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Hi railway-ers
Steven here and my first adulthood layout. I lost interest as a young boy and found interests in other toys and probably girls, but that's another story! Now I am in my 30's I was bought a set by the other half at Christmas 2014, a Hornby Caledonian Belle of oo gauge. 
In our 2 bed flat, there is no such thing as a 'spare room' so I thought about about folding layout that could go under the sofa, then thought of hanging it from the back room ceiling. Having found that a hoist of sufficient lifting capacity could be bought for about £60 this I felt was the best method and would allow a layout to be as big as possible; 2.3m x 1.9m. This was about a month ago and I put up some 25mm stainless pulleys that have a loop top and pin through them to hold them to the side parts of pulley. With 8mm x 100mm screw eyes into joist of the ceiling for the pulleys to hang from, this was plenty strong enough and I have gone with 2mm steel rope - rated to 130kg and obviously there are 4 points for it all to hang from. The hoist (Silverline one, easy to find searching online) has 4x M8 x 100mm bolts into it to bolt it to the wall from the other side! I have yet to fill those holes as I will monitor them in case the move or need tightening. The finished shape frame has a middle opening so I can reach the back. Primarily the operation will likely be from the front edge. The whole area will be encompassed by edge boards that will be painted and will be neat in appearance.
I have thought that I need to incorporate legs for the structure so it can stand on it's own once down. I have some ideas on this; wooden legs, they will fold down on hinges, with another angled piece to keep them vertical, like a fold out camping table. Then when stowing, they would be held up by some push in/out catches. 
The intention is that the underside will be neat being painted white. The middle opening allows the light in the room to hang through. I haven't stated that the room is bigger than the layout, by a bookcase along the width and about 0.9m when standing at the layout, as there are two double closets in the room and obviously the room door is on that side.
I am hoping to use Gormo's manual point control method which is really nice method - no motors here thank you! Even a turntable may be used and I'd like to gear that by the point controls to.
I will add photos soon.Comments and suggestions of course welcome.
I really must go and get ready for work tomorrow - we need to make our lunch and it's half nine... The bank holiday weekend is over...:cry:

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G`day Steve,
All of that sounds good. Your first steps with the pulley system ,indicate to me, that you would rather do a job properly and get it right the first time......well done:thumbs:thumbs.

I assume, from your comment re painting the underside white to match the ceiling, would indicate that you might put some removable flat panels underneath to give a flat / flush effect.???? Once wiring and connections are done under the baseboard, I don`t think you will need to spend much time under there, so the panels would be a nice way to improve the look of the room.

I think the ability to raise the railway to anywhere up to ceiling height will be handy for working underneath. Most of us end up on our knees on the floor in all sorts of awkward positions, trying to sort things out. So the height will be an advantage similar to a mechanics hoist.The only thing you may have to watch in the future is your scenery height. You don`t want to flatten a hill by trying to push it through the ceiling..:mutley

Sounds good so far.......keep us posted and don`t forget to upload some pics when you get going proper.

:cheers  Gormo

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Hello fellow railway modelers.

I thought I'd give a quick update as soon we go away for a fortnight and as I've got a woodwork job to complete before we go, I doubt I'll get anywhere with the railway project. Gutted! We depart on Friday 12th and will be busy getting ready for then.

Watch this space will try to take some photos of where I'm up to before we go away.

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Hello all
I finally got the woodwork job done and the back room is mine once more!
Tonight I took some photos...

This is a panoramic view as the room is only about 8ft square.
That centre square is about 550 x 550 mm and will be an access well. The room light will be moved to the centre of the well via a hook in the ceiling where I will have put longer cable on the light for it and it'll hang a bit lower to. The underside of the frame is about 400mm from the ceiling.

Doorway view

Sorry it's a bit bright in this shot.

Close-up of the corner anchors. These are M5 eye bolts with mudguard washers underneath. I used doubl clamps on the rope for double peace of mind!


Here's a wide view of it all from the doorway. The board on the frame is 6mm MDF and is a full 8x4 ft. Frame size is 2382mm x 1970mm, using 44mm deep (high) softwood, the lengths are 34 wide and the width pieces are 20mm, then more of the latter braces the widths.

