Video Archive         Recent Topics      
YMR logo

You are here:  Your Model Railway Club > Model Railway Layouts. > Members Ideas For Layouts. > More a gangway than a plank To bottom of page
                 

 Moderated by: Spurno Page:    1  2  3  4  5  Next Page Last Page  
Start New Topic Reply Printer Friendly

More a gangway than a plank - Members Ideas For Layouts. - Model Railway Layouts. - Your Model Railway Club
AuthorPost
 Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2014 07:48 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 1st post
toto
Former Member
 

Joined: 
Location:  
Posts: 
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

I have been playing around with Anyrail to create a small ( ish ) layout on an 8 x 2 baseboard. I ain't doing it ( yet ) but with all these smaller layouts sprouting up I thought it may be fun to have a go at drafting one myself. 8 x 2 ain't tiny but compared with the R & GLR it is smallish. 
I have a back wall in the shed ( at high level ) which could store this on wall brackets and it would not get in the way of the operating of the R & GLR.
If it ever comes to fruition, I thought of experimenting with a light weight baseboard construction of 3mm ply ( braced and a overall surface of maybe 1 inch polystyrene ).


I am definitely just playing about with Anyrail to give me something to do whilst I'm away but what do you think anyway. the type of small industry has not been decided but it will be small as the fiddle yard lanes are short. the biggest thing that would run on it would be a 2 car ( or maybe even 1 car ) DMU Class 03, 04, 08 shunters and a class 22, 25 or something smilar.
In theory this would be used to try out different building methods than what has went before on the R & GLR
your comments are welcome as always.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2014 07:49 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 2nd post
toto
Former Member
 

Joined: 
Location:  
Posts: 
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Apologies,


here is the image file






cheers


Toto

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2014 09:30 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 3rd post
Petermac
Moderator


Joined: Sat Oct 13th, 2007
Location: Nr Bergerac, France
Posts: 17439
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

My initial impression is that it looks very "busy" Toto - maybe that's what you wanted but to me, it looks a little "crowded" ............:roll::roll:  Also, assuming it's "OO" gauge, a point needs around 9 inches to a foot so you'd probably struggle to get that lot into an 8ft length - in spite of what Anyrail says .....................;-)

In real life, pointwork is expensive to build so they would really have to need them or they wouldn't build them.

I too am thinking along the lines of a "shunting plank" - like you, to practice building various structures and trackwork,  but also, to have some fun "shunting" . ;-)

Regarding your lightweight baseboard - I'd shy away from polystyrene as a surface (unless you can get the high density stuff) in favour of styrofoam (extruded polystyrene rather than expanded polystyrene :roll:).  Polystyrene is funny stuff.  Doesn't take anything well - pins, glues, weight or even cutting.  Styrofoam (I think a Dow trade name for extruded polystyrene) on the other hand, is much tougher.  Whilst it won't take many glues, it will offer some hold for pins and can stand carving and weight.  Inch for inch thickness-wise, it's much tougher stuff.



____________________
'Petermac
Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2014 10:14 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 4th post
toto
Former Member
 

Joined: 
Location:  
Posts: 
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Hi Petermac,

Thanks for the comments. On looking at it and taking on board what you say with regards to how busy it is, you are probably right. When I started looking at this, I had much humbler idea's for the track plan which in essence is what makes these planks so workable. However, it does not take much to start getting carried away with things ...... As has happened here.

All your comments with regards to the polystyrene are also coming back via previous comments in similar discussions on other posts. I think I will put the above to bed and seek something a bit more minimalistic which can still offer adequate shunting activities. I'm sure one must exist :mutley.

Back to the drawing board

Cheers

Toto

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2014 10:23 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 5th post
60019Bittern
Full Member


Joined: Thu Dec 27th, 2012
Location: Plymouth, United Kingdom
Posts: 1729
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

CJ Freezers 'Miniories' could be favourite. Or something derived from that.



____________________
I'm old, that's why I'm allowed to change my mind, when I can find it.

My Website: http://www.dcminerals.co.uk
Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2014 11:01 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 6th post
toto
Former Member
 

Joined: 
Location:  
Posts: 
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Hi Bittern,


I will need to investigate :mutley simplicity but interesting are the watch words.

Cheers

Toto

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2014 11:03 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 7th post
60019Bittern
Full Member


Joined: Thu Dec 27th, 2012
Location: Plymouth, United Kingdom
Posts: 1729
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Minories in its original form was an inner city terminus, albeit for short trains.



____________________
I'm old, that's why I'm allowed to change my mind, when I can find it.

My Website: http://www.dcminerals.co.uk
Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2014 11:14 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 8th post
toto
Former Member
 

Joined: 
Location:  
Posts: 
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Has anybody either on YMRC done a similar plan or are there any elsewhere that you are aware of. It would be interesting to have a look.

