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My layout has three main areas, a Scottish fishing village which was originally supposed to be in the West Highland but has turned out be a remarkable resemblence to Lower Largo in Fife where I grew up. There are two other sections; a Swiss mountain Scene which I am working on at the moment and a German city scene which has not yet bee started. The layout is powered by ESU ECoS, with a hand held Roco LokMaus 2 used as a slave and a soon to be added Remote control by ESU. It is all digital and I am trying to incorporate as many digital features as I can into it. There are three basic loops and two sets of sidings, a turntable area and two raised terminus to terminus shuttle lines.

I will start off by covering the Scottish fishing village as this is the most advanced part. I have still some work to do at the back of this part but the front is mainly how I would like it. I have done some work since these pictures but these will give you a fair idea of what this section looks like.


This harbour came from my previous layout and was modelled on Crai harbour in Fife.


As you can see there is work needing done behind the bridge. I have added another layer of epoxy resin to the "sea" since taking this picture.


Apologies for the dumped vehicles and hay bales. I am still in the process of tidying up under the bridge and need to instal a pavement along the side of the road. I have some Will or Ratio paving but am still pondering exactly how I want to do this.


This shows the part of the town in front of the Railway station. I have a bit of tidying up and fine detailing to do in this area too.


As previously said I am tidying up the bit under the bridge arch, it does ruin this photo a bit as it is right in the centre. The ice cream van still in its box doesn't help either.


I will probably pull or modify the pub on the top right of this picture as it is not appropriate. I am thinking of the half releif Townstreet one.


I have since done some work under the arches but it does need finished off.


I also need to plaster over those screws and I am in the process of replacing the backdrops where the glue has come through.


Got to have seagulls.


And fishermen.


I have since added some weeds to the top part of the viaduct. I also got a load of "local" coal wagons courtesy of the Bachmann collectors club. Photos to follow.


It wouldn't be complete without the drunken sailors.


I have started on the area behind the bridges using Siliflor moorland carpet mat. It looks better in real life than in photographs. Because it's synthetic it seems to give off a sheen when using a flash.


This area of moorland will be right next to a station which will be modelled on Rannoch Moor. This is one of two raised shuttle lines operated by occupancy detectors.

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what a layout great pics and some wonderfull detailing.
Look forward to more info and of course pics.
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Looking great, Neil, with some terrific little scenes. That water's fantastic. I have tried to find the stuff you used - Timbercoat?? or similar. I have it written down somewhere. Our local Bunnings doesn't stock it, naturally :? :evil:
Lovely to see a lighthouse, and the beach looks great.
Had to chuckle at the van in the box, although if you hadn't mentioned it I would have missed it. Cameras sure do have the knack of giving us up :)
Looking forward to lots more.

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Neil

A super layout, you have packed in a great deal into a small space. It is good to see the track running over the scenery, on a viaduct as opposed to being at ground level. I recently travelled the ECML from King's X to Edinburgh and on to Aberdeen and your scene reminds me very much of the area just beyond the Forth Rail Bridge, as the line follows the coast up to the North. Great stuff - looking forward to seeing other areas of your layout.

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Very impressive, Neil. :D

I love to see little cameo scenes-within-scenes, such as your brawling sailors and the fisherman sorting their gear out.

Great stuff! :D

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Superb layout there Neil i can see there has been an immense amount of work and planning gone into the creation of your layout .the work you have done gives you an atmoshere of the area you are modelling i assume your track areas beyond your piccys are to fiddle yards or are there other areas of the layout you are still developing?
I notice you are a multi era model railway modeler with the rolling stock
i am aswell i tell people my era is roughly the 20th centuryhe he.
cheers Brian

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Very Nice Neil! I too like the close in detail pictures. When you stand back and take a picture of a fairly large area there is so much to see that I think I miss a lot.
Keep the pictures coming!
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Novice wrote:Neil

A super layout, you have packed in a great deal into a small space. It is good to see the track running over the scenery, on a viaduct as opposed to being at ground level. I recently travelled the ECML from King's X to Edinburgh and on to Aberdeen and your scene reminds me very much of the area just beyond the Forth Rail Bridge, as the line follows the coast up to the North. Great stuff - looking forward to seeing other areas of your layout.

Bob(K)


Thanks for the kind comments guys.

