it will not be required but it wouldn't be nice having to retro fit it.

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Here are a few photos of progress on my layout. I decided to lay the track in the hidden fiddle yards first. Every single piece of track, no matter how small, has a dropper cable soldered to it.

The first photo shows the southern fiddle yard which leads on to the scenic section directly.



This next photo shows the two halves of the northern fiddle yard. The track wiring above board is complete and checked. Once I have completed the points and tested everything the two halves will be moved under the central scenic section on which they currently sit.



The final photo shows the slope which allows trains to descend to the northern fiddle yard and climb back to the scenic section. All up inclines have DCC Concepts Powerbase plates installed. I have actual run one of my Deltics up and down this section to check all is OK.



It's taken a lot of time to do all the droppers and fit the track but at least I can move on to the scenic section soon. Travelling back to the UK next week to pick up much needed supplies including the main Digitrax controller and boosters along with the first batch of train detection hardware - trying the Digikeijs detectors.

Looking forward to lots of testing once I get back and then the difficult move of the northern fiddle yards.

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That's looking very impressive Dave and I'm partularly green when I see what space you have to work in.

A question on your metal framework - are the joints pop riveted ?  That "tin walling" stuff is great in straight lines but I see you've also used it for triangulating your frames and wonder how you made all the angled joints............. :hmm

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Hi. Nearly all the metal framing is simply pop riveted together although there are a few places where I have chosen to use nut and bolt fixing (I have a couple of sections that may need to be removed at a later date should I have problems on the lower fiddle yard).

The structure seems very stable with the additional cross-bracing pop riveted in. I don't trust it to take my weight when accessing areas near the wall - it would probably be ok but.....

I have made four adjustable props about 200mm long which bolt into the top of my Workmate and then screw up to the underside of the board. That's one "tool". On the side walls I purposely left a ledge about 100mm deep above the scenic side boards, so I have also made a frame which sits on top of some 3 step access steps and bridges across to the ledge. Covered in padding it is an easy way to reach stuff and will become invaluble once I get major scenics in place.

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Wow, that's one heck of a track plan! :D

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Well just a short update. Been a couple of months or so and work has been progressing. Both fiddle yards now have track laid with droppers soldered to every piece if track no matter how small. The main fiddle yard shown which will be under the central scenic section is where I have been doing most of the work. All points are now wired up and powered by Gaugemaster PM20 point motors controller by DDC Concepts ADS8FX controllers. Whilst back in the UK I picked up my Digitrax Evolution controller along with 2 boosters. I also collected some of the Digikeijs DR4088 feedback units I will be using although I wanted to test them before buying the rest. The sections are now about 80% wired up and I should be able to start testing the fiddle yard thoroughly within a couple of weeks before putting back the boards for the scenic section above. Anyway a pic.



And finally can I ask for some advice. At the end where the entry and exit is to the fiddle yard I have a crossover. Can anyone suggest how I might split this into sections for train detection to avoid collisions.


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Hi Dave
I continue to be amazed whenever you post an update. Quite apart from the sheer size you make such rapid progress.

Regarding the xover. I would have each of the four approaches detected and set up in TC as blocks ( have you progressed with RR&Co at all?) ........it doesnt matter that they may be fairly short......with TC you can control exit and entry to either end of a block.

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Ps You mentioned way back that you would be installing a turntable.......have you decided on the make?

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Thanks for the advice John. I haven't bought TrainController yet but have been playing around with it in Demo mode. Didn't think there was any rush to buy it until I am a bit closer to actually running trains. I have used it before on some layouts I helped build at an ill fated visitor attraction in the UK before I moved to Spain.

I also haven't chosen a turntable. I have to see what is available and really if it will fit in the position I have planned as the lower central fiddle yard doesn't give much room vertically. My main thrust is to get both fiddle yards in and tested and then I can start on the track and points around the scenic section.

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Glad to be of help.
I wasnt sure how familiar you were with TC. As you know it has quite a steep learning curve. If you have used it before, i agree there is no compelling reason to purchase until you are nearly ready to run trains.