There are some things on there - what a tease...
Out of the photo to the left is a box of Peco flex-track,
The brown box is lots of scenery, including the two viaduct kits,
The white box is lots of track of varying types, all ebay auction wins.
You might see the Hornby box that is the Caledonian Belle set
Note the double crossing I put together having seen what others are doing. Quite pleased with it, but it got me reading about electrofrog and insulfrog...I've alot of reading/research to do.

This is the hoist bolted through the wall
(from the hallway), with M8 bolts. This is a Silverline product and is capable of 125kg as it is. It could be pulling the cable join (next photo) via a pulley that the hoist rope goes around and hooks onto the hoist frame and this would double its lifting capacity - if you get me. I do not think I will have 120kg on it let alone 250...!


And this is the join of the hoist cable of 4mm steel rope to 4 rope clamps through a 5mm bolt, for the 2mm stainless steel ropes -rated about 100kg. The latter are PVC coated. Wishing I'd got white coated not clear though. D'oh!!


This view shows the two 60mm bearing pulleys in the ceiling via dowel screws (machine to wood thread) of 8mm diameter and nyloc nuts on the end. You can also see one of the stainless steel 25mm pulleys in the corner, most commonly found in marine applications - I am not expecting the sea to rise to here anytime soon but they are darn strong! The corner pulleys are in via strong stainless welded eye bolts of 8mm x 100mm long wood thread screw into the joists of course.


This is one of the push in/out latches that I had the idea of using to acheive drop-down legs on the underside. The frame will need some adjustment for them where they would be situated in the width, being about 850mm long, and would come up flush on the underside. These are not big but seem quite strong and the legs will only be softwood. I have ordered some leg braces to keep them out straight when they are folded down and most of the time the layout will be out anyway.


This final photo is a close up of a Metcalfe goods shed I made some months ago - Christmas present.
The 50mm thick polystyrene panel is on the surface. Will be good for making some hills/tunnels etc. You might have noticed that it is broken in about 4 pieces - oh the joys of strapping stuff to the roof for the trip from Wickes in Braintree to Halstead, when the wind is blowing a gale!!
The box of Peco flex-track is visible to the left in this photo.


Hope you enjoyed the photos.
More to follow next month, as we go away this Friday... Just when it is getin' good!

 Steve

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Oh My gosh Steve!!! That's Genius!!!

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Thank you, Darius. I am not the first to have a hoisted layout, but possibly one of few to put it in such a tight space!!
The frame will come down when moving or decorating, and just about fits through the doorway on the long edge.
I had since thought that i might have achieved a larger layout in our main bedroom, but that might be going too far so soon!
I am hoping we'll move to a house in the next year.
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Hello folks
While on holiday, I am on the lookout for anything model railway related. We have visited Bourton where there is a nice shop of many toys and they have several rail layouts.
I am wondering that if I scratchbuild with balsa, what paint do I use? I have watched a few tutorials on this and they used acrylic for some things while other parts called for a stain in a container that is then diluted and the balsa wood soaked.
Any help would be great.
Steve.

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Hi Steve

Like the pulleys - you and Gormo are going to get on like a house on fire.

Didn't spot if you have sorted the leg issue, as a temp measure in the past I have use saw horses

http://www.diy.com/departments/bq-sawhorse-workbench/195547_BQ.prd

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Hello Paul
I aim to make the legs before I get too far into layout experimenting. It'll be easier now than later. I am awaiting some more parts to arrive. I do like your suggestion of saw horses as a temporary measure.

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G`day Steve,

You`re off to a flying start. I like your hoist arrangement .......very ingenious:thumbs:thumbs:thumbs.

I assume the brackets for the legs would be something like those used for a folding card table. We have them in Oz......not sure if you have them over there. They are more like folding stays than brackets I guess but they brace the legs well enough.

Well done my friend.:doublethumb:doublethumb:doublethumb:doublethumb

:cheers  Gormo

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Cheers Gormo.
Can you advice me on scratchbuilding and what paint to use on balsa wood?

