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 Posted: Tue May 26th, 2015 12:45 am
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Hi railway-ers
Steven here and my first adulthood layout. I lost interest as a young boy and found interests in other toys and probably girls, but that's another story! Now I am in my 30's I was bought a set by the other half at Christmas 2014, a Hornby Caledonian Belle of oo gauge. 
In our 2 bed flat, there is no such thing as a 'spare room' so I thought about about folding layout that could go under the sofa, then thought of hanging it from the back room ceiling. Having found that a hoist of sufficient lifting capacity could be bought for about £60 this I felt was the best method and would allow a layout to be as big as possible; 2.3m x 1.9m. This was about a month ago and I put up some 25mm stainless pulleys that have a loop top and pin through them to hold them to the side parts of pulley. With 8mm x 100mm screw eyes into joist of the ceiling for the pulleys to hang from, this was plenty strong enough and I have gone with 2mm steel rope - rated to 130kg and obviously there are 4 points for it all to hang from. The hoist (Silverline one, easy to find searching online) has 4x M8 x 100mm bolts into it to bolt it to the wall from the other side! I have yet to fill those holes as I will monitor them in case the move or need tightening. The finished shape frame has a middle opening so I can reach the back. Primarily the operation will likely be from the front edge. The whole area will be encompassed by edge boards that will be painted and will be neat in appearance.
I have thought that I need to incorporate legs for the structure so it can stand on it's own once down. I have some ideas on this; wooden legs, they will fold down on hinges, with another angled piece to keep them vertical, like a fold out camping table. Then when stowing, they would be held up by some push in/out catches. 
The intention is that the underside will be neat being painted white. The middle opening allows the light in the room to hang through. I haven't stated that the room is bigger than the layout, by a bookcase along the width and about 0.9m when standing at the layout, as there are two double closets in the room and obviously the room door is on that side.
I am hoping to use Gormo's manual point control method which is really nice method - no motors here thank you! Even a turntable may be used and I'd like to gear that by the point controls to.
I will add photos soon.Comments and suggestions of course welcome.
I really must go and get ready for work tomorrow - we need to make our lunch and it's half nine... The bank holiday weekend is over...:cry:



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G`day Steve,
All of that sounds good. Your first steps with the pulley system ,indicate to me, that you would rather do a job properly and get it right the first time......well done:thumbs:thumbs.

I assume, from your comment re painting the underside white to match the ceiling, would indicate that you might put some removable flat panels underneath to give a flat / flush effect.???? Once wiring and connections are done under the baseboard, I don`t think you will need to spend much time under there, so the panels would be a nice way to improve the look of the room.

I think the ability to raise the railway to anywhere up to ceiling height will be handy for working underneath. Most of us end up on our knees on the floor in all sorts of awkward positions, trying to sort things out. So the height will be an advantage similar to a mechanics hoist.The only thing you may have to watch in the future is your scenery height. You don`t want to flatten a hill by trying to push it through the ceiling..:mutley

Sounds good so far.......keep us posted and don`t forget to upload some pics when you get going proper.

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Hello fellow railway modelers.

I thought I'd give a quick update as soon we go away for a fortnight and as I've got a woodwork job to complete before we go, I doubt I'll get anywhere with the railway project. Gutted! We depart on Friday 12th and will be busy getting ready for then.

Watch this space will try to take some photos of where I'm up to before we go away.



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Hello all
I finally got the woodwork job done and the back room is mine once more!
Tonight I took some photos...

This is a panoramic view as the room is only about 8ft square.
That centre square is about 550 x 550 mm and will be an access well. The room light will be moved to the centre of the well via a hook in the ceiling where I will have put longer cable on the light for it and it'll hang a bit lower to. The underside of the frame is about 400mm from the ceiling.

Doorway view

Sorry it's a bit bright in this shot.

Close-up of the corner anchors. These are M5 eye bolts with mudguard washers underneath. I used doubl clamps on the rope for double peace of mind!