Yes, Novice this area is on the former coastal route between Leven and St Andrews. The line was removed in the late 60's but this part of the layout represents what was and might have been if they had not stopped the coastal service. Now the line goes overland from Kirkcaldy to Dundee but had this line not been removed we could have seen the GNER 225 and Voyagers on the Fife coastal route. I try to keep it sufficiently ambigous so I can run LNER, BR or GNER without too much noticable difference.

Mike, the epoxy resin is a hassle to find in Bunnings. They seem to move it between art supplies, paint and plaster areas according to whoever stacked the shelves. I sometimes struggle to find anything in Bunnings. I am looking for perspex to put on the side of my layout to keep young hands off, I am advised that Bunnings have it but I have never found it.

Henry, there is a four track station secreted at the back of this section. You can almost make out the tops of some of the trains here.



I did intend to show a track plan but had troublelaying my hands on a recent one. It changed so often in the planning. This is the latest version I could find and it has had a few changes made.



The section I have shown photos of is the section to the left. I do still have a lot to do but it is about halfway there. I'll post more up to date pictures and pictures of other sections as I go.

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hi Neil,nice pics of your layout,i like the scenerios too,
you and Jeff should get on, he cant stay with a plan either!!
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Thanks Owen :!: :!: As a matter of fact, Neil and I do get on, but it's nothing to do with not sticking to a plan :!:

Thanks for the photos, Neil, It's a larger selection that I've seen before and some of the work (finished areas) has excellent detail.
As with most of us, some of the areas "to be tidied up" still exist, I see :!:
The consolation is that when these are all gone, the layout will start to bore you and the urge will be to rip it all up and start again.
Voice of experiance speaking :?: You bet :!: :!:

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owen69 wrote:
you and Jeff should get on, he cant stay with a plan either!!
Now that's not strictly true - Jeff gets other forum members to plan bits of his layout for him :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :wink:

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Very, very enjoyable, Neil :!: Looking forward to seeing more... Where did you get that excellent lighthouse :?:

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rector wrote:Very, very enjoyable, Neil :!: Looking forward to seeing more... Where did you get that excellent lighthouse :?:

It's the Walthers one which has been modified. I chucked the accompanying building and repainted it.

Here's some pictures of the back part where the station is. I just noticed that I have forgotten to remove a wooden block that was holding the new backdrop in place. oo er :wink:







I have been working n the areas underand behind the bridges yesterday and today. I hope to get this area finished sometime soon. :?

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Hi Neil,

Thanks for this, I've really enjoyed looking at the photos of your excellent work. I too love those cameos and as a sailing type I'm fascinated by your harbour (drying of course) and especially the attention to the smaller details - seagulls, fishing nets etc. - quite superb.

There is also something else that has caught my eye, namely the white cottage with a conservatory just above the quay. Could you tell me whether or not it is a kit, where you got it etc? It seems impossible to get models of seaside type houses that were built in the 40's/50's and this could pass for one of them. :D

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Les wrote:Hi Neil,

Thanks for this, I've really enjoyed looking at the photos of your excellent work. I too love those cameos and as a sailing type I'm fascinated by your harbour (drying of course) and especially the attention to the smaller details - seagulls, fishing nets etc. - quite superb.

There is also something else that has caught my eye, namely the white cottage with a conservatory just above the quay. Could you tell me whether or not it is a kit, where you got it etc? It seems impossible to get models of seaside type houses that were built in the 40's/50's and this could pass for one of them. :D

Les


Hi Les,

the house is from the range made by Harburn Hobbies of Edinburgh. You can get thismail order from their website if unable to visit. Tyey are cast plaster and quite heavy but already painted. The conservatory is a Langley models brass kit. You can get this mail order from Langley.

Neil

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Thanks Neil. :D

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On another forum I have had a blog running for sometime about the progress I am making on my layout. I'm not sure if I'm alowed to link to it so I wont (as some forum do not permit you to link to other forums) but here is my latest entry.


Supergluing Squirrels to trees...
...amongst many other things was one of the scenery building activities I was undertaking over the festive period. Very slippery characters they are too!


I did a bit more work to my Swiss section.



A lot of plaster used here. My problem was that there is an access hatch which needs to be opened and closed for "maintenance" issues. This was a bit tricky to plaster and sceneic and be functional but I got there in the end.



