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 Posted: Mon Dec 8th, 2014 03:16 pm
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Hello all,
I met John Fownes from Nottingham who makes locos from card at a show and thought oooohhh I must have a go at doing this myself.
This is what I started with, the wheels are Hornby with every other spoke cut out, the tank and cab sides a drawing stuck to Ryman's mount card and the chassis sides from artists mount board.

The card is painted with shellac flakes dissolved in meths.
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This look interesting. Might have a go at it myself one of these days. Will be watching this with interest.



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Hello Mick,

Thanks for your interest I'll be posting more soon.

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Thanks Jim. I once made a GWR Outside-framed Brake Van in card for O Gauge. It was an interesting project and after sufficient weighting it worked quit well. Unfortunately I no longer have it as I passed it on to a friend in about 1980.



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Aye, fascinating stuff. I'll be watching too.

There's bound to be something to learn!

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Hello Jim,
Looks a very interesting project - I built a body for Ffestiniog Prince from card using the same technique but sadly made an error in calculating the chassis so body and chassis never married ...:sad:

Y7 is a beautiful little loco so I thought about following in your footsteps - where did you find the scale drawings? Could you share them or are they copyright.

Thanks - i will follow your thread with great interest.

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P.S. What I did back then is that I applied the disolved shellac using an airbrush which produced a fantastic finish. If I find the body I'll post som photographs later.

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Hello again,

here are some photos of my Prince body:







The model is 7mm NarrowGauge - but as mentioned I couldn't marry it to the proposed Hornby Smokey Joe Chassis - so the model remains unfinished ...

... and sorry for hijacking your thread - thought it could be of interest.

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Hello Marty and Max,

Thanks for your interest.

Hello Helmut,

It's a very good model and I don't mind in the least, It's nice to see what other people do. And in my opnion far more worthy of a better chassis than the Hornby offering.

The Y7 drawing is from the North Sunderland Rly book and the drawings in it are intended for modellers to use. If you could PM me your email address I willgladly send the drawing to you.

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Very interesting Jim.  You probably already know that shellac can be bought, ready-made, as French Polish. Looking forward to seeing how the loco progresses.

Terry

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Hello Terry,

You're right about the Button Polish, it is possible to buy the flakes on Ebay now I noticed someone selling them a few months ago.


Hello all,

One of the things that concerned me was making a boiler I'd made previous locos from Plastikard and rolled and bent that best I could to make them.

I got some 220 GSM cartridge paper soaked it in water painted some white glue onto it and wrapped it around a bit of plastic pipe and left it overnight.

In the morning it had set quite hard and was quite difficult to pull off the tube, having got it off I thought I'd cut out the bit where a motor might go and did that with a craft knife. To my surprise and unlike the Plastikard it stayed in shape.




After that Eileen suggested some cling film on the tube and I made a better job of pregluing the paper to make the (Mk4) boiler that's now on the Y7.

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Hello Jim,

what I did to roll boilers or the delicate tubes in the front of the loco is to soak 0.5 mm bristol board in water for an hour or so and the wrap it around a woden dowel/forner or similar (very carfully as the card is very vulnurable when wet), hold it for a while and then remove the card from the dowel while wet. I leave the card to dry over night and then glue the tube with PVA. I leave it to dry thoroughly. At last I spray the boiler with diluted shellac from inside and outside several times with my airbrush which leaves a very strong structure...

Hope that helps

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Hello Helmut,

Thanks for your information, it just goes to show that there are as many ways to do things as there are people to do them :-) I do most of my modelling on the dining room table so I use a brush to put the shellac on. I keep two containers one with the shellac as varnish in and one with some meths in. I use the latter to clean the brush which gradually gets more shellac in it so that when I run out that becomes the new varnish.

Hello all,

This is the stage I got to before I had to start assembling it all into a loco body, the thin bits are Ryman's mount board with is just under 1.0 mm thick. Most of it has been glued with white PVA glue for some bits though like the chimney I used Seccotine.



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Coming on a treat Jim :thumbs. Looking forward to the next instalment.

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Hi Jim,
     I was looking at super glue as a good card/paper hardener as opposed to shellac, i meant to mention this the last time we chatted, i read that, super glue will not evaporate if the top is left off, or any open container,  have not tried this so have to go on what they say; have used super glue on small card/paper items to great effect, after you can drill sand etc etc, prices aren't to bad for large quantities either.................
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Hello Tom,

Thanks for the information, one of the reasons I use shellac is that the next coat dissolves into the one below, it's very easy to apply as well.

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Hi Jim,
       MMMmmmmmmmmmmm, yes see what you mean, i find two types of shellac lemon and orange, which is better?, or, both in this application, being as good as one another??; what do you find is the max thickness of card you can use in your, mine is an Epson B1100 A3 office model........
                                                       Best regards and thanks..............Tom......:);-):cool:

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Hello Tom,

I bought some shellac years ago and can't remember which sort it was, I don't print onto card just onto Tesco's cheapo paper and then stick that to card, I only did that for the tank/cab sides it was easier to do it rather than draw it out on the card.

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Hello all,

Here's a pic of the chassis assembled to see if it would work. The bushes are 0 Gauge 3/16" ones with some 3/16" to 1/8" brass tube soldered in to reduce them to the Hornby axle size, the axles themselves are silver steel.



Under the bits where the cab and the smokebox will be there's lots of little lead strips, I scrounged a big old piece of roofing lead from a friend.

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