Toto

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2014 11:17 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 9th post
60019Bittern
Full Member


Joined: Thu Dec 27th, 2012
Location: Plymouth, United Kingdom
Posts: 1729
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Found this on that other place. Might make interesting reading!!
http://rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=38059



____________________
I'm old, that's why I'm allowed to change my mind, when I can find it.

My Website: http://www.dcminerals.co.uk
Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2014 03:52 am
PMQuoteReply
link to this 10th post
gormo
Full Member


Joined: Fri Dec 21st, 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 2073
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

G`day Toto,
               During my active term with that other railway forum, I was quite impressed with the monumental output of track plans by Hugh Flynn. He seemed to favour shunting layouts like the type you are proposing. I will place a link here for you. There are approx 34 web pages of layouts with accompanying text, so you should find some inspiration there.

    http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=24472

:cheers   Gormo

PS....they are drawn with Xtrack Cad I think???



____________________
"Anyone who claims to have never made a mistake, never made anything!!"

https://sites.google.com/site/greatchesterfordmodelrailway/home
Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2014 04:31 am
PMQuoteReply
link to this 11th post
toto
Former Member
 

Joined: 
Location:  
Posts: 
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Hi Gormo,

What an excellent site. There has to be something there for everyone. I have only had a whistle stop tour of it so far as it is very extensive but I will be going back to it again over the next few days to give it the attention that it deserves.

So many great possibilities.

Many thanks for posting this link. ........ Tremendous.

Cheers

Toto

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2014 01:17 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 12th post
toto
Former Member
 

Joined: 
Location:  
Posts: 
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Hi Gormo,


on closer inspection there are a couple of Diesel depots about 5ft in length that look quite interesting. One has a traverser plate though.
How are these incorporated into a baseboard ? looks a bit tricky. getting the mechanism right in order to create a good solid transition from board to board or rail to rail. I don't know if my carpentry skills are good enough to create a system that would avoid any slop in the motion.


I'll maybe play about with some sketches and see what I can come up with.


Once again, an excellent site ............. spoilt for choice and some could be progressed quite quickly to a reasonable state of completeness. Maybe in the future once the R & GLR is at least operating phase one properly. A project to be progressed in tandem maybe. I have enough track etc left over and a few sets of points and one or two extra cobalts.  I may even have the plywood for the plank itself. its a thought.


cheers for now. 

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2014 04:02 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 13th post
toto
Former Member
 

Joined: 
Location:  
Posts: 
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Here is one of the track plans that I have copied from the above link ( full credit to Hugh Flynn please ) in Anyrail which is on a baseboard of 8ft by approx. 20 inches or so.






There would be a retaining wall between the steel dist depot and the scenic break for the traverser and an overhead pipeline which you can maybe just see running up diagonally from the corner of the warehouse in front of the traverser. you could squeeze a further siding off the main incoming line at the bottom if wanted I suppose but would you really need it ?

The steel industry could be substituted by any number of other industry options.













I think that this could be built in a reasonable time even by someone with limited experience. The buildings would be the big challenge for me. DC or DCC ? My heart tells me DCC as I am converting all my loco's that way. With minimal turnouts, this could give an opportunity to attempt rod and tube method. Another big challenge would be the incorporation of a reliable transverser.






maybe's aye, maybe's naw.






comments ?






toto

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2014 04:24 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 14th post
Gary
Inactive Member


Joined: Mon May 21st, 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 3837
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Hi Toto,

One thing I noticed with your plan at the beginning of the thread is that there is not enough length in the sidings at each end of the board. This would make shunting quite difficult. Something to consider is having a few sidings of different lengths. These siding lengths are determined by the loco and a nominated quantity of wagons that can be stored or shunted into. The simple diagram below will give you an idea regarding shunting limitations. When designing/planning a plank, measure everything out on the baseboard using points and a variety of wagons and locos. This will let you know if it will work sufficiently.



As for shunting layouts, take a look at this ; http://www.wymann.info/ShuntingPuzzles/sw-timesaver.html This is the original timesaver layout, but ofcourse it can be adapted to suit your needs. Another great site to browse through is this ; http://www.carendt.com/ Click on images or one of the headings, ie, 'Micro Layout Design Gallery' which will give you some inspiration.

If you can get hold of Railway Modeller Vol 65 No.765, there is a great little Inglenook layout in there.

Cheers, Gary.