This is a bit of an aerial prespective on how it currently looks. Still awaiting delivery of fir tree kits. :rolleyes:



I'm quite happy with this bit below, it just needs more trees. The other bits will get fiddled with a bit more.



In one of my last entrys I discussed using plasterboard for cuttings. I have discovered one of the main limitations of using thiis method. The difference between plaster soaked cloth and plasterboard is in the way they absorb paint and washes. With plaster it varies in how it absorbs paint and washes and much of the paint or wash runs down it to give a natural weathered effect whereas with plasterboard it soaks it all in so that it gives a uniform colour. For this reason I have put plaster of paris over some of the plasterboard to give it a more realistic weathered rock effect, as shown below.



A couple of shots of the Swiss station shown below. This area still has to get ballasted and catenary at some point and various fine details added, however the basics are there.





Finally an overall perspective from where this sectyion will be most frequently viewed.



With all this work on the Swiss mountain area I felt a bit guilty that I was not finishing off my Scottish section. I realised that I really need to get this area at least mostly finished as once work gets under way in other areas, it is probable that this section may get forgotten about. I intend to make a start on my German city section this Friday. I have a whole day to create an upper deck over the staging tracks and to add side panels. I have ordered the Faller road system starter set to install in this section as an added feature. I have also got a few completed buildings cluttering this section which adds impetus to the need to get this section started. However prior to this I wanted to get my Scottish section advanced significantly further towards completion.


There had been a few areas which needed decisions made on how to proceed. I decided that I would make a concerted effort to get this section over the halfway mark to make it at least presentable. What was outstanding, and probably the reason that I was giving this area a wide berth, was the area under and behind the bridge. I hadn't really made a solid plan about how I was going to finish it off. I decided to start with the definites and improvise from there on in.

I linked up the roads and paths with plaster, smoothed it when dry and painted them to start with.



Then put in a suitable girder bridge on the inner line.



I find painting the rails and ballasting pretty tedious stuff, however as climatic conditions were optimum (it was over 40 degrees for two consecutive days), I thought this was my best opportunity to get this part over and done with relatively quickly. With the high heat the glue and paint would dry rapidy and I could get it all done in one session rather than having to come back day after day. I thought I had ample ballast to get me through most of my layout. I have in fact used four bags of it on this one section!

I used Noch ballast as it is easily the best I have ever encountered. It is real crushed rock and is the colour of granite which is commonly used as ballast in Scotland.




So this was how I left things yesterday. The inner line was now looking a bit more complete.



I decided to do a bit more today and decided to ballast the outer two lines too. I also put in a new backdrop as the old one was inappropriate and the glue came through making it an eyesore. Only one of these still to replace now. The ballast on the inner section has been subjected to a series of washes to add realism.





So at the end of play today it was left looking like this. Almost there, just a few more weekends work and some half relief buildings in a couple of locations and some fine detailing, more people, weeds etc.



And the Squirrels? Well here they are along with a badger, a Ferret, a Hedgehog and some Rabbits.







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Feel perfectly free to place links to wherever you like Neil, as long as it's railway related. We aren't in competition with anyone here and we have very few rules.

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Robert wrote:Feel perfectly free to place links to wherever you like Neil, as long as it's railway related. We aren't in competition with anyone here and we have very few rules.

No problem Robert. I am aware that MRF do not allow this and thought it better to err on the side of caution. Here is a link to my Blog at MRF, although I will post new items here too. http://www.modelrailforum.com/forums/blog/neil_s_wood/index.php?

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Wow, Neil, after looking at all those pictures, let me get my breath! You make it sound like you aren't getting anything done! NOT!

I hope you didn't remove that backdrop with the mountains in it. I thought that was superb. It really looks natural.

Keep them coming!
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Terrific pictures, Neil. Thanks for showing them.
You have some quite complex areas to manage there, and the layout is wonderfully unique and varied, with a good sense of fun. I've never been near Switzerland but to me it has the right flavour.

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Thanks Wayne and Mike for your kind comments,

The backdrop with the mountains at the back was replaced recently but it was replaced with an identical one which didnt have the glue marks seeping through.

I tried to get a bit of variety in this layout as I like to run trains from different countries. It is also nice to model these different areas and try different techniques. I am dying to get cracking with the German part on Friday. I have been looking forward to this for some time.