I mentioned turntables because I have just gritted my teeth and replaced a quite expensive Heljan with a rather more expensive Fleischmann. In theory you can run non supported turntables (Heljan) with TC but in reality I found there was too much conflict, coupled with Heljan's occasional memory loss. Fleischmann is fully supported by TC and so far I am very impressed

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Well what progress this week. Got the last of the droppers in the main fiddle yard hooked up and commenced testing. Problems so far:

1) My Deltic test engine refuses to reverse over 1 of the points without derailing - as eveything goes one way round the yard it shouldn't be a problem, but will investigate and fix before hiding under scenic layer.
2) One track dection area not being picked up - found to be a fault on one port of the detection board so just switched ports.
3) 3 sections showing as occupied all the time. These are the main loop line and are by far the longest. Can't see any fault in the wiring and it is suspicious it is all the same loop. They are by far the longest so answer may be to make more sections. Sent a support message to Digikeijs to see if they can shed any light on it.
4) One point motor not being activated - as there was a spare section on the DCC Concepts ADS8FX I tried that and it works so I suspect a failed circuit.  As there were two spare circuits on the board anyway that's sorted.

And to add to the joy Hatton's suddenly emailed me to say the point motors (PM20s) for the other fiddle yard are being shipped so by the time I have sorted the problems on the main yard I should have the bits to continue on the smaller yard. That does mean getting to grips with boosters etc but how difficult can that be.....(famous last words)...

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Hi Dave

Just caught up with Tinkers End - thats an impressive size layout you have there and you are making good progress with it.
May I suggest (from my experience) that you invest some time in working out why the Deltic is derailing even if there is no current plan to run trains in the direction that is causing it to derail. Sods or Murphies law is bound to apply at some time in the future ...

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Thanks for the advice and comments gdaysydney.

As it happens I haven't had a response from Digikeijs yet but decided to split one of the long sections that was showing occupied all the time. So now instead of one long 5 mtr detection zone it is two and guess what, it works perfectly. So this morning I split the other two sections, one of which meant taking up the track which leads away from the point causing the derailment. Having carefully refit everything I was suprised to find the deltic is now quite happy reversing over the point. So the fiddle yard is now complete with all section detecting occupancy as they should.

The down side is that it would appear that the Digikeijs DR4088 detection units don't like long sections so I will have to install more boards than I was planning, 7 in the centre section, 4 on the left and 3 on the right sections. This will also mean modifying the ramps I have already installed to brek them up into 4 rather 2 sections on each.


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I do like a happy ending......glad you got it sorted.
You will probably be glad you have those additional blocks when you start setting up your schedules

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Hi Dave,

Pleased to hear you found and solved the problem.
As John has mentioned in his posts extra block detectors are not a problem and can be better once you start running trains especially if you have short trains running as well as long ones.
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Good progress this week. The last of the wiring associated with the central fiddle yard has been installed which just leaves one point motor on the exit that needs to be fitted. Also temporarily connected the ramp and test loop on the right hand section using a DB210 Opto power booster. On power up all appeared OK until I connected it to the main controller at which point everything went dead. Took it all apart, start from scratch following the instructions, still no joy. Got out the other DB210 which I had bought for the other side and that worked perfectly so that's one unit on its way back to Digitrains for replacement. Following on from that, got a Deltic and eight coaches (it will only have seven according to the plan) going round the main fiddle yard up and round the right hand temporary section and back to the fiddle yard.

Next job is to complete the other fiddle yard on the left hand side and check that access ramp. Once I have both ramps operational it will be time to get out all the locos and rolling stock and do a final check to make sure everything can get up and down both ramps. As both up tracks have DCC Concepts Powerbase installed I should hopefully just need to add magnets to any problematic locos - here's hoping.

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Hi folks. Can't believe it is the 10th of June since my last update on progress. I'll get an update ready in the next few days.

In the meantime can anyone give me some advice about best practice. I am currently laying the track for the northern station layout as I have shown below.



So if I have a goods train coming from the right I guess it would normally take the central up through line to avoid running next to platforms? If that is the case then I will need to add the two extra crossovers to enable the goods train to get on to the up slow or from the down slow. The alternative is that goods trains need to pass by a platform and the central through lines are only used for express passenger traffic. Can someone suggest which would be like the real world (of 1962). Thanks in advance.

