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 Posted: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 07:49 pm
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During a trip out to the model railway shop I found a product called "Road System Top Coat Concrete ST1454" by Woodland Scenics. Just could not resist buying it. When I used it next to the formula that I had previously come up with it matched perfectly!!!!!! Go figure! Never ever will that happen again.

The process of adding the Talc is as follows. Using the new concrete paint and thinning it with lots of water, I brushed it all over the cylinder and immediately literally threw on the Talc, lots of Talc. This was done outside to prevent cleaning up the mess. Once the entire cylinder was covered with talc I immediately shook off all that I could, then started blowing off everything else. I had to get the clumps off but not the fine powder or the wash itself. What was left on took a good hour to completely dry. The drying turned the whole thing white. It does however dramatically tone down those painted blocks, as you can see.




It is interesting how those speckled blocks are looking. They MAY work out just fine, only time will tell though.



This close up shows the two blocks with the X in them. You may notice that I have covered the second X'd out block with straight concrete paint. You can still see the X through it though.



You can still see the black lines with no problem, but I wonder for how long?

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Could you have a look at my post to you on the previous page Wayne. If it's no help I will get rid of it and this one.



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Hey bob I like that, only how did you do it?

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Post the first image as normal and then the next one right next to it. If you are going to do it then please don't increase the width of the images any more that they are now else I will get shouted at. :cry:



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This is the first wash over the Talc, it's really the second wash as the talc was put into the first wash.
The second wash has helped change the color quite nicely. The bright colors are fading, but not enough yet.



This shows those speckled blocks again. Better but still to dominate.



And a close up of those X'd out blocks. You can still see the X's! the black lines are doing fine, but are fading somewhat.




I have decided to make the next wash from my formula instead of the newly purchased concrete. By doing that I can adjust the color a little more to my liking.

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Now here is the same three pictures of the test Silo after the third concrete wash. The bright red blocks are Out, way too bright for my taste, but the remaining ones are looking good to me. In the third picture you can still see the big X!!! Just doesn't want to go away.





Fourth wash coming up next!

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This series of three pictures shows the test Silo after the fourth concrete wash. Looks like my hands were shaking when I took that second photo. :evil: In the close up photo you can see that the big X is now gone, finally. It took four washes to cover up the black ink X!






In the last picture I have drawn in the upper area the outlines of several of the blocks using a fine tipped pencil. I am concerned that the blocks outlines are faded too much. So I am going to keep going only to find out how many washes it takes to cover those pencil lines just enough to look natural. Once I know how many it takes I will insert the pencil lines in between the appropriate steps when painting the actual Silo.

This, in my opinion, is where I intend to stop putting on washes. At this point I will be done, on the actual model!

Here is a photo of those pencil lines after the fifth wash. This is now one wash over the pencil lines.


I think the lines are still too dominate, so one more wash over them to see if two coats will suffice.

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Looking good and even excellent. Look forward to when its all done and it is in situ on the layout, will look awesome.
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phill wrote:Look forward to when its all done and it is in situ on the layout.
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Thanks Phill, ME TOO!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Here is the final test shot. This shows the pencils lines with two concrete washes over them, and I like it! I was surprised that the pencil lines did not wash out or run when the thinned concrete wash was applied.



Well now, after two weeks of testing and doing a lot of learning, I am ready to apply the paint to the Silo. Here is the painting schedule.

1. Wash Silo with soap and water, allow to completely dry.

2. Apply white gesso thinned with water over the entire surface. The white gesso is thinned to about a 50/50 mix. Allow to completely dry.

3. Paint all the chosen blocks with colored paints as tested. I will chose which blocks to paint what color based upon the prototype pictures. All colors were mixed with Ivory White 50/50. Allow to completely dry.

4. Decide which blocks needs "Dabbing" (speckled) get that done. Allow to completely dry.

5. Wash the silo with thinned concrete and immediately add the Talc, blow off all excess Talc immediately. Allow to completely dry.