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So you're from Leven, that would explain how you got the feel of the harbours just right :D very Crail \ Ainster like, you just need that famous chippie across the road from the harbour :D

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What a great set of pictures Neil.

I particularly liked the shots of the curved viaduct - a favourite structure of mine and one I hope to include on my layout.

Also, the rock faces on the Swiss section are fantastic - so realistic. Maybe you could do a step by step thread of how you did it. To me, flat slab type rocks are one of the most difficult things to get right - maybe there's a lot in the painting ?

Looking forward to the next installment.

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Lawrence wrote:So you're from Leven, that would explain how you got the feel of the harbours just right :D very Crail \ Ainster like, you just need that famous chippie across the road from the harbour :D

Hi Lawrence, the village is modelled on Lower Largo although the harbour was from a previous layout based on Crail which is why the harbour is shaped like the one in Crail rather than the river inlet in Lower Largo harbour. I had to make the viaduct curved for space reasons but other than that it is fairly close. The white building in the foreground is the Railway inn.

Good idea about the Anster chip shop, If I charged their prices it would fund a lot more construction. :lol:

Peter the flat slab rocks are made using plaster board, I did a entry in my blog on MRF on how to do this. I will put it in the scenery section here too.

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Sorry Neil - I noticed your link to your blog on MRF but hadn't been there !!

I'll have a look now. :oops: :oops: but it would be great to have it on here as well.

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Petermac wrote:Sorry Neil - I noticed your link to your blog on MRF but hadn't been there !!

I'll have a look now. :oops: :oops: but it would be great to have it on here as well.

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No problem Peter, I have put it in the scenery building section.

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Just been on your blog Neil and what a blog, full of info and i will almost certainly be keeping a eye on it mate.
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While modelling my Swiss section the other day I was suprised to see a Praying Mantis negotiating Susch station.



I have been doing other things lately. Mainly to the Swiss section of my layout. I bought a couple of Heki do it yourself pine tree kits; one which made 50 small trees and another which made 20 larger ones. I was fairly confident that this would fill up most of my alpine area.



This is what you get in the kit, a bottle of PVA glue and a bag of flock along with the appropriate number of pine tree frames. They are of the twisted wire variety but look fine once made. The biggest difficulty I found was flicking yourself and your surrounds with PVA glue.
So be careful where you do this. They make a pretty good Pine tree, I saw some out of the train window this morning that looked identical.



The trouble is now that I have added all seventy new trees to my layout, they don't really seem to have made all that big a difference. This is the area where they have been placed or planted rather and there is still a big space. I have anothe 20 large ones on the way from Germany so that should improve things a bit.



The other thing I did of late was to build one of the Sopa New Line Swiss railway building kits. I did a review of the kit here.

Here are some pictures of the building in place.









I have also been doing a fair bit of maintenance top my layout as I had been getting a short on one of my shuttle lines. It turns out it was the loco and not the wiring. My K.Pev P8 has some problem. It has already been in for repairs before because of the same problem. I removed it from the shuttle line and tried another loco which worked fine and another which worked fine. I then ran the P8 on the mainline for a while and I could see sparking underneath. I guess it will have to come apart for some inspection. I also had to de-assemble my Roco S3/6 for some maintenance and to instal a smoke generator. The problem here was that although theoretically you only have to push the smoke generator down through the chimney area, it will only go a certain way. So after dismantling it I got it to work and then put it all back together after lubricating it. Now runs like a dream.





P.S. I have just received news that a parcel has to be collected from the post office. I so hope this is my ECoS Mobile Control. :drool:

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Nice layout :!: :D Is the praying mantis in one of them wagons :lol:

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Super layout Neil!!!! I like those loco's! May have to rethink what I'm doing. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Neil - had to have a quick look at your "address" when I saw the praying mantis - didn't think they were too common in Switzerland !!

Love the shot of the pine trees on the hill near the bridge. I'd guess that's about the right density - as you say, there is a big space to fill.

Great photos. :wink: :wink:

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Just caught up with this thread and am gobsmacked at your layouts. The harbour one in particular is very lifelike and as Lawrence says very Fife.

Looking forward to the continuing development and maybe one day, just maybe .............