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Hi all. Been planning to post an update for a week or so now and finally got round to taking a few pics. Looking at the last update which was 6 weeks ago it doesn't look like have been doing much but it is amazing how much time it all takes. Anyway not much progress on the southern fiddle yard (1st pic) except started to cover it in. This will eventually become the airforce base that I have relocated from elsewhere.



Next is the scenic section back up the centre. Track is laid but droppers aren't connected back to power yet. This section will just be trees and countryside.



The next section is going back down the other side of the centre section. Much of the basic track laying is in but not the goods yard etc. My plan is to get the basic circuit of track in and then mix doing other areas with ballasting etc.



And finally is the right most section which has had the most work. Just a couple of bits of track to sort out on this section. I decided to put in temporary bridges for now rather than spend a load of time with the final bridges. Another couple of weeks should see the basic track laying and wiring to the train detection circuits completed although it's rather hot up in the train room - over 30 deg nearly all day now.



The track at the far end is set out for one of my mainline stations.

Hope it's of interest.

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Keep at it that man, good steady progress. I am quite jealous of your space but I think i’d be contracting out the ballasting! Mind you, done in manageable sections I find it strangely therapeutic :cool:

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The size of this layout would do some clubs justice !  Marty I'm sure Dave would be happy to 'sub contract' some balasting to you in return for supplying some Vino delighto. . But you would probably have to arange your own travel and accomodation   :mutley
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Well accomodation wouldn't be a problem but travelling expenses might. August is going to be a challenging month for keeping up progress. Just heard this morning that there is a potential for this weekend to see the highest temperatures ever recorded here in Spain. Now how much gap did I leave between track sections to allow for expansion!

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Well, I have family near Almeria so a ballasting party isn’t too long a bow to draw if another Europe visit happens.

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Well that's another month gone by. Where does all the time go. Milestone day today as I have finished laying all the track with the exception of the turntable area (which will be a long time coming given the cost of the turntable).  So here as some pics.

1. Northern end with one of the two main stations (Newtham). A Little over half way down is a lowered section to allow for a river. There are also links climbing to the branch line with Tinkers End station in the far right hand corner under the water tank.



2. Centre section 1 which will be the main goods area with factories, quarry and closest too, the turntable and steam shed.



3. Centre section 2 will simply be some small hills, trees and countryside. At the far end you will see another lowered section for another river crossing.



4. Southern end with the other main station (Granark). The branch line also comes back in at this point. There is also another small station bottom centre (Soar Point) just to add some extra running options. There is just a single line exiting off shot in to the southern fiddle yard.



Well that's about it for now. All the track has droppers soldered to it but these all need connecting underneath the baseboards before I can actually run trains all the way round. Still hopefull for Christmas but there is an awfull lot of soldering to be done.

Hope this is of interest.

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That is indeed a mega milestone Dave......not the end of the journey by any means , but pretty close to the halfway point. You must be very pleased.
Its too late for me but I do wish I had adopted your approach of laying all the track ( and I assume running trains? ) before attempting any scenery......far more practical than my modular approach.

A minor point and hardly an issue with the size of your layout.......but have you given any thought to where you will locate your TC profiling track? You need three level blocks, no intervening turnouts or curves. The start and finish blocks should be 2-3 feet long and the centre profiling block 6’ long. The set up should be easily accessible and ideally non scenic so you can have permanent distance markers for the brake compensation tests. You may know this already in which case my apologies

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Thanks John. I had thought about it early on and then forgot about it when splitting things in to blocks. What I am now thinking of doing is creating a dedicated additional level under the existing layout. I can then make the middle portion any length I want. If I wait until I have soldered up all the droppers and fitted them into the Digikeijs track detection boards I can see which area has room to feed the cables in. I have loads of flexi track left over so I can use some of that. Don't see any point in taking it back to the UK to sell it on ebay anyway. Guess each end should be long enough to accomodate the blue pullman I have.

