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I have been playing around with Anyrail to create a small ( ish ) layout on an 8 x 2 baseboard. I ain't doing it ( yet ) but with all these smaller layouts sprouting up I thought it may be fun to have a go at drafting one myself. 8 x 2 ain't tiny but compared with the R & GLR it is smallish. 
I have a back wall in the shed ( at high level ) which could store this on wall brackets and it would not get in the way of the operating of the R & GLR.
If it ever comes to fruition, I thought of experimenting with a light weight baseboard construction of 3mm ply ( braced and a overall surface of maybe 1 inch polystyrene ).


I am definitely just playing about with Anyrail to give me something to do whilst I'm away but what do you think anyway. the type of small industry has not been decided but it will be small as the fiddle yard lanes are short. the biggest thing that would run on it would be a 2 car ( or maybe even 1 car ) DMU Class 03, 04, 08 shunters and a class 22, 25 or something smilar.
In theory this would be used to try out different building methods than what has went before on the R & GLR
your comments are welcome as always.

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My initial impression is that it looks very "busy" Toto - maybe that's what you wanted but to me, it looks a little "crowded" ............:roll::roll:  Also, assuming it's "OO" gauge, a point needs around 9 inches to a foot so you'd probably struggle to get that lot into an 8ft length - in spite of what Anyrail says .....................;-)

In real life, pointwork is expensive to build so they would really have to need them or they wouldn't build them.

I too am thinking along the lines of a "shunting plank" - like you, to practice building various structures and trackwork,  but also, to have some fun "shunting" . ;-)

Regarding your lightweight baseboard - I'd shy away from polystyrene as a surface (unless you can get the high density stuff) in favour of styrofoam (extruded polystyrene rather than expanded polystyrene :roll:).  Polystyrene is funny stuff.  Doesn't take anything well - pins, glues, weight or even cutting.  Styrofoam (I think a Dow trade name for extruded polystyrene) on the other hand, is much tougher.  Whilst it won't take many glues, it will offer some hold for pins and can stand carving and weight.  Inch for inch thickness-wise, it's much tougher stuff.

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Hi Petermac,

Thanks for the comments. On looking at it and taking on board what you say with regards to how busy it is, you are probably right. When I started looking at this, I had much humbler idea's for the track plan which in essence is what makes these planks so workable. However, it does not take much to start getting carried away with things ...... As has happened here.

All your comments with regards to the polystyrene are also coming back via previous comments in similar discussions on other posts. I think I will put the above to bed and seek something a bit more minimalistic which can still offer adequate shunting activities. I'm sure one must exist :mutley.

Back to the drawing board

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CJ Freezers 'Miniories' could be favourite. Or something derived from that.

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Hi Bittern,


I will need to investigate :mutley simplicity but interesting are the watch words.

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Minories in its original form was an inner city terminus, albeit for short trains.

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Has anybody either on YMRC done a similar plan or are there any elsewhere that you are aware of. It would be interesting to have a look.

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Found this on that other place. Might make interesting reading!!
http://rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=38059

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G`day Toto,
               During my active term with that other railway forum, I was quite impressed with the monumental output of track plans by Hugh Flynn. He seemed to favour shunting layouts like the type you are proposing. I will place a link here for you. There are approx 34 web pages of layouts with accompanying text, so you should find some inspiration there.

    http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=24472

:cheers   Gormo

PS....they are drawn with Xtrack Cad I think???

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Hi Gormo,

What an excellent site. There has to be something there for everyone. I have only had a whistle stop tour of it so far as it is very extensive but I will be going back to it again over the next few days to give it the attention that it deserves.

So many great possibilities.

Many thanks for posting this link. ........ Tremendous.

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Hi Gormo,


on closer inspection there are a couple of Diesel depots about 5ft in length that look quite interesting. One has a traverser plate though.
How are these incorporated into a baseboard ? looks a bit tricky. getting the mechanism right in order to create a good solid transition from board to board or rail to rail. I don't know if my carpentry skills are good enough to create a system that would avoid any slop in the motion.


I'll maybe play about with some sketches and see what I can come up with.


Once again, an excellent site ............. spoilt for choice and some could be progressed quite quickly to a reasonable state of completeness. Maybe in the future once the R & GLR is at least operating phase one properly. A project to be progressed in tandem maybe. I have enough track etc left over and a few sets of points and one or two extra cobalts.  I may even have the plywood for the plank itself. its a thought.