Happy Modelling

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have enough and you already have the plsterboard piece
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Neil lovely layout am i correct to assume it is one layout but scenically split into three diferant areas Scotland, Switzerland, Germany
or have i got it totally wrong?

cheers Brian.W

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Absolutely fascinating Neil with some great shots. It's good to see the mix you have achieved. :D

The preying mantis crawling down the side of the station is terrific - how about a sci-fi layout? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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henryparrot wrote:Neil lovely layout am i correct to assume it is one layout but scenically split into three diferant areas Scotland, Switzerland, Germany
or have i got it totally wrong?

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No you have it right Brian. One layout three countries.

The preying mantis crawling down the side of the station is terrific - how about a sci-fi layout?

That's possible, Busch, I think do a UFO and some aliens.

Neil - had to have a quick look at your "address" when I saw the praying mantis - didn't think they were too common in Switzerland !!

They are fairly common round here. First one in the garage though.

Super layout Neil!!!! I like those loco's! May have to rethink what I'm doing.

It's worth putting a lot of thought into what you want from your layout before getting started. The locos by the way are a Roco K.Bay S3/6 and a Trix SBB Be6/8 Crocodile.

Thanks for the kind comments and I shall be working on my German city scene for a while. I have finalised the size of the raised baseboards and can now start to put in cutting walls. I just have to decide on stone, brick or concrete.

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Neil, as always I'm seriously impressed with your layout as it progresses :!:
I've made no comment for a few weeks, but I think that you excelled yourself with your posting of Feb 12th.
Especially the third photo in the series of the loco about to go over the bridge.
The atmospheric scenery is awesome :!: :!:

Are the trees in that photo the Heki ones you made from the kit :?: They are as good a model of pines as I've seen (unless you want to pay 20+ for a hand made one)

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Just catching up, Neil.... thanks for reviewing that Sopa New Line kit - it looks really excellent, except out of place and period for my layout. I'm hearing some good things about that company.

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Hi Neil - Your layout looks great and so professional. One thing I would like to know though is how did you find the time to do the job the way you have? How many years?

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Gwent Rail wrote:Neil, as always I'm seriously impressed with your layout as it progresses :!:
I've made no comment for a few weeks, but I think that you excelled yourself with your posting of Feb 12th.
Especially the third photo in the series of the loco about to go over the bridge.
The atmospheric scenery is awesome :!: :!:

Are the trees in that photo the Heki ones you made from the kit :?: They are as good a model of pines as I've seen (unless you want to pay 20+ for a hand made one)



Yes Jeff, the Heki kits are available in 20 by 7-14cm trees Heki item 1502 or 50 by 3-7 cm trees Heki item 1501. These only cost me 15 euros from Modelbahn Kramm although I do get the vat off. http://www.modellbahn-kramm.com/index.cfm?sprache=E They are easy to make and better than many ready made. It is an excellent way to make a lot of forest cheaply. Suppliers in the UK will probably be able to order them in for you.

thanks for reviewing that Sopa New Line kit

The Sopa New Line kit is very good. They are pricy but you do get what you pay for.

One thing I would like to know though is how did you find the time to do the job the way you have? How many years?

Not as long as you think Rolbar, about a year and half on this layout I think.

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Having used plasterboard to reasonable effect for cuttings I decided to elaborate on what can be done with this medium and see how it can be used for brick. The end results are good but the process is laborious and messy. However I am no fan of card backgrounds and wanted something more authentic. Having said that there is a lot to be said for the easyness of Vollmer and Faller brick card and that I certainly would not quible with anyone who preferred to use that medium.

So here is the section which will be using the brick cuttings. This is going to be a German city scene with raised city street sections. The Faller road system will operate here along with a busy city street scene.



As before the first step is to strip the paper from one side leaving the paper intact on the other to preserve structural integrity.



Having done a fair bit of this over the last month I have found that you now want to file the stripped surface flat if you want an even new build sort of finish. If you do not then leave it uneven and it will represent older crumbling brickwork. The next stage is to use a steel rule to etch the brick work effect into the plasterboard.



The vertical lines have to be done by hand and yes, this is very time consuming.



Next step is to give it a colour wash with your choice of brick colour thinned with turps. I then add subsequent layes of water based washes to weather.