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I have mine set up as a dedicated track below the layout.....works really well. The start block can be switched to a programming track which is handy for my Lenz set up.
The start and end blocks need to be able to accommodate not just the longest loco/train but also have enough space for them to reach whatever speed is being tested/profiled.

I have 2’ start and end blocks ....the longest loco is 11”. Its a good job that I have padded the ends with foam because the locos drive quite hard into the ends with the last 6 speed steps!

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What an amazing layout and railway room I wish I had both ha ha

Really looking forward to watching this progress

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Time for another update on progress. Not really worth posting any pictures this month as all the effort has been under the baseboards rather than anything visible. Firstly decided to slightly change my wiring colours as I had blue for one half of the DCC circuit but wasn't distinguising between normal DCC and wiring from the track to the detection boards. I therefore decided to change the main bus wires from blue to brown as it was the least amount of work.

Other than that, the main thrust has been on track detection cables. The left section is now about 50% complete although no points wired yet. The centre section already had all the lower fiddle yard done and tested so only a small amount more done. The right section is about 90% complete, it would have been 100% but someone got his cables crossed and wired across track detection sections. Just found it so a bit of rework to do tomorrow. Also fitted the first four of the DCC Concepts points in the scenic area in this section.

And finally - bought the full Traincontroller Gold licence so I can test things as I go along. Profiled my first loco (Deltic Pinza) which seemed to go OK although it does take an awfll long time to slow down. Once I get a couple more motors installed for one of the stations I should be able to start adding brake and stop markers and see how that all works out.

Oh, I also joined a small model railway club over here in Spain a couple of months ago and last month made, what might turn out to be, a rash offer to host a visit in November. Nothing like a bit of pressure to encourage more effort.

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Did the Deltic stop correctly when doing the brake compensation test?
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A lovely layout in the making Dave that will keep you busy for many years

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Hi.

John, in answer to your question the Deltic didn't stop in the brake compensation test. I have since brought out a different loco (another Deltic but this time the Hornby variant) and although it's a poor runner by comparison it does stop where it should. The Bachmann Deltic is Pinza with sound switched off for profiling but quite different. I have tried using the demo version of Trainprogrammer to read the CV values and 3 and 4 both appeared to be set at zero. Any suggestions as to what else to look for much appreciated.

I have Digitrax Evo controller (programming track) and also a Sprog III available. What would people recommend as a good CV reader/programmer I can use either controller and buy Trainprogrammer or use JMRI DecoderPro?


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DaveH_Murcia wrote: Hi.

John, in answer to your question the Deltic didn't stop in the brake compensation test.


Can you expand on that please Dave?  The loco should have left the start block at the specified distance and then progressively slowed in the profile block until it stopped at, or at least within 6"-8" of your specified distance.

Did it just continue to the end of the profile block and stop in the finish block?

Could I suggest trying again using a low speed say 15mph and a short distance say 12" then let us know what happens?  The profile screen should look similar to this



Sorry....I forgot to set the length to 12" but hopefully this helps. The important thing is to make sure the centre block is the profile block and the CI is off (thinking about yours may have been on ie part of the loco was over the start block)


I cant help with a CV programmer I am afraid. I have Train Programmer but I have never been able to get it to work with Lenz. I just read the CVs I need off the programming track. I only adjust 2,3,4,5 and 6  I make whatever adjustments using POM. I record these CV settings in the comments tab of each engines profile.

Most TC users seem to set CV 3 and 4 at Zero or 1 but they also adjust the TC momentum settings in the Profile speed tab




These are fairly typical settings .....its not an exact science just set the sliders for low acceleration and high deceleration. TC runs everything from the speed profile.

Its a good idea to research correct power settings. I cant help with Deltics etc :cry: but I have a spread sheet for LMS and GWR (and BR) power ratings by class that are fairly accurate.

To give an idea of range a 14xx 0-4-2 (BR rating 1P) is 370 kW whereas a 4-6-0 7P is 1000kW

TC takes all this into account plus the weight of the train. The difference in sprightliness between a light engine and hauling 8 loaded coaches is quite spectacular.