6. Draw in with a fine tipped pencil all scribe lines.

7. Wash entire Silo with thinned concrete. Allow to completely dry.

8. Wash entire Silo with thinned concrete. Allow to completely dry.

And as they say, that's that!

I intend to start the actual Silo this Friday. After all these photos, is anyone still interested is seeing step by step photos of the actual Silo? If so, then I will do it. Just let me know.

If I have missed a step or something, nows the time to speak up!

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Wayne, fotos of the step by step on the actual model if possible please :?:

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I think photos are an absolute must, Wayne.
I've learned so much by watching your experiments that it would be a let down not to follow it through now :!:

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Well done, Wayne! Don't stop the photos now, please.

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OK guys, you'll get your pictures! Just thought you might be tired of seeing paint dry. :shock: :shock: :shock: :roll:

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:lol: :lol: :lol: I think I've spent half my life doing that. I can go another week :D

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I am SICK of testing!!!! :shock: :roll: :wink: :D

So here is a picture of the REAL thing, finally!!!



(Sure hope that is not too wide Bob)

The above pictures has thinned white gesso as a first coat. All the chosen colors from the testing have been applied. I tried, at first, to follow the prototype picture, but that soon became almost impossible to keep doing. For one thing most if not all the colored blocks occur on the North half of the Silo. The Southern half is bleached from the sun. I have decided that since I do not have a sun position on my layout, I liked the Northern half, so I have painted the colors all around. You can see very well all of the smudges that have been added to help make the whole thing look 60 plus years old. I would think that 97% of those will disappear after the next washes are applied. (I sure hope so anyway).



In this set of photos one wash has been added over the Talc and I have painstakingly redrawn all of the scribe lines with a mechanical pencil. :evil:
The next wash will be a little thinner than this one. My hope is to hide some more of the scribe lines without covering up too much more of the colored blocks.

As far as the testing goes, this next wash should be the last one. If however, I am not satisfied with the results, I can, carefully go over individual blocks with another wash to help tone them down some. I have decided not to hurry this through to get it done by this evening. I will let things dry thoroughly before the next wash.

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Wayne that is really coming together, the effort in developing the finish is really coming through.



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darrenscots wrote:Wayne that is really coming together, the effort in developing the finish is really coming through.

Thanks Darren! I can tell you this, the picture doesn't do it justice. It looks so good right now that I am hesitant about the last wash. The block colors are near perfect, but the lines are a tad bit too dark.

I am also beginning to think about painting the remaining components now.

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take it outside in the daytime obviously and photo graph it outside i have found that things seem to look more as they really are in a photo than taking a photo indoors with flashes and unnatuaral light

cheers Brian.W

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henryparrot wrote:Wayne

take it outside in the daytime obviously and photo graph it outside i have found that things seem to look more as they really are in a photo than taking a photo indoors with flashes and unnatuaral light

cheers Brian.W


OK Brian, I will give that a try. All of my photos were taken without a flash and the ones with a black background were under an OTT light. Supposed to be a natural light, they say!

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Now the fourth wash begins, which is the second wash over the pencil lines. I have watered the fourth wash down more than the other three, just in case. I am glad I did too, because there are ares on here that look just fine and another wash would hide too much. In the right hand picture you can see that the lines are more vivid for the seven columns over from the climbing tower. Not sure why this happened, but I intend to fix it with another wash just over them.




In the above picture you can see some bright blocks. I will (after this dries some more) go over them individually to soften them up to match the rest of the colored blocks.

I believe the reason why there are certain blocks that are holding their color is because of the Talc. My best guess is that the Talc did not cover those blocks like it did the rest of them. The talc was the major layer that dulled down the colored blocks.

Hopefully, tomorrow will be the final touches on the Silo itself. The dome will be the next item tackled. I am currently testing some grey and silver colors and rusting them up some, to see which I like the best. Here's hoping it doesn't take as long as the cylinder did!!!!

All in all, I am tickled "Pink" with this, and can't wait till I can begin putting on the rings and steps.

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