These are added in the form of tiles one by one to make up the area required. Joins can be disguised, if not tight fitting, by buttresses or weeds.
In this picture I am using some of my largest locos to check for width and freedom of passage as at this stage I am in a position to do somethinmg about it.



These are all attached with PVA glue. The ends and buttresses can be easily made up from small offcuts.





Here are some pictures which show my first efforts at the top and my most recent at the bottom. You learn as you go along. This isn't too much of a problem as they can be touched up with weeds etc to hide any major irregularities.





This is how it is looking pre-detailing.



Here are some close ups of the cuttings in their pre-weathered state with some gratuitous locos shots.





Here are some pictures after scenicing has been applied to the brickwork.

























In conclusion it is a lot of work but is worth it for the authentic effect. It's probably better for stone than brick as bricks are pretty small in HO/OO scales. I still have not decide exactly how I will tackle the opposite side but imagine it will all fall into place as it goes along. I have to install Tillig point motors underneath this section on all points before proceeding with this section so that will come first. I have done half of these so far. I will also at some point need to make bridges. Rather than buy kits I am looking at using the same process on a finer scale that I used for making my viaduct. This may be a while as the list of things to do on this layout is getting bigger by the minute.

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I don't think we'll have too many complaints about the gratuitous loco shots :lol: :lol: They look fabulous.

Neil your stonework is brilliant! That last picture really shows it well, with each block having rounded edges. Seriously good stuff.

Mike

P.S. do you have your big pine trees from Germany yet?

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you have devised a way of producing totally inique stonework.
every section is going to be differant as it would be in reality.
this is something you could never buy of the shelf as any production model stonework has to be repetative for production reasons.
I think you have made a great job of it .

cheers Brian.W

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Neil , very well done, I have sent one photo to Robbo.

One of my close friends does a lot of stone & brickwork by scribing into 2.4mm balsa & has done many, many buildings & walls, etc that way but Neil's method is very good as it is thicker & thus more stable.

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Neil - that's absolutely brilliant.

You've solved a problem I was thinking about - how to do stone retaining walls for my layout without needing a bank loan !!

All the photos are superb and the step by step appraoch is fantastic - it's amazing how it takes shape.

Don't say anything to the other members but I can see many of these photos coming up for "next week's header selection" :roll: :roll:

Maybe you've said it before but:
a. How do you get the paper facing off ?
b. How do you "file" a flat surface ?
c. Do you use a blunt knife for the scribing or shaped blade or what to get both the deep-ish mortar lines and the rounded edges on the stones ?

Great stuff - I'm very, very impressed. :wink:

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MikeC wrote:I don't think we'll have too many complaints about the gratuitous loco shots :lol: :lol: They look fabulous.
Mike

P.S. do you have your big pine trees from Germany yet?


Yes Mike, I had actually forgotten about them. I still have those to make. These are one of the items on the list.

every section is going to be differant as it would be in reality.

That's right Brian. You craft each single section so no two look the same. It gives a genuine stone look too.

but Neil's method is very good as it is thicker & thus more stable.

Hi Ron, It is thicker but you have to be careful in regard to strength. Once you have peeled the paper on one side it becomes weakened and prone to fracture if not handled gently. Fractures are not too much of an issue as this is prototypical. Many old walls have cracks which go through the brockwork but for structural integrity you want to minimise this. I put the plasterboard on a flat surface while etching it to ensure that it doesn't gey broken. It also pastes with PVA glue quite readily so it would adhere to balsa. Perhaps Robbo could use the balsa as a frame to put this exterior onto?

Maybe you've said it before but:
a. How do you get the paper facing off ?
b. How do you "file" a flat surface ?
c. Do you use a blunt knife for the scribing or shaped blade or what to get both the deep-ish mortar lines and the rounded edges on the stones ?


Hi Peter,
a/ I take the facing paper off with a stanley knife on one side only . This maintains its strength. This is probably the hardest part of the process and should be done carefully. The more often you do it, the better you get.
b/ The surface is often not completely flat due to the process of removing the paper on one side. The knife often digs in to the plasterboard and creates ruts. This is good for cliffs and cuttings but not for brick. For brick you want it completely flat unless you are trying to represent really old crumbling brick. I use a large file which I clean frequently with a wire brush.
c/ I use a stanley knife for scribing the lines however a finer modelling knife would also be good.