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Hi Steve,  Balsa wood has a very soft , porous grain which swells up when you paint straight on to it and can be a Pita to sand smooth again. Prep it first using a sanding sealer and sand down using fine grade wet and dry, 2.  3. Or 4 coats till your happy with the finish. This seals the wood grain so your paint won't soak in and swell the wood. You should be OK with your acrylics then               Cheers                                                                                                                                                                                            Matt

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G`day Steve,

Sorry....can`t help there.....not my area of expertise.

It looks like Matt has got it sorted anyway.

:cheers  Gormo

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Thanks Matt. I will obtain a set of acrylic paints and sealer.
Cheers.

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No probe, practice on a scrap piece first until your happy with the results your getting. Don't want you ruining that first attempt at scratch building :thumbs

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Thanks again, Matt.
Today we came across a large independent toy and craft shop in Dorchester. It was packed floor to ceiling with goodies.
I bought a big bag of granite ballast and other scenery, plus paints and sanding sealer.
Looking forward to experimenting when we return home on Friday.
Steve.

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Hello Railway-ers

We returned from holdiay on Friday. After much unpacking, I returned to some of the building work on the layout. The framework now has 6mm MDF panels on the whole area and a centre access well, which may be used for operating to.

Then spent most of the weekend playing about with the track we have. Hannah my girlfriend was working but will join in when I have completed the 'technical' bits, meaning the contruction work for the track to be on.

The leg braces arrived and are exactly what I need. Hope to cut the legs this week. Since then I ordered 4 hinges for the legs, then also a Dapol 10" turntable kit, 10m roll of 100mm wide cork of 3mm thick and a pack of Horby track pins. I was just reading a recent thread on track cutting but they look like typical electricians cutters to me.

The possible layout is perhaps half way planned and where I have areas that have no track, I might just cut those areas of MDF out to save weight. I said to Hannah that she can design her own station with fiddle yard near the front edge, and I will have one near the middle with the turntable. She is looking forward to operating her Thomas the Tank Engine she bought on ebay!! [rolling my eyes]

Speaking of turntables - I have the idea to mechanise mine, along with having the levers for point control as I saw Gormo doing.

I did take some quick photos but will upload them and more in the next week.

The fun continues...
Steve

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Hi Steve

Have a look at the raspberry pi + stepper motor

http://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/breakout-boards/mypishop/mypi-step-your-pi-stepper-motor-and-driver-board

£8.99 = p&p gets you a dual stepper motor driver board + stepper motor. Even with direct drive it takes 512 steps to complete 1 revolution or 0.7 degrees per step
Output shaft size of the motor is 5mm, so you could easily get a toothed belt and pulleys to give further reduction and even finer resolution.
Programming on the Pi is via python and if I can get the moptor to turn backwards and forwards anyone can.

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Hi Paul.
Sounds good. I had not thought of the pi for this. There's probably a good number of rail modellers using them. They'd be good for point control and lights, lots of things.
Will look into it. Cheers

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Hi all

The Dapol turntable arrived this week and I worked on making it as soon as I had time. The alignment of the moulded parts is not good at all in fact I am really unimpressed with it. This goes for the wheels to, so I was just reading this (http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=259&forum_id=7&page=1 ) post about the Peco kit, which sounds promising. Just wondering if my frame is deep enough for it, which is 44mm with 6mm top surface? I am hoping to motorise it one day.

Other than that, the legs were made yesterday and the leg braces have worked a treat on them to keep the legs, well, braced! Also got a roll of cork for underlay which looks like it'll work well and a pack of Hornby track pins for the track that'll be on the surface direct (with cork).

A few other things to do soon, is put up a light shade in the room. I moved the light so there is a hook in the ceiling so the light will hang in the centre of the layout where the well is in it. I shall have to move some pictures too I think.

More to follow...

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Hi folks
This week I have come up with one such layout that I wanted to share with you experts for feedback  :)
I've taken a video which is on my Youtube page:

I will talk you through it... 
It consists of:  inner and outer loop lines within a valley that are almost together the whole route, the outer of them joins to an upper loop on an elevated area. There is a station on each level plus tunnels and bridges, and a turntable and a coal mine within the valley will make for interest operating them.