Hope this helps and isnt too long

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Thanks John will come to that there Deltic in a bit. Been very busy trying to get a circuit up and running for when the model club I have joined, down on the coast here in Spain, pay a visit on Thursday. With some twisted wires for the final connections using temporary wire (as I am waiting for a delivery of the right stuff). So thats 50 non-scenic points with solenoid point motors (46 complete) and 52 scenic points with DCC Concepts Cobalt IP Digital point motors (44 complete) and around 170 track detection section (154 complete) - no wonder I feel tired.

Anyway that there Deltic has been round the main line loop a few times, not totally without incident, but enough to let me finally have a play with the Traincontroller software. So far the known issues to be resolved are:

- One of the two Digitrax boosters insists on beeping 4 times at power up and power down
- One of the non-scenic point motors appears to want to switch both ways every time a train wants to use it
- There is a strange click at the far end of the layout at power on but I can't be in two places at once
- Two of the Cobalt point motors insist on centering at power on - sending 198 to them doesn't cure it
- There is an issue with power loss and shorting over one of the SL94 crossings

As far as the Deltic goes, my profiling blocks, lets call them A, B and C, are all around 2 metres long. So the loco starts in A, is timed over B and stops in C. So far so good, only as the speed increases the distance before the loco stops once reaching C and reversing to A gets longer and longer until towards the end of the sequence it is taking more than 2 metres to stop. I have got to be doing something wrong but really haven't had the time to spend investigating.

So thanks for the response John. I will get back with a more detailed response when I have had another play. I need to check what the loco's CV settings are as well.

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Yet again you have been busy!

When profiling at higher speed steps the loco does take a while to stop. My run off block and start block are about 2' long and each have a padded buffer at the end. Even so from about speed step 20 on I tend to slow the loco with my hand just before it reaches the buffer to prevent it hitting the buffer with too much velocity. I could see that happening even with a 6' run off block

Good luck with your visit

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Thanks again John. I have followed yout FAQ section on Traincontroller and also got DecoderPro installed and hooked up using the programming track output from the Digitrax system. So with a few CV changes on the Deltic and re-profiling following the FAQ I now have a Deltic that does a full circuit stopping at stations within a cm of the spot marked, so success.

But as anticipated with this phase, there are successes and failures. My favourite 9F which worked fine when last run in the UK now appears happy to run forwards but shorts out the whole system when you try and run it in reverse. I was also investigated the stutter running over a crossing (Peco SL-94) only to find that I hadn't really understood how it was wired by the manufacturer - now I do - so that means the three crossings I use will need taking up and "modifying".

So along with finishing installing the last few point motors and completing the wiring the next milestone is to get one of my smaller steam engines to do a complete circuit to really test out the track (hopefully by the end of the year). Once that is done I think it would be good to do a full test trying out every loco and it's associated rolling stock around the main line and over the branch line. Once I am happy that has been achieved I might actually start some ballasting and other scenic work. I am going back to the UK in January so if I have any locos I can't sort myself it would be an ideal opportunity to take them back and get them fixed.

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Hi Dave
Glad to hear that you are getting things sorted and that my RR&Co notes helped. Do remember though I wrote them ten years ago so some parts will be out of date.

Is the 9F the Hornby model with tender pick ups? If it is look at the contacts where the tender hooks on to the loco......the springy contacts can easily get bent out of shape and touch the wrong side of the loco contact.....this may explain the short in reverse. I found it an ongoing problem with a Grange which uses the same system. I carefully corrected the shape and insulated the underside with nail varnish.

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Hope everyone had a good Christmas and New Year and that Santa brought lots of goodies. I have mainly been sorting out the remaining temporary wiring and tracking down a failed point in the southern fiddle yard. Turns out it is an intermittent bad connection on the Guagemaster PM20 point motor lead for which Gaugemaster have agreed to send a replacement - thanks. Anyway around 10 locos have been tried so far, most are fine but there are a few that haven't had a good time in storage ranging from a Hornby Deltic with traction tyre problems to the second part of a DMU which isn't happy electrically.

I have allocated 6 locos and carriage sets for East Coast main line passenger workings and these have been set up in traincontroller as a series of schedules triggered from a timetable. Once I get a bit further I will add in extra entries for goods traffic and branch and other semi-local passenger workings.