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Here is one of the track plans that I have copied from the above link ( full credit to Hugh Flynn please ) in Anyrail which is on a baseboard of 8ft by approx. 20 inches or so.






There would be a retaining wall between the steel dist depot and the scenic break for the traverser and an overhead pipeline which you can maybe just see running up diagonally from the corner of the warehouse in front of the traverser. you could squeeze a further siding off the main incoming line at the bottom if wanted I suppose but would you really need it ?

The steel industry could be substituted by any number of other industry options.













I think that this could be built in a reasonable time even by someone with limited experience. The buildings would be the big challenge for me. DC or DCC ? My heart tells me DCC as I am converting all my loco's that way. With minimal turnouts, this could give an opportunity to attempt rod and tube method. Another big challenge would be the incorporation of a reliable transverser.






maybe's aye, maybe's naw.






comments ?






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Hi Toto,

One thing I noticed with your plan at the beginning of the thread is that there is not enough length in the sidings at each end of the board. This would make shunting quite difficult. Something to consider is having a few sidings of different lengths. These siding lengths are determined by the loco and a nominated quantity of wagons that can be stored or shunted into. The simple diagram below will give you an idea regarding shunting limitations. When designing/planning a plank, measure everything out on the baseboard using points and a variety of wagons and locos. This will let you know if it will work sufficiently.



As for shunting layouts, take a look at this ; http://www.wymann.info/ShuntingPuzzles/sw-timesaver.html This is the original timesaver layout, but ofcourse it can be adapted to suit your needs. Another great site to browse through is this ; http://www.carendt.com/ Click on images or one of the headings, ie, 'Micro Layout Design Gallery' which will give you some inspiration.

If you can get hold of Railway Modeller Vol 65 No.765, there is a great little Inglenook layout in there.

Cheers, Gary.

 

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G`day Toto,
              I`m glad you have found something of interest there. When I used to follow Hugh Flynn`s topic, I could not believe how quick he was at knocking up these plans. People would put in a request for a plan and overnight, or at the latest within a couple of days ,he would have it done.
              The trouble was, I thought in the end this cannot last. So many requests were coming in and I thought it was a bit unfair on him......and then.....no more......so possibly he decided enough was enough......don`t know????.......But what a great lot of plans he has left us all with.......well done Hugh.
            Traversers Toto........I would suggest a good deal of research there. It`s not something I have thought about in great detail but I am sure somebody on this forum will have the details for you. I made an extremely simple one years ago which was actually a hybrid. It was a sliding fiddle yard that could also revolve and it was out of view. It was used on my son`s 6 foot shunting layout. I made it by simply sitting one piece of laminated particle board (with track fixed to it ) on top of another piece of laminated particle board. No bracing....no bearings....no motors....all hand operated with alligator clips to make the connections. It was secured with one bolt. There was a single bolt hole in the top piece and a slot for the bolt in the bottom piece which allowed it to slide and also rotate. It was not precise by any means but it worked a treat. I guess technically, that`s not a traverser, but it shows that these things don`t have to be great technical achievements to work properly.
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This plan you have (steel mill) looks good. :thumbs Rather than use a traverser, why not use a sector plate ? This would be far simpler to operate, via wire in tube.

Cheers, Gary.

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G`day Toto,
                Just to wet your appetite......here is one of Hugh`s little layouts

    http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/29815-oil-drum-lane-new-layout-for-pontefract-show/


   And my favourite which is only 6 foot long......track plan is on page 2


       http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/15961-balvenie/

:cheers  Gormo

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Hi Gormo,


they are both excellent but Oil drum lane has the edge for me. great layout and superb modelling. what a skill.


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Another take on the planky thingy









We've got a right load of Plankers on the forum


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G`day Toto,
   This planky thingy layout doover whats it.....have you considered a removable cassette system as shown on your modified plan below. You could gain 3 roads over 3 feet in length and you can have any number of pre- loaded cassettes.
  Just an idea......toss it around mate.



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Hi Gormo,

Thanks again for your suggestion which as always is appreciated. I've had a pm from Gary with an idea as well which I am going to upload onto Anyrail for posting later.

Let me get it done and posted and then we can have a look at the wisdom of both.:mutley

I will be back ASAP.

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Here is the latest idea I had for a smaller layout. based on 7 feet by 18 inches but could shrink a bit to get closer to a plank size. especially if the buildings were low relief. The cutting on the approach was to allow for modelling of low level retaining walls and a kind of hillside which would give the chance to model a bit more greenery. trees, grass gorse etc. There could be a bridge in there as well.


just something to play with.