Thanks for the kind comments guys. I'm may take a break before part two and do something different. Those trees for instance. I have to do the same amount of stonework on the other side and it will be a bit of work.

cheers

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Just caught up with this, Neil and once again I think you've come up with a total winner.
I've used various commercial walling products for retainers in the past and the best has been from International Models. This is just as good, has the benefit of greater variation and is one hell of a lot cheaper :!:

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Well even more stonework has been done on my layout. I wont waste time with the how to as I have gone through this before. Here are some pictures of the latest developments.

This is the basic frame to which the stonework will be attached.



It had to have a hinged lid as access may be needed in future.




Onto this frame was attached the precarved sheets of plasterboard. These have still to be weathered and weeds added. I will hold off ballasting this area for a bit as I have to install a few more point motors in this area and may need to move things around.













Just one more section to go and that's now underway. I will be glad once it's finished. I'm not good with repetitive boring tasks. Not long to go now. :rolleyes:

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Neil, when you have finished, come back here for a holiday & do mine - I have a spare bed :lol:

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By the time I get this finished Ron, I could probably do with it! :wink:

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Great work on those walls Neil, if I was doing OO I'd give it a go, but not in N :? Didn't realise how huge your layout is, fantastic body of work, certainly got your hands full for a while yet.

Not being to "up" on German railways so why did they paint the wheels red?

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Very nice, you are making excellent progress. Are you planning to install an operating roadway for you road vehicles as it looks like you are fitting a metal strip on to the road area - or is it me imagining things!

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Lawrence wrote:Great work on those walls Neil, if I was doing OO I'd give it a go, but not in N :? Didn't realise how huge your layout is, fantastic body of work, certainly got your hands full for a while yet.

Not being to "up" on German railways so why did they paint the wheels red?


Hi Lawrence, I have heard ,but not confirmed, that it was because it is easier to see any cracks in the metal should they appear.

Over here a lot of people have big layouts as space is easier to come by to build in. Mine is smaller than most over here and would be regarded as a small layout at 5 metres by 3.

Hi Novice, yes I am installing the Faller road system, I'm still shuffling the route and buildings around and deciding where they will sit permanently. Thats why the wire is just taped at this point. here's a couple of pictures of that.


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I love the variety on your layout Neil. So many interesting loads in transit, too. Can't wait to see the road system up and running.

Mike

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MikeC wrote:I love the variety on your layout Neil. So many interesting loads in transit, too. Can't wait to see the road system up and running.

Mike


Hi Mike,

I have given it a few trial runs and it is pretty good. Adds another dimension to the layout. That will be the next thing after I finalise all the stonework.

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Neil,
Wow, what a layout you have there. I can't wait to see more about this Faller road system, never heard of it. Sounds very unique though.
Thanks for the blow by blow description on the walls, very nicely done!

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Wayne Williams wrote:Neil,
Wow, what a layout you have there. I can't wait to see more about this Faller road system, never heard of it. Sounds very unique though.
Thanks for the blow by blow description on the walls, very nicely done!

Wayne


Thanks Wayne, here's some more info I did for a friends website and I have included a couple of pages from the Faller catalogue to wet your appetite.


The Faller Road System is becoming a popular addition to many layouts as it adds another dimension of movement to the layout. While primarily available in German HO outline it can be modified to cover other outlines such as American HO and UK OO with much success. In my layout I have not needed to modify it as I am using it in a modern German scene. The truck that cam with the starter set is an American Kenworth however these can be seen in many countries so it can fit many scenes.

I bought a starter set as it is economical and gives you everything you need to get going. The starter set comes with full English and German instructions and are fairly easy to understand. There are many accessories which you can use to enhance the basic starter set so it may be worth considering which of these you intend to install so that you plan for these when setting the set up. The system works by having motorised vehicles follow a strip of metal wire by means of a magnet attached to the front of the vehicle.

The first thing to do is to charge the battery and see how your vehicle runs. The speed is fine on mine. The next thing is to start to plan your route. The set includes the wire which the truck follows. It is fine to stick this down with tape to start with as you assess the ability of your vehicle to negotiate curves and gradients. This may take a little while.

Once you have finalised your pathway you then cover the wire with a clay compound which makes a road. This is then painted and there is a set of decals provided to stick on to simulate road markings. Once this done you switch your vehicle on and place it above where the wire is on the road and watch it drive round your model streets. Just one more thing to bring your layout alive.