Here's a wide view of it all from the doorway. The board on the frame is 6mm MDF and is a full 8x4 ft. Frame size is 2382mm x 1970mm, using 44mm deep (high) softwood, the lengths are 34 wide and the width pieces are 20mm, then more of the latter braces the widths.

There are some things on there - what a tease...
Out of the photo to the left is a box of Peco flex-track,
The brown box is lots of scenery, including the two viaduct kits,
The white box is lots of track of varying types, all ebay auction wins.
You might see the Hornby box that is the Caledonian Belle set
Note the double crossing I put together having seen what others are doing. Quite pleased with it, but it got me reading about electrofrog and insulfrog...I've alot of reading/research to do.

This is the hoist bolted through the wall
(from the hallway), with M8 bolts. This is a Silverline product and is capable of 125kg as it is. It could be pulling the cable join (next photo) via a pulley that the hoist rope goes around and hooks onto the hoist frame and this would double its lifting capacity - if you get me. I do not think I will have 120kg on it let alone 250...!


And this is the join of the hoist cable of 4mm steel rope to 4 rope clamps through a 5mm bolt, for the 2mm stainless steel ropes -rated about 100kg. The latter are PVC coated. Wishing I'd got white coated not clear though. D'oh!!


This view shows the two 60mm bearing pulleys in the ceiling via dowel screws (machine to wood thread) of 8mm diameter and nyloc nuts on the end. You can also see one of the stainless steel 25mm pulleys in the corner, most commonly found in marine applications - I am not expecting the sea to rise to here anytime soon but they are darn strong! The corner pulleys are in via strong stainless welded eye bolts of 8mm x 100mm long wood thread screw into the joists of course.


This is one of the push in/out latches that I had the idea of using to acheive drop-down legs on the underside. The frame will need some adjustment for them where they would be situated in the width, being about 850mm long, and would come up flush on the underside. These are not big but seem quite strong and the legs will only be softwood. I have ordered some leg braces to keep them out straight when they are folded down and most of the time the layout will be out anyway.


This final photo is a close up of a Metcalfe goods shed I made some months ago - Christmas present.
The 50mm thick polystyrene panel is on the surface. Will be good for making some hills/tunnels etc. You might have noticed that it is broken in about 4 pieces - oh the joys of strapping stuff to the roof for the trip from Wickes in Braintree to Halstead, when the wind is blowing a gale!!
The box of Peco flex-track is visible to the left in this photo.


Hope you enjoyed the photos.
More to follow next month, as we go away this Friday... Just when it is getin' good!

 Steve



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Oh My gosh Steve!!! That's Genius!!!



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Thank you, Darius. I am not the first to have a hoisted layout, but possibly one of few to put it in such a tight space!!
The frame will come down when moving or decorating, and just about fits through the doorway on the long edge.
I had since thought that i might have achieved a larger layout in our main bedroom, but that might be going too far so soon!
I am hoping we'll move to a house in the next year.
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Hello folks
While on holiday, I am on the lookout for anything model railway related. We have visited Bourton where there is a nice shop of many toys and they have several rail layouts.
I am wondering that if I scratchbuild with balsa, what paint do I use? I have watched a few tutorials on this and they used acrylic for some things while other parts called for a stain in a container that is then diluted and the balsa wood soaked.
Any help would be great.
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Hi Steve

Like the pulleys - you and Gormo are going to get on like a house on fire.

Didn't spot if you have sorted the leg issue, as a temp measure in the past I have use saw horses

http://www.diy.com/departments/bq-sawhorse-workbench/195547_BQ.prd

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Hello Paul
I aim to make the legs before I get too far into layout experimenting. It'll be easier now than later. I am awaiting some more parts to arrive. I do like your suggestion of saw horses as a temporary measure.



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G`day Steve,

You`re off to a flying start. I like your hoist arrangement .......very ingenious:thumbs:thumbs:thumbs.

I assume the brackets for the legs would be something like those used for a folding card table. We have them in Oz......not sure if you have them over there. They are more like folding stays than brackets I guess but they brace the legs well enough.

