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 Posted: Wed Aug 26th, 2015 07:04 pm
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As usual Max, some quality modelling going on.

From the photographs, the ubiquitous rubber tyre on a dock scene,you know I can't think of when I've seen one modelled....I don't expect for one minute you'll miss slipping one or two over your piles...

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 Posted: Thu Aug 27th, 2015 12:37 am
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Thanks, Doug.  The tyres appear in the earlier shots.

There are replacement O scale wheels and tyres available.



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Wow looking good, I ised the old fashioned pva on my operation abysis and I'm quite happy with how it turned out however you need to do a lot of thin layers to get any sense of depth. I will enjoy seeing how you get on

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Thanks, Jim.  I've been watching.  :cool:



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I wonder when it was that they started using tyres as bumpers? and what did they use bfore tyres were freely availble, Rope bumpers similar to canal boats?



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I've started on the water.



First a layer of plaster.  I'm using Gyprock™ brand joint compound followed by their finishing compound.



Then that is covered by two coats of acrylic indoor house paint which I had mixed to my colour choice.



Then I added a coat of Liquitex® gloss super heavy gel.  You can see in this picture where some of it still looks white where it hasn't fully set up.  Set up takes 2 - 3 days.



Lastly, I have dusted on some white weathering powder.  It's a bit whiter than the actual model, as the white over reflects off the powder, but you get the idea.



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Looking great really nice texture. Looking forward to seeing this progress keep up the good work

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Hi Max.

I think using PVA for water was originally my idea way, way, back but I could have been re inventing the wheel !

Anyway, if you should so wish, I have a photograph of a fast and heavy flowing river using several layers of heavily stippled PVA which might be of interest to you so let me know Max and I'll put it up for you. Or if you don't want your thread hijacked !!,  I could email it to you.

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Thanks, guys.

Put it up for all to see please, Allan.

I'm always looking to learn something new.

I've spent about 12 months researching water techniques.  I've tried various media including PVA and this one works best for me.

Actually I think Liquitex super heavy is a PVA style gel as well.  I'm searching for the YouTube movie of Swiss? guy who I aw using it.

I've even tried ModPodge, but Liquitex Super heavy has given me the best results.

I wasn't happy with the colour until I used white weathering powder.

The Liquitex stays tacky for a long while after and the powder sticks really well.

I'm looking forward to seeing your river.  :thumbs

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Found it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMtXDlS0Tdg

 



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Hi Max.

Yes, I've seen that video before. The guy's a genius.

If it's OK by you, I'll stick the picture up tomorrow coz first I 've got to trawl through my files to locate it apart from which, the missus wants me to sit through a movie with her, actually it's a TV play, you might have seen it, Good Night Mr Tom with the late John Thaw.

So, tommorow then.

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Sounds diabolical, Allan.  No trains, I suppose?  :lol:

I'll look forward to seeing the photo.

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The film finished ealier than expected Max - and there were trains ! - so here's the picture.

Any questions, just fire away.

Regards.

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That looks pretty convincing, Allan.

Have you done a "How To" anywhere?

When I get closer to the beach it might work well for me.



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MaxSouthOz wrote: That looks pretty convincing, Allan.

Have you done a "How To" anywhere?

When I get closer to the beach it might work well for me.


Ain't gone viral with it yet Max though I have explained it about a thousand times in various mags and MR websites which nobody reads !

It's simple actually, just paint the base in black, dark greens whatever then when dry just keep spreading  several layers of PVA heavily stippling each one and especially as it's just about to skin over . Leave each layer to dry out completely of course and the more layers you spread the  more pronounced the effect of fast moving water. To get the effect as seen in the picture took four layers oh, and don't thin the PVA out, use it neat, like you would with a good malt ! 

Cheers mate and merry Christmas.

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Hi Allan

Thanks for the explanation.  I went down the neat PVA route - I did about a half a dozen layers, but I wasn't able to stop it trapping tiny air bubbles in the PVA when I stippled it.

I found the same problem with Mod Podge.

While the Liquitex is a PVA like gel, it resists the forming of the tiny air bubbles when you stipple it.

Where was I going wrong with the PVA?

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MaxSouthOz wrote: Hi Allan

Thanks for the explanation.  I went down the neat PVA route - I did about a half a dozen layers, but I wasn't able to stop it trapping tiny air bubbles in the PVA when I stippled it.

I found the same problem with Mod Podge.

While the Liquitex is a PVA like gel, it resists the forming of the tiny air bubbles when you stipple it.

Where was I going wrong with the PVA?

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Hard to say Max though I get very little or no air bubbles at all. Could be that you aren't  stippling it enough, maybe the glue layers are too thick but I wouldn't have thought a few milky air bubbles would spoil the effect - real water is full of them !

However, I think you should go down the route that suits you best and not mine if it's proving troublesome. It's all to do with what material works best for you and what I can see from your efforts so far I can't figure out why you're listening to an old goat like me !

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Ha ha.  Old Goat eh?  This time next year I'll be 70, so I'm up there.  :lol:

I never discount anyone's expertise.  PVA could still be an option as I work my way up to the beach.  I hear what you say about the bubbles.  I'm working in O scale, so they probably won't be as noticeable.

It must be different from PVA, because I can pull the super heavy gel about with impunity.   The downside is that it shrinks something chronic - so much so that it pulled the paint off the top of the aluminium.  Also, if I make big wavelets, it shrinks into lines.  I then have to go back and add the tiny wavelets if I want them.

I've still got more than two square metres to do - so there's plenty of space left to practice.  ;-)



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MaxSouthOz wrote: Ha ha.  Old Goat eh?  This time next year I'll be 70, so I'm up there.  :lol:

I never discount anyone's expertise.  PVA could still be an option as I work my way up to the beach.  I hear what you say about the bubbles.  I'm working in O scale, so they probably won't be as noticeable.

It must be different from PVA, because I can pull the super heavy gel about with impunity.   The downside is that it shrinks something chronic - so much so that it pulled the paint off the top of the aluminium.  Also, if I make big wavelets, it shrinks into lines.  I then have to go back and add the tiny wavelets if I want them.

I've still got more than two square metres to do - so there's plenty of space left to practice.  ;-)


 

Yep, 80 a month ago Max and still knocking out crap !

Anyway, don't give up, you'll get there in the end I'm certain.

Anymore questions, fire way, who knows, I might even have the answer to one of them!

All the best mate.

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I also used Allan's pva idea on operation abyss as if it's good enough for the master then it will do for me.

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