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 Posted: Sat Aug 11th, 2012 08:32 am
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My friend, Peter heard the double cube speaker sound at our last NMRA meeting when I did my Show and Tell.  He asked me if I could do one for his Shay On3 logging loco.

Before the surgery, we took it outside for a couple of "publicity shots."

Peter is an excellent photographer and he brought his stage.



Then we disassembled it and inserted the two cube speakers.  They face each other in a kind of 'hyperbaric' configuration.  They are 8 Ohms each, wired in parallel = 4 Ohms.



Then I wired in a Loksound V4 decoder and downloaded the Shay project file from the ESU website.  As Peter's is wood fired, I removed the coal shovelling sound and tweaked a few of the controls.

Because I didn't have any On3 track, I put her up on blocks to hear what the download sounded like.



Here's a rough recording of the sounds . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hr4mHNDvRM



Here's how the photo shoot turned out . . .





. . . and here's a copy of his Function Map to tell him what goes where . . .




. . . a very enjoyable way to spend Saturday arvo'





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Thanks for that, Max.
Fascinating stuff.



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When Peter gets back from his trip to the Narrow Gauge Convention in the US, we hope to make a movie on his excellent layout.

Watch this space.  :lol:



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We'll be watching Max. :thumbs

As you know, I've commented elsewhere on the results.

Those who haven't watched the clip yet - I urge you to do so - it's not time wasted !!!!



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I look forward to the movie of the loco in action.  I've always liked the Shay, such an unusual configuration.  The sound is very impressive - the whistle and bell reverberate very nicely.

Thanks Max.

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Thanks, guys.  I'll post the movie as soon as it's done.



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Those speakers are brilliant Max.

No distortion and so real.



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Thanks, John; and they are the same price as the round ones.



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Thanks for posting that, Max that is really interesting. I have a Bachman Shay that I now want to equip with a sound decoder. Yesterday I spent the day at the 7mm narrow gauge association's Surrey group operating day. I was not a member of the group but as a member of the association, I (along with others who lived locally) was invited to attend. I decided to take a test track and my one and only DCC sound loco, a Bachmann Climax. This was the first time I have had a chance to run it and talk to some other On30/O16.5 modellers.

I must admit that I was not really convinced about sound but yesterday has changed my mind. I was impressed with what the Climax could do straight out of the box. I am now in the process of finding out what else is out there. I am also interested in providing some of the other sounds that are not directly connected with the trains themselves. I have seen (heard) layouts that have other odd sounds like the blacksmith's hammer etc but what about the ambient noise to tie the whole scene together? 

I was thinking of just recording the 'silence between the trains at my local station...

There is a picture of my test track with the Climax running on my new blog HERE


Ralph.

 



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Hi Ralph.  Nice to see you and Sue smiling back at us again.

The sound decoder I used was a Loksound Version 4 4 Aux.  The sound project was downloaded from the ESU site and I hardly had to change much at all.  Peter's is wood fired, so I removed the coal shovelling, then remapped a few of the functions and set up the performance parameters.  Easy to do with the Lokprogrammer.

I made up some ambient sounds for one of our club members which included trains leaving, passing and arriving.  I copied and pasted the 30 minute result until we had 4 hours.  I did it in .mp3 and he plays it in an old iPod through a 5.1 under his layout.

I can let you have a copy if you would like one, or I could make a bespoke one for you.

I enjoyed your blog.  :thumbs



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Thanks for the information, Max.

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I made up some ambient sounds for one of our club members which included trains leaving, passing and arriving.  I copied and pasted the 30 minute result until we had 4 hours.  I did it in .mp3 and he plays it in an old iPod through a 5.1 under his layout.
A copy of your ambient noise would be nice to experiment with - thank you! I had not thought of using a 5.1. I was debating going custom...

I really need to explore the possibilities of DCC fully. I am still at the Cor! and Wow! stage at the moment and that is just what my MRC Prodigy 2 can do on its own!! For me, it is the research that I enjoy. I have a basic knowledge of electronics and I am looking at all sorts of uses for micro controllers. I have been playing with the Arduino ( http://arduino.cc/ ) of late and I can see all sorts of possibilities here, especially in the area of mood setting and scenic effects, including sound.

Now this is going to sound really silly, but I have been messing around with plastic croaking frogs. The electronics that drive the speaker can be used to drive an LED to flash and dim in a seemingly random way, musical greetings cards have similar potential. go to my workshop blog: http://ralphsworkshop.blogspot.co.uk/ and put enter "Frog" into the search box. There are two or three posts referring to this strange carry on...

Thanks for your kind words regarding the blog - it is very early days as I only set it up at the end of last week. The railway website has had some attention as well but I must find some time to add some more content over the next few days.

Ralph ;-)



 



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Fishplate42 wrote: A copy of your ambient noise would be nice to experiment with - thank you!

PM me with your address and I'll put it on a stick and post it to you, Ralph.  It's too big to email.

There are a myriad of electronic gizmos around now for us to play with and subvert to our models.  I'll be watching with interest to see what you make of them.  :thumbs



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