In Detail From it you will see a double loop track from a station in the foreground that enter a double tunnel to the left (hillside obviously), these exit the hillside via tunnels at differing levels (not quite that different but the polystyrene/cardboard is some representation for now) at the back left of the surface then they come back down together at the right then finish at the main station. The outer of the double loop is a passenger line and the inner is a service line. 

The service line is connected to a turntable on the right and a coal mine that will be on the left hillside, also a short goods branch line is there. The turntable serves 6 main branches that I may embark on making a roundhouse to cover them at some point. There is also water and coal points. The coal mine can leave its area and join the service line or go to the coal drop via the turntable.

Back in the foreground but just beyond the station there is 4 sidings for passenger carriages etc, one of which you might notice is an operating mail one (I intend there to be as much to do on here as possible!) These 4 lines join through via a crossthrough piece on the service line and keeps those passenger trains to the outer line. There is a scissor crossing within the station area that allows crossing between both loops.

Looking at the back area again and the outer line of the double loop, there is a leaving and joining line to the upper line that encompasses the whole layout. The girder bridge and viaduct keep it all from being landlocked!

Functionality Having the elevated section all the way round will allow me to make the sides of the frame stronger using 6mm MDF fixed to it. This will be about 30cm (1ft) tall and have a printed backdrop or at least a watercolour wash of sky blue. I will also mount the controls at the front to the right of the girder bridge for the near and far stations and the 4 line sidings. Controls at the well will be for coal mine and turntable etc. I am not sure that its a good idea to put controls in more than one place??

When travelling from the main (near) station to the the elevated one, the train will go to the left and up to the top, then upon returning it will take a full loop of the top passing above the main station before rejoining the outer main loop and down to the main station.

Operating the [eventual] coal mine should be entertaining. I believe there are operating wagons to tip their contents of coal or ore etc, though I am not sure that will work well with those three section coal stores as I've got one by the turntable.

There will be roads in and out under the viaduct and girder bridge and another at the top for the elevated station.

Building My aim has been to create a very old era appearance, say 1940s give or take. I shall be buying lots of street lamps and accessories to achieve the appearance needed for this. The Metcalfe good shed is the only new building on there. There is quite a contrast between the Hornby platform and the half depth one! Some modifying of both will be needed to make them more similar in appearance.

I have been watching youtube videos on making hills etc, this should be fun and I am looking forward to doing so. I recently came across using teddy bear fur fabric and painting it green to make grass. The effect was very realistic!!

The track laid out is what I have as far as setrack but I have about 15 pieces of Peco flex track that will be used on it as much as possible. Some of the points are the old Hornby type that I gather are prone to derailing, so I will obtain newer or Peco ones where possible.

So, please let me know this week what you all think. I have spent alot of time looking at what other people are doing; from the small to the large. I had to go with what I have space and consider what I would like to get out of it which I hope will be alot. Hannah seems quite impressed so far and continues to be busy as ever so has not put much input into the layout. I have realised that the main station will be poorly accessed for passengers, so it will need the elevated line making narrower so there can be a half depth platform at the nearside then a footbridge to the three platforms can be scratch built. Ticket offices will be the entry point. Otherwise a subway route could be employed.

One final note: Hannah got a Stephenson's Rocket that is OO gauge and I think I will find a place near the main station to place it on a little piece of track of it's own with a tiny standing information sign of what it is, to create a monument of it. Probably with some tourists around it will really set it off! Its not an operating type, just a mock up version.  
That's all for now. Hopefully I have done some good  :???:

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First thing I've noticed in your video Steven is your inclines look far too steep.

The very maximum gradient you could have without continual derailments or trains just not getting up the hill is about 1 in 33 (3%), ideally you should aim at 1 in 50 (2%).

Although your video is helpful, I think most people would get a better idea of what your planning with some sort of diagram, either a hand draw sketch or try one of the free track planning software programs such as Anyrail or SCARM.

Just my thoughts, I'm sure others will come along with more advice and comments.



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Hello Ed

Thank you for the advice. The polystyrene is just to mark where I want some elevated area.

I've been using xtrack CAD this evening and am finding that the heights I want may well be too high. Back to the drawing board...

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Hi folks
Not much going on for this layout, mainly research.