 



____________________
...as a young lad, it was big trains for little boys, now it is little trains for big boys...!

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=12116&forum_id=21

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2014 04:29 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 15th post
gormo
Full Member


Joined: Fri Dec 21st, 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 2073
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

G`day Toto,
              I`m glad you have found something of interest there. When I used to follow Hugh Flynn`s topic, I could not believe how quick he was at knocking up these plans. People would put in a request for a plan and overnight, or at the latest within a couple of days ,he would have it done.
              The trouble was, I thought in the end this cannot last. So many requests were coming in and I thought it was a bit unfair on him......and then.....no more......so possibly he decided enough was enough......don`t know????.......But what a great lot of plans he has left us all with.......well done Hugh.
            Traversers Toto........I would suggest a good deal of research there. It`s not something I have thought about in great detail but I am sure somebody on this forum will have the details for you. I made an extremely simple one years ago which was actually a hybrid. It was a sliding fiddle yard that could also revolve and it was out of view. It was used on my son`s 6 foot shunting layout. I made it by simply sitting one piece of laminated particle board (with track fixed to it ) on top of another piece of laminated particle board. No bracing....no bearings....no motors....all hand operated with alligator clips to make the connections. It was secured with one bolt. There was a single bolt hole in the top piece and a slot for the bolt in the bottom piece which allowed it to slide and also rotate. It was not precise by any means but it worked a treat. I guess technically, that`s not a traverser, but it shows that these things don`t have to be great technical achievements to work properly.
:cheers  Gormo



____________________
"Anyone who claims to have never made a mistake, never made anything!!"

https://sites.google.com/site/greatchesterfordmodelrailway/home
Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2014 04:32 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 16th post
Gary
Inactive Member


Joined: Mon May 21st, 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 3837
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

This plan you have (steel mill) looks good. :thumbs Rather than use a traverser, why not use a sector plate ? This would be far simpler to operate, via wire in tube.

Cheers, Gary.



____________________
...as a young lad, it was big trains for little boys, now it is little trains for big boys...!

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=12116&forum_id=21

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2014 04:54 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 17th post
gormo
Full Member


Joined: Fri Dec 21st, 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 2073
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

G`day Toto,
                Just to wet your appetite......here is one of Hugh`s little layouts

    http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/29815-oil-drum-lane-new-layout-for-pontefract-show/


   And my favourite which is only 6 foot long......track plan is on page 2


       http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/15961-balvenie/

:cheers  Gormo



____________________
"Anyone who claims to have never made a mistake, never made anything!!"

https://sites.google.com/site/greatchesterfordmodelrailway/home
Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2014 05:17 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 18th post
toto
Former Member
 

Joined: 
Location:  
Posts: 
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

Hi Gormo,


they are both excellent but Oil drum lane has the edge for me. great layout and superb modelling. what a skill.


cheers
toto

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2014 02:34 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 19th post
toto
Former Member
 

Joined: 
Location:  
Posts: 
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides



Another take on the planky thingy









We've got a right load of Plankers on the forum


toto

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2014 05:24 pm
PMQuoteReply
link to this 20th post
gormo
Full Member


Joined: Fri Dec 21st, 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 2073
Status: 
Offline

My photos:
view photos in Gallery
view photos as slides

G`day Toto,
   This planky thingy layout doover whats it.....have you considered a removable cassette system as shown on your modified plan below. You could gain 3 roads over 3 feet in length and you can have any number of pre- loaded cassettes.
  Just an idea......toss it around mate.



:cheers  Gormo



____________________
"Anyone who claims to have never made a mistake, never made anything!!"

https://sites.google.com/site/greatchesterfordmodelrailway/home
Back To Top PMQuoteReply

This is topic ID = 12674     Current time is 12:31 am Page:    1  2  3  4  5  Next Page Last Page    
You are here:  Your Model Railway Club > Model Railway Layouts. > Members Ideas For Layouts. > More a gangway than a plank
You can type a quick reply to this topic here. Click in the box below to begin.

Or to reply to an individual post, or to include images, attachments and formatted text,
click the Quote or Reply buttons on each post above.

To start a new topic in this forum, click the Start New Topic button below.
To start a new topic in a different forum, click the Forum Jump drop-down list below.
Start New Topic


Back to top of page

           
15 Most Recent Topics

Problems with this web site? Please contact the Webmaster.

All material submitted to this web site is the responsibility of the respective contributor. By submitting material to this web site you acknowledge that you accept full responsibility for the material submitted.
Unless stated otherwise, all the material displayed on this web site, including all text, photographs, drawings and other images, is copyright and the property of the respective contributor. Registered members are welcome to use it for their own personal non-commercial modelmaking purposes. It must not be reproduced or re-published elsewhere in any form, or used commercially, without first obtaining the owner's express permission.
The owner of this web site may edit, modify or remove any content at any time without giving notice or reason.    © 2008

                 

Recent Topics Back to top of page

Powered by UltraBB 1.15 Copyright © 2007-2011 by Jim Hale and Data 1 Systems. Page design copyright © 2008-2013 Martin Wynne. Photo gallery copyright © 2009 David Williams.