Well done my friend.:doublethumb:doublethumb:doublethumb:doublethumb

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Cheers Gormo.
Can you advice me on scratchbuilding and what paint to use on balsa wood?



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Hi Steve,  Balsa wood has a very soft , porous grain which swells up when you paint straight on to it and can be a Pita to sand smooth again. Prep it first using a sanding sealer and sand down using fine grade wet and dry, 2.  3. Or 4 coats till your happy with the finish. This seals the wood grain so your paint won't soak in and swell the wood. You should be OK with your acrylics then               Cheers                                                                                                                                                                                            Matt

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G`day Steve,

Sorry....can`t help there.....not my area of expertise.

It looks like Matt has got it sorted anyway.

:cheers  Gormo



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Thanks Matt. I will obtain a set of acrylic paints and sealer.
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No probe, practice on a scrap piece first until your happy with the results your getting. Don't want you ruining that first attempt at scratch building :thumbs

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Thanks again, Matt.
Today we came across a large independent toy and craft shop in Dorchester. It was packed floor to ceiling with goodies.
I bought a big bag of granite ballast and other scenery, plus paints and sanding sealer.
Looking forward to experimenting when we return home on Friday.
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Hello Railway-ers

We returned from holdiay on Friday. After much unpacking, I returned to some of the building work on the layout. The framework now has 6mm MDF panels on the whole area and a centre access well, which may be used for operating to.

Then spent most of the weekend playing about with the track we have. Hannah my girlfriend was working but will join in when I have completed the 'technical' bits, meaning the contruction work for the track to be on.

The leg braces arrived and are exactly what I need. Hope to cut the legs this week. Since then I ordered 4 hinges for the legs, then also a Dapol 10" turntable kit, 10m roll of 100mm wide cork of 3mm thick and a pack of Horby track pins. I was just reading a recent thread on track cutting but they look like typical electricians cutters to me.

The possible layout is perhaps half way planned and where I have areas that have no track, I might just cut those areas of MDF out to save weight. I said to Hannah that she can design her own station with fiddle yard near the front edge, and I will have one near the middle with the turntable. She is looking forward to operating her Thomas the Tank Engine she bought on ebay!! [rolling my eyes]

Speaking of turntables - I have the idea to mechanise mine, along with having the levers for point control as I saw Gormo doing.

I did take some quick photos but will upload them and more in the next week.

The fun continues...
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Hi Steve

Have a look at the raspberry pi + stepper motor

http://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi/breakout-boards/mypishop/mypi-step-your-pi-stepper-motor-and-driver-board

£8.99 = p&p gets you a dual stepper motor driver board + stepper motor. Even with direct drive it takes 512 steps to complete 1 revolution or 0.7 degrees per step
Output shaft size of the motor is 5mm, so you could easily get a toothed belt and pulleys to give further reduction and even finer resolution.
Programming on the Pi is via python and if I can get the moptor to turn backwards and forwards anyone can.

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Hi Paul.
Sounds good. I had not thought of the pi for this. There's probably a good number of rail modellers using them. They'd be good for point control and lights, lots of things.
Will look into it. Cheers



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Hi all

The Dapol turntable arrived this week and I worked on making it as soon as I had time. The alignment of the moulded parts is not good at all in fact I am really unimpressed with it. This goes for the wheels to, so I was just reading this (http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=259&forum_id=7&page=1 ) post about the Peco kit, which sounds promising. Just wondering if my frame is deep enough for it, which is 44mm with 6mm top surface? I am hoping to motorise it one day.

Other than that, the legs were made yesterday and the leg braces have worked a treat on them to keep the legs, well, braced! Also got a roll of cork for underlay which looks like it'll work well and a pack of Hornby track pins for the track that'll be on the surface direct (with cork).

A few other things to do soon, is put up a light shade in the room. I moved the light so there is a hook in the ceiling so the light will hang in the centre of the layout where the well is in it. I shall have to move some pictures too I think.

More to follow...



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