Since Ed has pointed out that the elevation changes are too steep I did confirm this with XtrackCAD and am since looking at other layout possibilities.

Given that I have pieces of 75mm polystyrene panel for carving hills, I set about placing them on the surface to visualise a landscape then go from there of where I could route the track. This is ongoing for now. I did find some people using expanding foam filler to form hills which is appealing - anyone tried this?

Today I was looking at turntables and found this page on rmweb by Silver Sidelines. He has made a turntable and from it I think I could make one in the same way.
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/880/entry-12315-a-cheap-and-cheerful-turntable/
Stay tuned for layout advances.
BTW does anyone locally to me have any railway mags they can lend or no longer want? There's always lots in them on techniques of varying things. Which would be beneficial to me.


Ta ta for now

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Hello all
Been off work today and will be tomorrow, we are car hunting. That's another story.
This has allowed me to work on the layout. Having played around with the space and coming up with very little else that I like, I've gone back to the one on the video and I think I've adjusted it so that the steepest gradient is 3.5%. Many are less so I'm quite pleased.
I then set up a test section to try out a few coaches with my locos and found that the lightest struggled from the Caledonian Belle set, but Hannah's Thomas did not. I quickly spotted that Thomas has rubber grips like bands on the middle row of wheels and is heavier. In time we'll look to buy a better loco for coach pulling. These are two blue and cream ones and of full length, something close to 17 cm from memory as i type from bed before sleeping.
Car buying will be expensive, so progress will slow for some time. We'll get there!

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Hello folks

I just wanted to share my latest layout plan. This is pretty much as is in the video posted not long ago.
The elevations have been worked out and they are no sharper than 3.5%.
Do let me know what you think.



I hope you can see the elevation heights - the outer most track is high all round. That is two Hornby triple viaduct sections on the right and a girder bridge on the lower right. Most of this track is on hillside with the bottom straight being on posts of some sort, over grass or field.

I think I will remove the crossover in between the two single width platforms. This was in when the inner two tracks were going to be parallel but is now not needed.
Not quite happy with the back two straights, I think I need more stations and housing, so I'd need to bring the top right corner in a bit more for houses and a station there, like on the top left.
The top left track is on top of the hill, so there is room for housing there. The grey strips are tunnel opening; two single at the top left and a double near the lower left.

I have pretty much all the track, just the turnouts for the three sidings in the lower left area I require. That part will be walled off from the platform back.

The middle track loop is for a coal mine and goods etc. I'm hoping to add in some operating stuff like a conveyer and tipper. The grey building is the Metcalf Goods Shed - I rather like the siding it takes, but perhaps it is unnecessary. At some point I'd build a building over the 6 turntable sides, these will be for engines. These are at 10 degree intervals, normally 15 I think??

When I started out, I thought I'd be making Gormo manual points, but that is not looking likely with this being on varying levels, unless I use rods in flexible tubing. If anything I can do manual points in the middle for the coal mine and goods shed points operating.

Thanks for looking.


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A quick update; I began laying track last night. Using cork as a base for the track against the wood structure. PVA dries quick enough that I can place alot in a short space of time.

The layout has changed a little so I will soon post a new xtrackCAD image.

Laters...

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Been busy laying underlay and track the last few evenings. Unfortunately it seems that Evo-Stick PVA bond makes track go green :sad:. Some sanding has helped. Then I since used a different PVA glue that has not had the same effect as yet - it is drying now :???:

Anyway...photos :mrgreen::mrgreen:
Here's the latest layout that (I think) I have finalised.


Grid is 10cm.
KEY TO COLOURS: Black = platforms (with the exception of the conveyor). Dark red = buildings. Light grey = concrete roads/streets. Mid green shade = Hilltops. Dark green = lower hills. Dark blue = the footbridge. Dark grey = girder bridge. Dark sandy brown = elevated wood railroad structure. Bright red = Viaduct.
The 4 small circles in the corners are where the hoist anchors.

There is lots going on here...
The large area up top left allows for the power station with coal drop off via a Hornby tipper. Below that the Hornby conveyor (in black poking out the hillside) collects it but it is then coming out the hillside from the coal mine! Nifty I thought. I may benefit from a second end tip wagon for the swap over.