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I like the look of the last one Tom , It gives you the shunting puzzle ,is not too complicated as some of the previous ones seemed, and gives you greatest potential for practising your scenic skills which was one of your original intentions. The buildings etc could be removable so you can practice various building methods on the one plank and change them as you wish or as your skills improve. The top , left track could even incorporate a short section of platform ( just  the end) to hint at a station or halt, off scene ..again removable so you can try various methods of build
Just my threepence worth
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Hi Matt,


I was going to keep that area for a nudist beach as well....... oh well I suppose.


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Just to add a thought, at 7' you would still have room in the future to add a separate board ( module ) at one end or  the other.. Right side a sector plate / fiddle yard..left end a scenic run with the rest of the station modelled.... So at least two of the 3 boards would still fit on the shelf in your shed...add a shuttle unit with the station board..you have a mini end to end diorama to entertain ..remove scenic board and add fiddle yard and you have a shunting plank...take them out ..put all three in the car ..you have an exebition plank :cool:
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Hi Matt,


exhibition plank !!!! you crack me up at times. You should go on Britains got talent. or at least appear in the Edinburgh fringe festival in one of the comedy venues. Ahhhh......... I laughed until I stopped......

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That last plan looks much better, you say you want to use it as practice for scenery and buildings but some of your more busier plans have no room for buildings or scenery :-)

Less track and more scenery would be best for this plank as a practice piece

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Hi Andy,


that is the idea for thinning it out. Before hand I done my usual and flooded the board with track. This time around I restrained myself as far as track went and split the available space 50 / 50 for scenery and structures. Again, this is just playing around at the moment and would not get of the drawing board until The R & GLR lower level has been wired and tested etc. Just prior to constructing the upper baseboard level. I just want to get some experience of the basics, ballasting, walling, grassing, maybe some small rock out crops.


I will be using chicken wire and plaster bandage for the cutting area. the building / structure types have not been decided yet. I would also like to attempt wire in tube for the points. Similar to Gary's method.
one big experimenting ground.


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"I will be using chicken wire and plaster bandage for the cutting area."

Chicken wire? That's hard work.  Why do you want scenery strong enough to jump on? Why not just use card strips on card formers, covered with paper towels brushed with PVA, or plaster bandage? Much easier and quicker.  Like this...


 

Covered in paper towels, brushed with PVA...




End result...




Hope this helps Toto.

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Absolutely excellent terry.


I like the finished result. the grasses are not too bling. A nice muted colour and much more realistic as the brighter tones that you can get. The cardboard lattice work looks easy enough. The only reason I mentioned chicken wire is that I have a full roll of the stuff already but experimenting is the name if the game. the cardboard would certainly be easier to work with and shape.


Like I said ....... a terrific finish.


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Despite feeling like you are side tracking away from the main layout Tom, doing a practice plank is well worth the effort. You can make the mistakes on it, bodge it, fix it, play with it, learn from it and in the end have something to show visitors "this is what the whole layout is going to be like one day".
I did.... and do. :lol:

I still look at the Pentrecourt Halt diorama and ask myself "did I really make that?!" 

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Hi Marty,


don't believe I've seen your diorama. I presume its on the forum. I'll need to have a search for it. I had suggested doing this before but I think the R & GLR needed most of my attention as I still had the shed issues at the time. However, with that fixed and the R & GLR now approaching a position where there will be a natural break in it. ie the completion of the lower level.


I think when that has been done and its not that far away, I will go for it. I think it will be good fun as it is a layout that should be able to be built and at a stage to operate quite quickly. Not necessarily anywhere near finished but the main infrastructure in and operating.


it will be interesting to see how it goes.


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Here you go Tom, 16 pages to help you sleep :lol:

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=1661&forum_id=52

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Thanks Marty,


That's for tonight when I get home. I have had a quick run through some of it and as I suspected another master lesson on " how to " fantastic. I could be back with some queries later.


cheers for now


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Here is another take on the same track plan
possibly better as the potential for scenery is better still as the layout is not so cluttered with buildings.



What do you think. This could hold more smaller features and details possibly. Maybe a foresters howf and a yard for machinery etc.


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The above plan with the forestry is based on an old rural line long since closed. The surrounding land has been re-utilised for dense forestry use and the old line fortunately enough was never lifted. In fact the two sidings by the mill have been a late addition.
the other legs lead off to other area's of the forestry where pre-processed trunks are transported from for either direct haulage off to outside mills or processing through the site mill for the purpose of finished timber sales.


