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 Posted: Sun Jul 12th, 2015 03:47 am
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Hi folks
This week I have come up with one such layout that I wanted to share with you experts for feedback  :)
I've taken a video which is on my Youtube page:

I will talk you through it... 
It consists of:  inner and outer loop lines within a valley that are almost together the whole route, the outer of them joins to an upper loop on an elevated area. There is a station on each level plus tunnels and bridges, and a turntable and a coal mine within the valley will make for interest operating them.

In Detail From it you will see a double loop track from a station in the foreground that enter a double tunnel to the left (hillside obviously), these exit the hillside via tunnels at differing levels (not quite that different but the polystyrene/cardboard is some representation for now) at the back left of the surface then they come back down together at the right then finish at the main station. The outer of the double loop is a passenger line and the inner is a service line. 

The service line is connected to a turntable on the right and a coal mine that will be on the left hillside, also a short goods branch line is there. The turntable serves 6 main branches that I may embark on making a roundhouse to cover them at some point. There is also water and coal points. The coal mine can leave its area and join the service line or go to the coal drop via the turntable.

Back in the foreground but just beyond the station there is 4 sidings for passenger carriages etc, one of which you might notice is an operating mail one (I intend there to be as much to do on here as possible!) These 4 lines join through via a crossthrough piece on the service line and keeps those passenger trains to the outer line. There is a scissor crossing within the station area that allows crossing between both loops.

Looking at the back area again and the outer line of the double loop, there is a leaving and joining line to the upper line that encompasses the whole layout. The girder bridge and viaduct keep it all from being landlocked!

Functionality Having the elevated section all the way round will allow me to make the sides of the frame stronger using 6mm MDF fixed to it. This will be about 30cm (1ft) tall and have a printed backdrop or at least a watercolour wash of sky blue. I will also mount the controls at the front to the right of the girder bridge for the near and far stations and the 4 line sidings. Controls at the well will be for coal mine and turntable etc. I am not sure that its a good idea to put controls in more than one place??

When travelling from the main (near) station to the the elevated one, the train will go to the left and up to the top, then upon returning it will take a full loop of the top passing above the main station before rejoining the outer main loop and down to the main station.

Operating the [eventual] coal mine should be entertaining. I believe there are operating wagons to tip their contents of coal or ore etc, though I am not sure that will work well with those three section coal stores as I've got one by the turntable.

There will be roads in and out under the viaduct and girder bridge and another at the top for the elevated station.

Building My aim has been to create a very old era appearance, say 1940s give or take. I shall be buying lots of street lamps and accessories to achieve the appearance needed for this. The Metcalfe good shed is the only new building on there. There is quite a contrast between the Hornby platform and the half depth one! Some modifying of both will be needed to make them more similar in appearance.

I have been watching youtube videos on making hills etc, this should be fun and I am looking forward to doing so. I recently came across using teddy bear fur fabric and painting it green to make grass. The effect was very realistic!!

The track laid out is what I have as far as setrack but I have about 15 pieces of Peco flex track that will be used on it as much as possible. Some of the points are the old Hornby type that I gather are prone to derailing, so I will obtain newer or Peco ones where possible.

So, please let me know this week what you all think. I have spent alot of time looking at what other people are doing; from the small to the large. I had to go with what I have space and consider what I would like to get out of it which I hope will be alot. Hannah seems quite impressed so far and continues to be busy as ever so has not put much input into the layout. I have realised that the main station will be poorly accessed for passengers, so it will need the elevated line making narrower so there can be a half depth platform at the nearside then a footbridge to the three platforms can be scratch built. Ticket offices will be the entry point. Otherwise a subway route could be employed.

One final note: Hannah got a Stephenson's Rocket that is OO gauge and I think I will find a place near the main station to place it on a little piece of track of it's own with a tiny standing information sign of what it is, to create a monument of it. Probably with some tourists around it will really set it off! Its not an operating type, just a mock up version.  
That's all for now. Hopefully I have done some good  :???:



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First thing I've noticed in your video Steven is your inclines look far too steep.

The very maximum gradient you could have without continual derailments or trains just not getting up the hill is about 1 in 33 (3%), ideally you should aim at 1 in 50 (2%).

Although your video is helpful, I think most people would get a better idea of what your planning with some sort of diagram, either a hand draw sketch or try one of the free track planning software programs such as Anyrail or SCARM.

Just my thoughts, I'm sure others will come along with more advice and comments.



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Hello Ed

Thank you for the advice. The polystyrene is just to mark where I want some elevated area.

I've been using xtrack CAD this evening and am finding that the heights I want may well be too high. Back to the drawing board...



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Hi folks
Not much going on for this layout, mainly research.

Since Ed has pointed out that the elevation changes are too steep I did confirm this with XtrackCAD and am since looking at other layout possibilities.