Under the hillside is two tracks. With the top most of those two coming out their own tunnel, the hill will have an extra hight hill on top for that tracks' tunnel.

The dark sandy colour strips are elevated sections on piers. Possibly these will be Hornby track piers but I will try to scratch build some. I have convenient 4ft lengths of 6mm MDF offcuts for the surface. Then it'll need some fencing along the sides.

In the upper right corner is a hilltop with low relief buildings and a narrow platform that is approached from an end street.

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You can see the perimeter pieces we cut recently; Hannah and I had my homemade table saw out and cut an 8x4ft 6mm MDF sheet. Result was ok, took sometime and effort to fix to the sides what with the tight fit the layout has in the room...!


This low perspective shows the slope of two down to one layers of cork underlay.
I cut slits in it, 2/3's in on both edges from alternating sides so that it would be possible to shape the strips round corners. The height transition was acheived by a fair bit of sanding. I will look into using expanding foam filler which I have seen some modellers use, then lay paper-mache over the top.


Can you see the green between the sleepers of the point??!

The track works well. These first corners are pretty much the tightest by Hornby 1st radius standard.

 Thanks for reading.

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Hi everyone.

I've completed a decent length of track laying. This photo shows Hannah's loco - honestly I did not buy this one!



Been watching some uTube videos on using paper mache over polystyrene for making the terrain, so I am going down that route for my layout.

One thing I wanted to point out is that I have soldered the joins to remove the use of fishplates as they are not used in the real world. There are about 6 pairs of soldered joints for this much laid so far. I will post a photo later.

have a good afternoon.
Steve

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Depends on the period your modelling Steve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishplate

Modern welded rail also has expansion joints to allow movement with temperature changes.

If you solder all your joints and the room where the layout is sited gets hot, your rails may buckle.



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Hello Ed
Thank you for the info. I had not actually looked up what a fishplate looks like in the real world.
I expect some rail modellers do stick a fishplate looking plate to the side of their joins.

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Afternoon all.

The layout posted above on 22 August still stands with a few minor adjustments to the exact position of the track at the back, so it has some slight curves rather than being so straight on each side. The red rectangle on the right represents two Hornby 3-arch viaducts that will not be included as it will face the raised wooden structure of the adjacent curved track section to its left. It just won't look right if I include the viaduct. This week I received a purchase of points that will complete the track needed to build this layout - 4 peco streamline SL-96 and 2 peco setrack for £35, which I thought pretty reasonable as most are nearly new.

This week I became most excited when reading extensively on how to wire the layout. Very much looking forward to doing this! I have only laid as much as posted so far. That section will be the Town Station. Having learnt about wiring 'modules' or 'districts' with insulating joiners, I set to work on drawing a panel layout and how I want to divide it into areas for powering. I will take the route of having two main controllers and each area connected to a DPDT toggle switch for either controller, while the middle for the coal/goods/shunting/turntable will be to a different controller. Also have read this article ( http://www.scottpages.net/ReviewOfControllers.html ) that a Hornby R965 is very good for slow shunting and so would work well in this area. I may make use of a console enclosure ( http://cpc.farnell.com/1/1/118279-retex-33020103-sloped-console-grey-268x117-5x185mm.html ) I bought many years ago in my college years which was intended for a multifunction item: PSU/function generator and the likes, all very useful for the budding electronics engineer I was - although I did not attain engineer level. This enclosure would look the business for a layout with indicators and so on. I also found many resources on making a good controller but that is alot more work - one for the future perhaps.

In other news, a few weeks ago Hannah and I (plus her father who is planning a layout also) went to the Great Electric Train Show at Gaydon, Warwickshire which is held in the Heritage Motor Centre building. This was our first exhibition we'd been to and we were both struck by how much there was to see. While there I bought a Metcalfe footbridge which will be part of the Town Station. There were alot of pre owned items that were reasonably priced and of course lots of layouts to pour over!

More to follow - I hope to soon have something to show for my reasearch.

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Evening all


Above is the first concept of the control panel layout.

Lots going on!