There is further scope for further structures as the real processes are determined but this plan would be a great deal more rural than the last and lend itself to more soft landscaping potential.


the jury is out.


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Was the original standard gauge Toto?

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Hi Ed,


both would be to OO gauge. Based on baseboards of approximately 7 feet by 18 inches but that could be trimmed in a bit. Especially on the second track plan....... Forestry.


Is that any help Ed ?


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Just wondered if the prototype was a narrow gauge line.

Would have thought it unusual to have a standard gauge railway in a forestry type environment.


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Will this layout be fully operational ?? If yes, what type of couplers will you be using ? If you are intending to go down the Kadee route with couplers, you must remember that they do not like uncoupling on curves...

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Hi Ed,


a very valid point there. Not sure how to get round that one. it may just be very unprototypical. There is not eough RTR narrow gauge stuff available and I don't want to spend time trying to build my own as it would take too long and I don't think I'm up to that anyway.


Gary I would intend to use the Kadee type so maybe I'll need to see if I can straighten thins out enough without going to straight and featureless.


more thought required.


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Yet another possibility with my old favourite the scrap yard. Possibly turned 180 degrees would be better having the cutting to the back.


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Hi Tom,Interesting move to building a plank railway .Not a bad idea to get something up and running and to practice on as against the big build long haul job.
Goodluck.
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Hi Derek, just a stomping ground for the R & GLR ..... even went technicolour this time.








another variation of the same idea but which one is the more interesting ??????






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Prefer the second one Tom.

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Hi Alan,

Is that the second one on the previous page ( forestry ) or the second one on this page the quarry.

I liked the forestry one myself

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The quarry.

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:hmm let's see what the masses say. It does give a bit variance in scenics and ground cover. I like the tunnel as well.

The quarry face could be quite a challenge as well.

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Whilst the forrestry one offers plenty of modelling cameos, I actually prefer the quarry.  You have an automatic backscene in the quarry face and lots of potential with the crushers, stone heaps, machinery and assorted railway rolling stock.  I also like the tunnel because it immediately begs the question -  what's in there ?

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Thanks Petermac.

It's interesting to see other peoples take on it and The lure of the tunnel was something I never saw but yes .........where is it going ?

2 out of 2 so far.:mutley

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 Quarry Toto,

 I like it!!!!....and here is a link to a how to make rock faces.....American.....this is the first installment showing tools required....the second installment ( which should show up in the menu on right of screen) shows the process of making them.

 Enjoy!!

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1D4KBB_GC4

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Hi Gormo,

Great video's of working in foam. Any tools will do and most people would have them. He makes it look easy and gets good results. Worth a try. Terry's cardboard strapping is handy as well but maybe not as easy to get the same texture. More for surfaces which will take grass.

It's looking like the quarry is the popular scenario by far at the moment.

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The scrap yard.
Your main layout is going to be urban and you are going to do the scrapyard.

... or even a small MPD. 

That will allow you to practice the muck and grime!

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Hi Marty,

I can see the merit in the scrap yard. If I were to go for that I would need to remodel the track slightly in order to be able to use the kadee couplings properly. Not that it's a big task to do that.

As well as the scenics, couplings etc I will also be attempting the wire in tube method of point control. I know that it's not applicable to the R & GLR but the smaller nature of the layout lends itself well to trying it anyway.

Thanks for your opinion. More food for thought.

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Just to throw a spanner in the works, Marty mentioned a MPD (TMD).

Something like Alan's maybe?

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=11960&forum_id=21&highlight=MPD

It would also be somewhere to display some of your locos that weren't on the main layout.


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Hi Ed,

That would be one major undertaking. I remember looking at this for the first time and thinking .......... Jesus.

If I were to do a TMD it would have to be on a smaller scale. I like the idea of having plenty space to park up loco's etc. it would also deviate from the shunting plank idea though. All that would really be happening is shifting loco's about but I suppose there is fuelling, washing etc.

What I don't want to do is create another monster of a layout. As much as it is tempting to go the full Bhuna with the TMD the emphasis is meant to be on a plank type thingy that concentrates on the scenics rather than loads of track. :hmm
As you will probably have witnessed over the last while........I have the tendency to wander off piste.

A small rural TMD maybe but I would like to still build in some heavy scenic element. I'm thinking straight off the top of my head as I'm typing here so sorry if I'm all over the place. You've got me thinking. How do I restrict myself from going track crazy but also allowing enough to make a TMD worthwhile ?