Given that I have pieces of 75mm polystyrene panel for carving hills, I set about placing them on the surface to visualise a landscape then go from there of where I could route the track. This is ongoing for now. I did find some people using expanding foam filler to form hills which is appealing - anyone tried this?

Today I was looking at turntables and found this page on rmweb by Silver Sidelines. He has made a turntable and from it I think I could make one in the same way.
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/880/entry-12315-a-cheap-and-cheerful-turntable/
Stay tuned for layout advances.
BTW does anyone locally to me have any railway mags they can lend or no longer want? There's always lots in them on techniques of varying things. Which would be beneficial to me.


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Hello all
Been off work today and will be tomorrow, we are car hunting. That's another story.
This has allowed me to work on the layout. Having played around with the space and coming up with very little else that I like, I've gone back to the one on the video and I think I've adjusted it so that the steepest gradient is 3.5%. Many are less so I'm quite pleased.
I then set up a test section to try out a few coaches with my locos and found that the lightest struggled from the Caledonian Belle set, but Hannah's Thomas did not. I quickly spotted that Thomas has rubber grips like bands on the middle row of wheels and is heavier. In time we'll look to buy a better loco for coach pulling. These are two blue and cream ones and of full length, something close to 17 cm from memory as i type from bed before sleeping.
Car buying will be expensive, so progress will slow for some time. We'll get there!



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Hello folks

I just wanted to share my latest layout plan. This is pretty much as is in the video posted not long ago.
The elevations have been worked out and they are no sharper than 3.5%.
Do let me know what you think.



I hope you can see the elevation heights - the outer most track is high all round. That is two Hornby triple viaduct sections on the right and a girder bridge on the lower right. Most of this track is on hillside with the bottom straight being on posts of some sort, over grass or field.

I think I will remove the crossover in between the two single width platforms. This was in when the inner two tracks were going to be parallel but is now not needed.
Not quite happy with the back two straights, I think I need more stations and housing, so I'd need to bring the top right corner in a bit more for houses and a station there, like on the top left.
The top left track is on top of the hill, so there is room for housing there. The grey strips are tunnel opening; two single at the top left and a double near the lower left.

I have pretty much all the track, just the turnouts for the three sidings in the lower left area I require. That part will be walled off from the platform back.

The middle track loop is for a coal mine and goods etc. I'm hoping to add in some operating stuff like a conveyer and tipper. The grey building is the Metcalf Goods Shed - I rather like the siding it takes, but perhaps it is unnecessary. At some point I'd build a building over the 6 turntable sides, these will be for engines. These are at 10 degree intervals, normally 15 I think??

When I started out, I thought I'd be making Gormo manual points, but that is not looking likely with this being on varying levels, unless I use rods in flexible tubing. If anything I can do manual points in the middle for the coal mine and goods shed points operating.

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A quick update; I began laying track last night. Using cork as a base for the track against the wood structure. PVA dries quick enough that I can place alot in a short space of time.

The layout has changed a little so I will soon post a new xtrackCAD image.

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Been busy laying underlay and track the last few evenings. Unfortunately it seems that Evo-Stick PVA bond makes track go green :sad:. Some sanding has helped. Then I since used a different PVA glue that has not had the same effect as yet - it is drying now :???:

Anyway...photos :mrgreen::mrgreen:
Here's the latest layout that (I think) I have finalised.


Grid is 10cm.
KEY TO COLOURS: Black = platforms (with the exception of the conveyor). Dark red = buildings. Light grey = concrete roads/streets. Mid green shade = Hilltops. Dark green = lower hills. Dark blue = the footbridge. Dark grey = girder bridge. Dark sandy brown = elevated wood railroad structure. Bright red = Viaduct.
The 4 small circles in the corners are where the hoist anchors.

There is lots going on here...
The large area up top left allows for the power station with coal drop off via a Hornby tipper. Below that the Hornby conveyor (in black poking out the hillside) collects it but it is then coming out the hillside from the coal mine! Nifty I thought. I may benefit from a second end tip wagon for the swap over.

Under the hillside is two tracks. With the top most of those two coming out their own tunnel, the hill will have an extra hight hill on top for that tracks' tunnel.

The dark sandy colour strips are elevated sections on piers. Possibly these will be Hornby track piers but I will try to scratch build some. I have convenient 4ft lengths of 6mm MDF offcuts for the surface. Then it'll need some fencing along the sides.

In the upper right corner is a hilltop with low relief buildings and a narrow platform that is approached from an end street.

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You can see the perimeter pieces we cut recently; Hannah and I had my homemade table saw out and cut an 8x4ft 6mm MDF sheet. Result was ok, took sometime and effort to fix to the sides what with the tight fit the layout has in the room...!


