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 Posted: Mon Nov 12th, 2012 07:05 pm
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I have been to the shows recently, and given the piggy bank a bit of a bashing, and among my purchases I have picked up some Parkside Dundas kits of LNER wagons.
Great kits - somewhat more advanced than the old Airfix planes I used to build as a kid, but fun. nonetheless. 
However there are a couple of things I am not so keen on. 
1) is some of the under frame detailing (axles, breaks etc) is both fidly, but doesnt always go together as detailed or expected without a lot of fiddling - this could be user error, but is the one area of the build I am not happy with.
2) The other is the buffers. I know that Parkside do buffers, and I think I can work out which ones I need but are all I think cast single piece white metal buffers. Does any one here a) have an opinion on these castings e.g. Any good? and b) Does any one have any views / experience of sprung buffers, and if so where is a good source for these?
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Here are some thoughts I had on the subject of wagons and improving some of the details:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/cyac8ao


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Hi Dave

There are literally hundreds of types of buffers. You will need to be specific about the wagon types even down to a particular wagon on a particular date if you want to absolutely sure you get the right ones.

(having said that you cant even guarentee a wagon had the same type on both ends.)

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Brossard - thanks for the link. It looks like you have done a lot of research on this, and i may have to look at buying some of those books.
Jim S-W - I will post some details of the kits I have purchased when I get home later.
In the meantime can any one suggest some suppliers of wagon detailing kits, sprung buffers etc, so i can start looking at them to see if they stock some stuff I am interested in?
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One thing that does amuse me,people that insist on sprung buffers but don't run trains with buffer to buffer contact, such as tension lock couplings:lol:.



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bike2steam - you are quite correct. :lol:
At this time I am still looking into what type of couplings I want to use - currently my RTR have still got the couplings they have come with, but all are nem pockets so can be dropped out easily, and replaced with anything.
I am still in the planning my layout stage, which will be in the loft, which has a couple of beams which can be moved so I am having to take into account the amount of reach to uncouple - If I had free access I would consider chains or screw couplings, but am more likely to head down a less prototypical rout to allow remote uncoupling as I will be the sole operator - however I am also planning the layout to be demount-able so I can (and this may still be pie in the sky) take it to my local clubs exhibition (read half dozen old men playing trains in a shed, but allowing Joe public to drop in).... but regardless of this I just like to take the opportunity to have that option of dropping the couplings of and using chains etc as the whim takes me! :mrgreen:
Back to your point, the reason is the same as why it took me about 4 times as long to put one wagon kit together - its all part of the hobby, and I want to know I have put together as good a wagon as I can (save total scratch building , which takes a little more crazy than I have at this time :shock:), so while I am scratching around, I might as well see what I can do to take my kit that little bit better!
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GreenBoy wrote: Brossard - thanks for the link. It looks like you have done a lot of research on this, and i may have to look at buying some of those books.
Jim S-W - I will post some details of the kits I have purchased when I get home later.
In the meantime can any one suggest some suppliers of wagon detailing kits, sprung buffers etc, so i can start looking at them to see if they stock some stuff I am interested in?
ThanksDave


Improvements to our wagon building come with experience and trying new things. 

As for buffers, you can look at Alan Gibson Workshop (http://www.alangibsonworkshop.com/), MJT (on the Dart Castings site, http://www.dartcastings.co.uk/mjt.php) and Slaters do some nice steel buffer heads (http://shop.cooper-craft.co.uk/index.php?cPath=60_69 , item S4070).  These are the ones that come to mind - there are probably others.

I tend not to bother with springing buffers since, as B2S points out, we rarely have buffers in contact.  3 link couplings look great but fo me, they are just too fiddly to connect up.  Propelling around curves may cause the buffers to lock and derailment.

My compromise is to use Kadee - there are several threads on that subject.

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Dave, you might consider keeping your tension-lock couplings and converting them for automatic uncoupling via the 'Kirby Coupling'.  Costs virtually nothing to convert the couplings.  Only works with Bachmann couplings but they are available in packets of ten to push into the NEM pockets of other brand wagons.  Here is a link which explains all:

http://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=20801

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