I'll need to think a bit more on that one.

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Small 2 road rural or industrial shed and a fueling road, that's all you need mate.

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Had a quick Google Toto, here's a 4 road shed.

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/r/rowsley/index152.shtml


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The case for the TMD is building stronger. ...... I'll have a play around on Anyrail and post my results.

:hmm

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A small rural TMD





does this get the seal of approval ?


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Either the Quarry or rural Tmd for me...on the Tmd , the branch line thingy could still disappear into a tunnel...I think it adds something, as you say where does it go ?

Just my threepence worth
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I still prefer the quarry - it offers more in "scenic" terms and I like scenery !!!

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Well the lines have closed. Please ...... No more calls as you may be still charged but your vote won't count.:mutley

As much as I was swaying towards a TMD, the quarry wins. It has certainly attracted the strongest vote from the outset and the section along the door end of the R & GLR is going to have a similar theme. That section is to house a cutting where the hillside is being cut into to provide a road or something of that nature.

No Matt I won't be calling it Bedrock and their will be no guest appearances by Fred Flintstone or Barney Rubble.

I have a baseboard already in the shape of the second control panel which was made but never built as such. I'll measure it to see what the exact dimensions are and that will be the size.

There will be no work as such done until the R & GLR is on target with regards the completion of the lower level as mentioned before but hopefully that won't be too long.

Job done and thanks to everyone who chipped in with their opinion.

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:thumbs  Good decision Toto.

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Hi Peter,

Cheers. I've already got a load of materials etc for various parts of the build when it does commence so for once I shouldn't have to shell out too much.

I am favouring the use of plaster bandage where possible because I have about two ton of the stuff. I'll maybe use a mix of chicken wire and try some cardboard strip lattice work like a Terry uses. The name of the game here is experimenting. I also like the foam and plaster method of creating the rock faces etc but again, I'm trying to work with what I have rather than spend more.

Wire in tube for the points probably trying Gary's method with the switches moving the rod and activating the polarity changes. Track will be code 75 again as I have loads of it available.

I have various scatters for grass etc and an applicator so that will have its debut. I have not got ballast so that will be top of the list on the shopping front. I need to determine what colour that is likely to be.

I'll stick with DCC operation and the loco's will be restricted to an 08' an 03 and something like a 25 or similar for bringing in the empties and taking away the full. The shunter for moving them around the loading facility on site.

Wagons......I need some advice there as to what would have been use in terms of type and livery. Considering I will be using BR blue / green loco's.

I'll also need some plant and some site accommodation. Ie a canteen / toilet for the workers and maybe a site office. Possibly porta cabins if I can get them in a 1960 ish style.

I'm looking forward to this.

Cheers

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I know the voting has closed, but why not build the quarry scene, with cuttings, retaining walls and all, but instead of being a quarry, a new operator has taken over the line and is using it for a scrapyard... ?? This does happen in the real world !

One change I would make is to move the point to the branchline in between the headshunt siding and the quarry sidings. This will give you a little more operational space for arranging trains, and or bring a short train into the quarry off the branchline.



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Hi Gary,

It's certainly a different take on it. I can see the advantage in altering the track as you have demonstrated. I will amend this to suit.

I agree that certain industrial features start off as one thing and then once there is no further use for it is usually snapped up cheaply and adapted for a secondary purpose.

This could bring the best of both worlds being able to model the quarry area itself but also model the scrap yard operational side of things.

Any other opinions on this? Sounds like a win win.

Cheers

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Hi,

Has anyone done a Ruston wotsit face shovel or drag shovel kit like the one available from Langley models ?

I would like to know how difficult the kit is and what the base material is. If there are any photographs available with ANY version of this crane, I would appreciate if it could be posted. Preferably one on a layout in order to get a sense of scale.

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Toto, see here :

http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/index.html?action=search&searchtype=catID&quicksearch=884&p_start=36&sortType=3&submit=next

Cheers, Gary.

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Hi Gary,

Thanks. I was trying to find a photo of one on a layout to get a sense of scale against it. I'll continue my quest for the moment.:mutley

There is bound to be one somewhere.

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A scrapyard in a quarry. Works for me.

Less is more though or you might never get back to the main layout!


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Hi Marty,

I know what you are saying. I think the emphasis on the plank would be the scenery not so much the detailing. I'm not saying it would never be detailed but the aim would be to tryout the scenic methods and techniques and get it to a certain stage before returning my attention back to the main layout. Hopefully a bit wiser for the experience.