This low perspective shows the slope of two down to one layers of cork underlay.
I cut slits in it, 2/3's in on both edges from alternating sides so that it would be possible to shape the strips round corners. The height transition was acheived by a fair bit of sanding. I will look into using expanding foam filler which I have seen some modellers use, then lay paper-mache over the top.


Can you see the green between the sleepers of the point??!

The track works well. These first corners are pretty much the tightest by Hornby 1st radius standard.

 Thanks for reading.



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Hi everyone.

I've completed a decent length of track laying. This photo shows Hannah's loco - honestly I did not buy this one!



Been watching some uTube videos on using paper mache over polystyrene for making the terrain, so I am going down that route for my layout.

One thing I wanted to point out is that I have soldered the joins to remove the use of fishplates as they are not used in the real world. There are about 6 pairs of soldered joints for this much laid so far. I will post a photo later.

have a good afternoon.
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Depends on the period your modelling Steve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishplate

Modern welded rail also has expansion joints to allow movement with temperature changes.

If you solder all your joints and the room where the layout is sited gets hot, your rails may buckle.



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Hello Ed
Thank you for the info. I had not actually looked up what a fishplate looks like in the real world.
I expect some rail modellers do stick a fishplate looking plate to the side of their joins.



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Afternoon all.

The layout posted above on 22 August still stands with a few minor adjustments to the exact position of the track at the back, so it has some slight curves rather than being so straight on each side. The red rectangle on the right represents two Hornby 3-arch viaducts that will not be included as it will face the raised wooden structure of the adjacent curved track section to its left. It just won't look right if I include the viaduct. This week I received a purchase of points that will complete the track needed to build this layout - 4 peco streamline SL-96 and 2 peco setrack for £35, which I thought pretty reasonable as most are nearly new.

This week I became most excited when reading extensively on how to wire the layout. Very much looking forward to doing this! I have only laid as much as posted so far. That section will be the Town Station. Having learnt about wiring 'modules' or 'districts' with insulating joiners, I set to work on drawing a panel layout and how I want to divide it into areas for powering. I will take the route of having two main controllers and each area connected to a DPDT toggle switch for either controller, while the middle for the coal/goods/shunting/turntable will be to a different controller. Also have read this article ( http://www.scottpages.net/ReviewOfControllers.html ) that a Hornby R965 is very good for slow shunting and so would work well in this area. I may make use of a console enclosure ( http://cpc.farnell.com/1/1/118279-retex-33020103-sloped-console-grey-268x117-5x185mm.html ) I bought many years ago in my college years which was intended for a multifunction item: PSU/function generator and the likes, all very useful for the budding electronics engineer I was - although I did not attain engineer level. This enclosure would look the business for a layout with indicators and so on. I also found many resources on making a good controller but that is alot more work - one for the future perhaps.

In other news, a few weeks ago Hannah and I (plus her father who is planning a layout also) went to the Great Electric Train Show at Gaydon, Warwickshire which is held in the Heritage Motor Centre building. This was our first exhibition we'd been to and we were both struck by how much there was to see. While there I bought a Metcalfe footbridge which will be part of the Town Station. There were alot of pre owned items that were reasonably priced and of course lots of layouts to pour over!

More to follow - I hope to soon have something to show for my reasearch.



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Evening all


Above is the first concept of the control panel layout.

Lots going on!

As mentioned in my last post, I have looked into making my own controller and today used my protoblock to put one together and try it. Works quite well, better than the generic Hornby controllers that I have what with the inertia control.


 Time for bed!



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Afternoon all.

Been making alot of progress on my railway layout. Will psot some photos another time.

Worked out alot of things and alot of research has been the case of most evenings. Decided how I will divide the track into blocks as this will be a DC control system and I want to be able to have more than just 1 loco on any one branch at a time - as we all do.

I have laid a fair bit more track and much of the landscaping is done for the elevated areas, but I need to complete the paper mache work then I can keep laying track; all track has been Peco flexi track and mostly Peco short length points or some that are the middle length - I am not familar with the codes as they're not on the underside like Hornby. Then I have some standard length Hornby points also. Ideally I will not use any set track pieces.

Recently I made my first tree - very exciting. This I did using a thick piece of copper wire as a trunk then wraping a turn of thin wire around it for branches and soldering them on as I add them. Then used some good foliage cover in carefully selected shapes to glue to the wire branches.

...the glue I use is a quick set craft glue. I use it to fix track onto which is on 2mm cork underlay. Also use it for making card buildings etc.

Have also made a church I had for Christmas (this lead to having to adjust the layout to allow room for it); a Metcalfe Parish Chuch, which I printed onto acetate some stained glass windows I found online and carefully resizing them to suit, to make it all the more realistic as the usual windows are clear with some black lead work for some effect at least.

Today I received 50 'grain of wheat' bulbs that will illuminate the church inside as well as other areas. The effect will be good in the evenings.

