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 Posted: Wed Aug 22nd, 2012 07:15 pm
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well where to start with this one. the qustion is can you get carried away with detail. and is it worth all the effort??

this all started about two weeks ago while looking after my toddler, as all fathers do i was thinking about my models.

i was looking at my royal scot with its rake of four coaches and thinking to myself "where are all the passengers." before i knew it my wife was home and child care handed over and to the modelling table (dinning room)

 

i then spent the next two days painting loads of figures (bcause i was to tight to by pre painted ones.) but i then thought whats the point of passengers if the seats and flooring and walls are incorrect. so onto the internet and after some printing later you get the below result.



for the next few days work got in the way of my progress but while i was at work i started thinking to myself whats the point of spending all this time fitting lights to my church (see my thread called my first attempt at a scratch build) if i cant run my trains with low light because they are not lit.

 

this then led onto how to light my coaches. the coach below is one of the middle coaches.

 

i decided that only the end two of the rake would pick up a current from the wheels and that all four coaches would be connected together. ith a bit of help from First Class Trains i was well on my way.

the problem came with the wheels as they are hornby metal wheels with plastic washers ho do i make the axel livfor the electrial pick up. low melt solder did the trick however probley not the best way see the below picture.




thebelow picture shows the electrical pick up from the track and a very poor bit of soldering.




below shows lift off we have lighting.



one thing i then noticed was that you could see the link lead linking the coach lights together. this did not look to realistic so corridoors needed adding. see below




my next question was ow can you have coach lighting without working loco lights. this was harder than first thought as the loco is not dcc ready and the dcc chip has been hard wired in but i think you will agree that the result was worth the effort.




still after a bit of weathering it all started to look just right.the loco lights can be controlled from the controller.



and finally to end the train and this thread a working tail light.



 

so what do you think, can you add to much detail and is it really worth all the effort??

 

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Do you ever start something and just when you think it's done it turns out that there is a issue. Well I run this train today and as soon as it attempted a corner it resembled the great train crash. The electrical connectors between the coaches cause them to twist and fall over.

The connecting corridors also cause further issues.

Not sure how to resolve this so think I will sleep on it for a few nights

Jim

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Good work Jimmy, shame about the running.  You'll have to get your thinking cap on and figure out the root cause(s).  I haven't done lights in my stuff, but I have made extensive mods to couplings, underframes and corridor connections.  I've also done interior detailing.  I too have found issues with running after modification - it's a matter of working through the problems.

Have a browse at the blogspot link below, I've written some articles on various topics.

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John can I ask how you did your corridors connections I think I will have to redo mine. I may have a way around the wire causing everything to twist I will update if it works

Jim

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Maybe this will help:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/8mq2upo


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To answer your main question Jim - is it worth it ?  Yes, it certainly is - visually - as you've proved in your shots.  That train looks great. :thumbs

The running characteristics afterwards are another problem.  A bit like taking an aspirin to cure a headache then having to take something to cure the ulcer caused by the aspirin etc. etc. ...................

I have a similar problem with an old V2 that I chipped - or, to be more precise, John Dew did the hard work and I looked at his pictures .......;-)  The decoder is in the tender and the wires from the loco to the tender have created a sort of "semi-stiff draw-bar".  It works fine going forward, but in reverse, the tender always wants to go straight on rather than following the pointwork .........

I'm not sure yet what the answer is but there surely is one :hmm



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Oh yes helps no end will give it a go cheers

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Hi Jim,

to answer you question - yes definitely worth it . 

I can relate to why you asked the question as I ( and many others I suspect) have been down the same path  you start off with a simple change and that leads to another etc.

The derailing can be solved  one way might be to use lighter wire to connect the power between carriages - you can get some really fine wire - just like the ones used on the headlamps.  Or you could elect to have pickups in each coach ( more work either way) but it looks great.




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It really is worth the effort, Jim.  It looks great!  :thumbs



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Increasing the coach weights may also help

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Decoder wire is very thin and comes in all colours from TCS.

http://www.tcsdcc.com/public_html/Customer_Content/Products/Supplies/Wire/Wire.htm



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I have purchased some very fine wire and refitted to one coach and all seems to be working? I have also made new coach corridor connections and they also seem to work? I will now try the rest of the coaches then update you as to wether it works or not. Fingers crossed

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Hope it works Jim ,let us know A.



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