The track will take no time at all. Neither should the electrics. These will be kept very basic.

The main hill area's will be supported by framing and chicken wire / cardboard formers utilised to provide the initial profile. Then covered with plaster bandage.

The painting and scatter material would in my opinion take the longest as I don't have a clue about it. It's ok hearing about other peoples methods but it's quite another thing applying it.

So initially I would be " trying " to create a quarry setting with sidings and a branch line running past it. That's it.

There is still a bit to go yet before I divert any real attention to it. Right now it's just plans.
If it turns out to be a bad idea, it will be binned. The R & GLR takes priority.

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Hi,

Here is the baseboard which was the second control panel from the abandoned 1st attempt at the R & GLR.

It measures 71 inches long by 20 inches deep. So ........ just shy of 6 feet by 1 foot 8 inches..........waste not want not.



A foot shorter than the 7 feet I thought I had but shpuld still be big enough for the job. I'll keep it " in storage ";-)

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Nice ideas here Tom,Of course if its a disused quarry being taken oven then these days it would become a landfill site.
Still I like the idea of a scrap merchant plying his trade as the quarry would stay intact.
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Hi Derek,

I suppose it has a double bonus because like railways, the land was there first and the railway " built into it ". Well, on this occasion, the quarry came first and then the scrapyard adapted to suit.

I have to build the quarry first. Which I think is the biggest part of it. I get to do the scenics. The scrapyard will hopefully give me more in terms of detailing.

Of course, I could make an elephants rectum of both.:mutley

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Toto,

Why not give the styrofoam  (polystyrene foam) a go for making the land forms. It is a little messy, but can be carved quite easily to give you a rock face or a railway cutting. Plaster can then be brushed over in several layers and when 60% dry, the plaster can be brushed with a small wire brush or the slightly carved with the use of a knife to represent a craggy rock face.

To paint rock faces take a look at this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6O5mM01S9Q

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That's a great method Gary - quick and simple - just what I like. :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs

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Hi Gary,


I'll have a look at your link when I get back in tonight. Gormo sent me a link on the same and it looks like a good medium to work with. The only reason that I have been referencing the chicken wire and plaster bandage is that I have loads of both so why pay to buy something else. However, if the Styrofoam is not to expensive, I may buy some as the results do look good where I have seen it used before.
The one big benefit that I see with the Styrofoam is the ease of getting the desired end result in terms of out crops etc. It does look quite easy. The plaster bandage does tend to look a bit flat once finished and a further exercise is needed to produce a rock like effect.


I'll let you know the verdict on the link once I've had the chance to view it.


Thanks again for sending it


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Here is the revised layout plan based on Gary's suggested modification











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A further tweak. I think this works best.







any comments appreciated.


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Go with it Toto, looks OK :thumbs

Reference the chicken wire and plaster bandage, I go with that as well. As you said "why pay to buy something else".

Good practise and if you don't like it or it doesn't turn out too well, then look at Styrofoam or something else and re-do it.




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Another decision made. If I had not already had it then anything would have been considered but I have something like a 5m roll of chicken wire and at least a dozen plaster bandage which apparently has a shelf life although all packaging is still sealed.


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I'm using chicken wire bought for covering flower pots, to try and keep the squirrels from digging the bulbs out.

Like you, great long roll and loads left over, some of which is the now the framework for my embankment.


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I'll be interested in how you get on with it. don't forget the progress pictures.


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I like chicken wire as landform. :thumbs

In my experience, the plaster bandage dries much faster with chicken wire than with sheet materials,  probably because the air can circulate both above and below.  I once used some expanded polystyrene as the base and the bandage took over a week to dry ..............;-)

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Hi Petermac,

Another good thing about the chicken wire is that to a certain extent, it's self supporting. There will be a few strategically placed formers but the wire itself has strength. Once the plaster bandage gives off then that's it. It ain't going nowhere.
I think some more irregular forms can possibly be achieved as well. The only downside is that the foam can achieve a rock like surface a bit easier. However that will be overcome somehow.

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Couldn't help myself... :roll: Had a play with your design...



From the changes I made earlier with the point in between that of the headshunt and quarry sidings (post 66), I have replaced these two points with one single slip. This could improve shunting maneuvers, as well as taking up less space on the board, allowing a little more scenery.

Cheers, Gary.

ps. You don't need to purchase styrofoam, fruit shops have empty boxes lying around... ;-)

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Hi Gary,


The changes are good. The plan looks quite balanced and very workable. As you say, plenty of scenic potential as well.


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