I made use of the paperbricks.co.uk site (made a donation) and saved a few designs including stone walling for inside the two tunnels which are lined with the print which is on good coated matt thick paper (the Ice brand I found on ebay and had good reviews on Amazon - very good detail from my experience).

The tunnels will have small 'warm white' LEDs on the ceiling roof which I saw quite cheaply on ebay as a battery operated set.

Hannah has not contributed to much - apart from using some acrylic paints for her own things. I think she's looking forward to just playing with trains! I am looking forward to operating the tipper and conveyor for coal collections and drops.

Yet to decide is the location of the post bag collection/drop points.

I am aware that the slopes I have in one area is quite steep so I searched online for something to help the locos climb the slopes. I quickly found Bullfrog Snot - pleasant, hu?! This I hear is like liquid latex. Bullfrog Snot is really expensive while a small bottle of liquid latex is less than £5. I bought some of the latter this week. Will report on the performance when I receive it and try it.

Still lots going on and still lots more to do. I really enjoy this! If it were done in a week it'd be boring I think.

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Good evening.

We have been to another exhibition sometime ago. Saw lots and had further ideas on what I am creating. My girlfriend, Hannah, has had even less time to look at the layout let alone join me to make something. It's kind of become 'my' layout now.

Sorry for not posting anything in a while, been busy with other things. In particular with the longer days and warm dry weather, I have been working on woodwork projects at home. I recently bought a pre-owned planer which will make things easier for projects. It goes with my homemade table saw and many other tools I've bought over the years - all for another forum! Woodworking is my main interest in adulthood, however, electronics was my first love...

This week I have been making a first knock up of a controller that I found a circuit for and have been tinkering with its components to make it work my way. This will be complete this weekend along with a power supply.

Will post some photos of these and other things, as they come together this weekend.

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Hello all.

Here is the completed first controller, with an old Hornby Flying Scotsman in the background.



Yes - it is built into a translucent blue case! This is for the tourists so they can see what is in there. I just made use of what I already have in my electronics space in the loft which is where I am posting this from.
The controller has the obvious fw/rev and speed control plus an inertia on the left slide switch which gives 3 levels of inertia. Makes the driving all the more real. I have learnt that I can make hi/lo speed control selector, but that is for the next one. The next one will probably be a standard version, then the one after that will be my proper one built into a wooden case, maybe. I think that a slide potentiometer will be preferred over a rotary one for speed control. What's your preference?

For the rest of the day: power supply to continue, more track laying and block wiring to do, consider the control panel and also consider making a first off control panel which always helps to see what is preferred in operation etc. Same as I find out for the controller.

Hope you are all having a good day.



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Evening all

Just been working further on this 3d environment model of my layout, with adding a control panel, using software called Bryce (from Daz3d) that I have been using for years to design many projects - since then a well known search engine company came up with free software to do something like it, plus there are others available that are now free and frankly better.



Anyway, this time using Bryce to design the control panel by with considering the size of some circuit boards I will be making (veroboard ones) for point control and block control and a power supply. Then thinking where the switches/LEDs will be on a board behind the panel. I May buy some PCB etching materials as I did in my earlier days and make the latter part.

The Panel is seen in the foreground with the block control rotary switches at the top of it that indicate the section that you can power - for any of three controllers. That part was drawn on a whiteboard with magnetic Scrabble letters for the blocks (that can be seen), then photographed it and imported the image to the object of the block control part of the panel. One thing I noted just now is that a point should be green for 'main and red for 'side'...is that right?

This second image is close up of the panel. The panel is a module, (it is not complete here no sides!). Just really wanted to share some work on designing it. Again, the images pasted on are just representative. The green background image of the layout is created with powerpoint with 3d effect to the switches (push buttons with electronic control but may change to centre off toggles for simplicity) and you can just see the breaks in the grey lines of track where the blocks end. The rotary switches at the top as mentioned are modelled so I could see the amount of space I need behind the panel. The slope of the panel is 15 degrees, just in case you wanted to know :)



The panel will be hung onto the front in some way that it detatches when being put away. So it will have mains power into it, then outputs to the layout structure from there via short umbilical cable ending to a plugs/sockets that connects to the structure.

I go to bed now, quite chuffed - probably won't sleep for thinking of it for sometime for wanting to improve something! :roll:

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Hi everyone.

It has been much too long since I even looked on the YMR forum but we have been busy getting moved. That is in fact still progressing as we hope to make an offer on a house this week.

Sadly, the railway was took down from its place in the back room but it will return victorious! I expect the layout will change - bigger or smaller - once we have moved.

Very much missing building the layout.

More to follow.
Hope you are all been enjoying the hobby since I last caught up with you.

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Good luck with moving Steve.

Hopefully you'll end up with room for a bigger layout.

You can never have enough room for a model railway :mutley




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Hi Ed.

Thanks. Fingers crossed. I am hoping for more space for the layout! you are quite right.

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