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 Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2014 12:35 pm
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Hi, I am new to this hobby and to the website

Because of limited room I have built a small baseboard to take a n gauge layout. The base board will need to be stored upright when not in use. The track will be laid on gaugemaster track underlay. My intention was to cover the baseboard with a gaugemaster grass mat with a gravel mat between tracks and in the sidings.i am shying away from using scatter because of the upright storage situation . Although I did think of building the scenery up on top of the grass mat..the intention is to glue the track to the underlay. Should this be the glued or pinned to the baseboard. Should the grass mat be removed under the underlay or left in place. I know this is all simple stuff but I am relying on the good advice of the members.

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.  Hello Roger, welcome to the club from me down on the edge of a sunny Solent. I don't have any experience in using the grass mat materials you are going to use. However, I'm pretty sure one of the members will be able to help you. That's the good thing about this site, there is always a member who is able help out with advice in some way or other. Good luck with the layout!



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Hi Roger and welcome to the club.The one thing i wouldn't do even with no experience of it is to stick the track underlay onto the grass mat.The underlay will obviously have  some thickness to it and the underlay bottom will be flat so you have potential problems of the underlay not sticking to the grass mat and the track not being firm enough.One other thing to be aware of is to keep the underlay out of sunlight as it degrades over time and turns to dust.You can use closed cell foam for the track underlay although this isn't formed to take the track like the gaugemaster product.



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Hi Roger from sunny and warm Essex.

Can't help you with the grass mats either, but I'm sure somebody will.

I'm using EVA foam for underlay, which is stuck to the baseboard and the track is then stuck to that. No Pins.

I intend to eventually ballast the track which will be glued, so theoretically would stay fixed if I didn't have fixed baseboards and had to stand them on end.

But as Spurno says it's not formed to take the track.


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Hello Roger

Using grass mat is fine, however, you will end up with a very flat monotone colour effect. In my opinion it is just as easy to paint the area in a brown colour and once dry use scatter material to build up the green areas. There is plenty of advice on here on how to do that. I agree that it is best not to stick the track to a grass mat. Many people use cork as a base for their track, which when painted and with ballast added looks highly effective.

You are wise to seek advice as the track laying and initial scenic decisions are very important - and a right pain if you change your mind afterwards and decide to lift it all.

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Thank you everyone for your advice, if I did use scatter,is there a danger that the grass or ballast would come dislodged when stored upright or is it more permanent if fixed properly. What is the best method of fixing the track underlay to the baseboard. Glueing seems to be so permanent so could be a problem if you want to change the layout in the future.

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Hi Roger,in your first post you state you are building a "small" N gauge layout.Things may change constantly as you build your layout but once built i doubt you will change it as it will  be easier to build a new one.
Scatter will always shed some material as it is "scattered" onto a glue base so some will always be loose.
Ballast will be hard to shift as the usual method of laying is to wet with a spray bottle and use a dropper with a 50/50 mix of PVA and water with a drop of washing up liquid to aid the capillary action.
Underlay to baseboard and track to underlay is best stuck down with copydex which is a carpet glue and can be lifted quite easily if required.



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Thanks Alan , that was very helpful

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Hi Roger,

I have used scatter as well as static grass fibres, stuck down with neat PVA glue painted on with a brush. Once dry, I gave it a good hoover (with some cloth over the nozzle to catch and re-use the loose scatter). I repeated this twice. For good measure, I sprayed the whole lot with some extra-firm-hold hair spray too.

My layout is small and lives end-up against a wall in my office. It's not been long (about 6 weeks) since I did the grass, but the layout has taken some knocks from small children brushing past it, and nothing has fallen off it at all.

Not sure if this will help in your decision or not! :)



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Thanks Mike that is exactly what I was hoping to here, it looks like static grass is the way I will go.

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Hi Roger, welcome to YMR!

My layout, Kilgerran (details elsewhere on the forum) is stored on end, carted around on it's side in the back of the car, and has been displayed in various places that have involved carrying the boards up and down stairs.

All the grass, undergrowth, bushes, etc are scatter material, static fibre, bits of hanging basket liner, etc simply stuck on with dilute PVA and other adhesives.

The track was pinned to 50mm urethane insulation which forms the base, and then stuck with dilute PVA, which was ballasted at the same time.

So far, two years down the line, everything has held together, and nothing has dropped off!

Here's a shot of the two boards - (usually cover with a plastic dust sheet):



Hope this helps.
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Thanks Shaun , that confirms what I need to do, everything is becoming very clear.

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