As mentioned in my last post, I have looked into making my own controller and today used my protoblock to put one together and try it. Works quite well, better than the generic Hornby controllers that I have what with the inertia control.


 Time for bed!

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Afternoon all.

Been making alot of progress on my railway layout. Will psot some photos another time.

Worked out alot of things and alot of research has been the case of most evenings. Decided how I will divide the track into blocks as this will be a DC control system and I want to be able to have more than just 1 loco on any one branch at a time - as we all do.

I have laid a fair bit more track and much of the landscaping is done for the elevated areas, but I need to complete the paper mache work then I can keep laying track; all track has been Peco flexi track and mostly Peco short length points or some that are the middle length - I am not familar with the codes as they're not on the underside like Hornby. Then I have some standard length Hornby points also. Ideally I will not use any set track pieces.

Recently I made my first tree - very exciting. This I did using a thick piece of copper wire as a trunk then wraping a turn of thin wire around it for branches and soldering them on as I add them. Then used some good foliage cover in carefully selected shapes to glue to the wire branches.

...the glue I use is a quick set craft glue. I use it to fix track onto which is on 2mm cork underlay. Also use it for making card buildings etc.

Have also made a church I had for Christmas (this lead to having to adjust the layout to allow room for it); a Metcalfe Parish Chuch, which I printed onto acetate some stained glass windows I found online and carefully resizing them to suit, to make it all the more realistic as the usual windows are clear with some black lead work for some effect at least.

Today I received 50 'grain of wheat' bulbs that will illuminate the church inside as well as other areas. The effect will be good in the evenings.

I made use of the paperbricks.co.uk site (made a donation) and saved a few designs including stone walling for inside the two tunnels which are lined with the print which is on good coated matt thick paper (the Ice brand I found on ebay and had good reviews on Amazon - very good detail from my experience).

The tunnels will have small 'warm white' LEDs on the ceiling roof which I saw quite cheaply on ebay as a battery operated set.

Hannah has not contributed to much - apart from using some acrylic paints for her own things. I think she's looking forward to just playing with trains! I am looking forward to operating the tipper and conveyor for coal collections and drops.

Yet to decide is the location of the post bag collection/drop points.

I am aware that the slopes I have in one area is quite steep so I searched online for something to help the locos climb the slopes. I quickly found Bullfrog Snot - pleasant, hu?! This I hear is like liquid latex. Bullfrog Snot is really expensive while a small bottle of liquid latex is less than £5. I bought some of the latter this week. Will report on the performance when I receive it and try it.

Still lots going on and still lots more to do. I really enjoy this! If it were done in a week it'd be boring I think.

Steven

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Good evening.

We have been to another exhibition sometime ago. Saw lots and had further ideas on what I am creating. My girlfriend, Hannah, has had even less time to look at the layout let alone join me to make something. It's kind of become 'my' layout now.

Sorry for not posting anything in a while, been busy with other things. In particular with the longer days and warm dry weather, I have been working on woodwork projects at home. I recently bought a pre-owned planer which will make things easier for projects. It goes with my homemade table saw and many other tools I've bought over the years - all for another forum! Woodworking is my main interest in adulthood, however, electronics was my first love...

This week I have been making a first knock up of a controller that I found a circuit for and have been tinkering with its components to make it work my way. This will be complete this weekend along with a power supply.

Will post some photos of these and other things, as they come together this weekend.

Steve (and Hannah)

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Hello all.

Here is the completed first controller, with an old Hornby Flying Scotsman in the background.



Yes - it is built into a translucent blue case! This is for the tourists so they can see what is in there. I just made use of what I already have in my electronics space in the loft which is where I am posting this from.
The controller has the obvious fw/rev and speed control plus an inertia on the left slide switch which gives 3 levels of inertia. Makes the driving all the more real. I have learnt that I can make hi/lo speed control selector, but that is for the next one. The next one will probably be a standard version, then the one after that will be my proper one built into a wooden case, maybe. I think that a slide potentiometer will be preferred over a rotary one for speed control. What's your preference?

For the rest of the day: power supply to continue, more track laying and block wiring to do, consider the control panel and also consider making a first off control panel which always helps to see what is preferred in operation etc. Same as I find out for the controller.