I have also taken the plunge and started "modifying" the Hornby suspension bridge. I did ask about even attempting it and was advised it's probably not worth it but given it was in my stock and there was no way I was shipping it back to the UK and trying to sell it, I thought why not. Anyway here is a couple of photos of progress so far.





It needed to be double track and shorter. So I have made it wider with plasticard and shortened each of the four bridge sections. I then split the supports to accomodate this. I have also run square section aluminium beams both sides through the supports to help with strength. So the bed shortening and widening has worked out fine but the real test will be the pillars. My plan is to continue with the double layer plasticard method to bridge the gap and, when ready, spray them with a concrete effect slightly textured spray paint.

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Thought I would post a quick update. Not a lot has happened really as I have been away for a month and then there is always a backlog of jobs when you get home. So a few pics of work in progress.

1. Making a double track, double girder bridge. New cross pieces and bed made now just need to make the supports. I am planning to use OSB internals with modelling clay wrappers scribbed as stone work. One at either end and one in the middle.



2. That ????? suspension bridge (shortened and made double track). The jury is still out - it may yet get put in the bin. The bed is all ready to be glued in place and painted but, as I was advised, the supports are going to take a long time. You will see on the second picture the aluminium section I have cut to provide structural support, it fits very nicely under the bridge on each side.





3. Ballasting. This is going to take months if not years but I will just pick away at it now and again. I am using a mix of Peco grey fine ballast and Legacy brown ballast although after glueing it is coming out darker than I was anticipating. Now what I really could do with is the club tub from DCC Concepts but postage here to Spain makes it a bit prohibitive - may have to wait until I drive back later in the year.





4. Station platforms. The basic idea is to glue on the edgings onto the OSB pieces and then pad the centre out as appropiate to get the platforms just the width I want them, which allows some slight variation between platforms to get the carriages to run as close as possible.



So that's the progress. The backward step is a couple of sections of ID backscenes I had put on before going on holiday. I came back to find they had started to come off and were basically trashed. Ah well back to the drawing board on that one.

I also placed an order for another couple of Deltics being produced by Accurascale. That should allow me to run all 6 front line passenger expresses with Deltics. I really must stop buying locos though - there is only so many sidings on the layout!

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You've made some good headway there. Shame about the backscenes deteriorating though.

I've heard that, perhaps counterintuitively, it's quicker and easier to ballast in small sections.

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Some very good progress Dave it never goes as fast as you want it to.
Very good idea with the split platform boards to allow for varying widths does the osb give you the correct height once you have put the platform top on?
I am using the DCC concepts legacy ballast i am very pleased with it and yes the 5 litre tubs are the best way to buy it i bought 2 and you do get 5 litres of ballast in it.

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Yes I have been quite lucky really the OSB is just at the right height to allow a thin coating or plasticard top on the platforms. Not sure which I will go with yet. As with you Brian, I do like the size and colour of the Legacy ballast. I have a few small tubs of the black to mix in as and when required.

Not sure I am looking forward to trying to make the girder bridge supports - talk about way outside my comfort zone - bring on main board construction and electrics any time.


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Just realised how long it is since I posted an update on here. Needless to say work has been progressing at a slower pace than I would like but given it is getting to well over 30 deg C by 11am it's not really condusive to getting lots done. So much of the ballasting is now complete and polyestyrene is being cut to form basic hills. The main stumbling block to getting the ballasting finished as trains running again is bridges. I need to finish some (well quite a few actually). Anway here is the current state of play of three that have been in progress for quite a while.

1. The Hornby suspension bridge for the branch line, modified for double track and shortened.

As you can see not yet finished but getting there. This photo shows it drooping a bit in the middle as I haven't inserted the aluminium support bars yet.

2. The girder bridge for the east coast main line (will be in front of the suspension bridge).

I think this is OK now although it needs weathering.

3. Girder bridge taking the branch line over the main line after leaving the station.

Needs painting and weathering.

So hopefully by the end of August I will have the last of the backdrops fitted and these three bridges in place if not fully finished with the scenics around them.

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Love the modification to the Hornby suspension bridge, I always wanted one when I had my layout as a child!

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