Hope you are all having a good day.

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Evening all

Just been working further on this 3d environment model of my layout, with adding a control panel, using software called Bryce (from Daz3d) that I have been using for years to design many projects - since then a well known search engine company came up with free software to do something like it, plus there are others available that are now free and frankly better.



Anyway, this time using Bryce to design the control panel by with considering the size of some circuit boards I will be making (veroboard ones) for point control and block control and a power supply. Then thinking where the switches/LEDs will be on a board behind the panel. I May buy some PCB etching materials as I did in my earlier days and make the latter part.

The Panel is seen in the foreground with the block control rotary switches at the top of it that indicate the section that you can power - for any of three controllers. That part was drawn on a whiteboard with magnetic Scrabble letters for the blocks (that can be seen), then photographed it and imported the image to the object of the block control part of the panel. One thing I noted just now is that a point should be green for 'main and red for 'side'...is that right?

This second image is close up of the panel. The panel is a module, (it is not complete here no sides!). Just really wanted to share some work on designing it. Again, the images pasted on are just representative. The green background image of the layout is created with powerpoint with 3d effect to the switches (push buttons with electronic control but may change to centre off toggles for simplicity) and you can just see the breaks in the grey lines of track where the blocks end. The rotary switches at the top as mentioned are modelled so I could see the amount of space I need behind the panel. The slope of the panel is 15 degrees, just in case you wanted to know :)



The panel will be hung onto the front in some way that it detatches when being put away. So it will have mains power into it, then outputs to the layout structure from there via short umbilical cable ending to a plugs/sockets that connects to the structure.

I go to bed now, quite chuffed - probably won't sleep for thinking of it for sometime for wanting to improve something! :roll:

 Steve

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Hi everyone.

It has been much too long since I even looked on the YMR forum but we have been busy getting moved. That is in fact still progressing as we hope to make an offer on a house this week.

Sadly, the railway was took down from its place in the back room but it will return victorious! I expect the layout will change - bigger or smaller - once we have moved.

Very much missing building the layout.

More to follow.
Hope you are all been enjoying the hobby since I last caught up with you.

Steve

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Good luck with moving Steve.

Hopefully you'll end up with room for a bigger layout.

You can never have enough room for a model railway :mutley




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Hi Ed.

Thanks. Fingers crossed. I am hoping for more space for the layout! you are quite right.

Steve

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Hello everyone.

Well it has been just over a year since I posted here. We have finally moved in November 2017.

Tonight I decided to look up the site and say hello.

Our house is a 3 bedroom home compared to 2 bed flat we were in. Room for a new layout! I'll have the smaller bedroom that is slightly narrower than my layout I'd been building. Not to worry.

I'll commence something else at some point. But I think that will be a long way off.

This year there are more home improvement projects than I care to list. Once some of the major ones are done such as closets in our bedroom plus a driveway is in the pipeline, then I can think about my little room for model railway building.

I cannot wait!

When I have a bit of time between working then DIY most evenings plus some sleep, I'll have a look at what you've been doing. I look forward to that to. Anything in particular I should know about that I've do say.


Cheers

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Hi

I notice a request some time back for ideas for a layout and a few plans?  Whilst they are somewhat "old hat", there is a lot to be gained by looking at Peco's plans books - 60 Plans For Small Layouts, Plans For Model Railways etc.  They are available on eBay for a few quid each.  They may not fit into current trends for micro layouts but a lot of us have built one or more of these little layouts at some point or stolen ideas for our own projects.  Cyril Freezer, who wrote these books and did a lot of the plans, also wrote a few basic books on railway modelling which allow someone with a train-set to step into Railway Modelling - again, they have been copied but rarely bettered.

Whilst you lay drives and decorate your new home, research time for the railway will repay you large dividends.  My own Final Grand Plan which set sail recently was 5 years in the planning (although I had another layout to play with).  As a result, the design, electrics, scenic ideas and operational aspects of it are carefully honed.  It is better to screw up a lot of paper than screw up a layout!!  [btw, it includes a Cyril Freezer plan known as "Minories" - check CF's little gem out on YouTube]

Good luck - look forward to seeing progress

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