If you've found this of interest then there is more on the road system in the Faller catalogue which can be viewed online on the Lokshop website.

http://catalog.lokshop.de/FAL/2006_2007/EX/page_32.html The Car System starts from page 380 onwards.

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The road system has always fascinated me, Neil, but I'm not sure my skill stretches to integrating it with a 1950's layout

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Gwent Rail wrote:The road system has always fascinated me, Neil, but I'm not sure my skill stretches to integrating it with a 1950's layout

Hi Jeff, you really need to think about it at the planning stage as it needs minimum curves of 15cm's for turning. Most layouts have far smaller curves as they tend to have country lanes etc. It is very difficult to go back and do this on an established layout, however if you are starting a new layout it really adds a lot.

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I really had had enough of the stone wall carving so I figured it was time for something a bit different; brick carving, well a little bit. I needed to find something to cap the cuttings with and a brick wall seemed like a good idea. To do this would involve removing both sides of the paper from the plasterboard. This was difficult as it gets really fragile. It was also very time consuming. This was the result.





It's ok but not great and definitley not worth the time investment. So I have ordered about four metres of Busch ornamental railings to use instead. I will set it on a wood plinth soaked in plaster and stained to look like stone.

I also finished off the stone wall work. The next project was the middle bit between the walled city bit and the Swiss bit. This was a relic from my previous layout and needed an upgrade. I wasn't that happy with the river as the painting underneath wasn't brilliant but the option was to remove this entire section and to build it from scratch which wasn't an option really as I have build too much on it. So a cosmetic upgrade was the next step. Some serious scenicing had to be done. First step plaster over all the previous paper mache work. Paint it then a base coat of fine flock. On top of this I put a couple of types of reeds next to the river and various types of Siliflor for wild grasses and bushes. Some coarser flock too.









I added an iron girder type bridge and put this on brick supports made from, you guessed it: Plasterboard. I am happy with how the brick looks and now reckon I am about 80% done with this side of the section. The other side I will do later from the other side.















I have also started making level crossings out of wood. I have quite a lot of wooden strips from the days when I used to make wooded boats so a variety of strips were used, stained and then glued into place. I am not sure whether I want a fully tarmaced road. I am thinking once tarmaced but fairly crumbled and weathered. Still have to think about this a bit more.





So here are some shots of how it now looks. I have run out of ballast and other scenics so I will have to halt until stocks are replenished.







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Great going Neil. Is the bright turquoisey colour at the river's edges painted underneath the water, and therefore inaccessible? To me it's the only jarring note.

Would you get gorse in that region? I was thinking it'd look nice blooming there. Pretty easy to add the orangey/gingery blooms with paint. I just about managed it when trying for autumn colour.
The variety in grass textures and types is terrific.
Lovely photos.

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Hi Mike, the turquoisy colour is under 5mm of epoxy resin so I am in the position that I scrap the board and start again or use it. Another option which I am considering, as it really does ruin it, is mixing a small amount of epoxy resin with a dye in it to replicate muddy water and putting that over the top. The only problem with that is that the resin is already at the edge of the Board so I will have to add a new backboard to contain it but the more I think about it, it has to be done. Ah well off to Bunnings again!


Trouble is when you do a bit that looks OK the bits that suck become more prominent. :cry:

The area depicted is actually supposed to be Bavaria. I have put UK outline locos in it as mopst people aren't too interested in German outline. I honestly don't know if you get gorse in Bavaria. I have a lot of gorse in the Scottish section as we have loads of it at home.

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some really good pics,i do like the northumbrian train,smart.
:wink: :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)

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Oh well, geography was never my strong suit :) :) :)

Could you maybe grow foliage out over the bright colour? It would narrow the river a bit, but it would save a lot of work. Might be worth a go just placing some foliage clumps on top to see. I like the rest of the riverbed.

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MikeC wrote:Oh well, geography was never my strong suit :) :) :)

Could you maybe grow foliage out over the bright colour? It would narrow the river a bit, but it would save a lot of work. Might be worth a go just placing some foliage clumps on top to see. I like the rest of the riverbed.

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I could extend the reed bed out a bit. I'll have a look when I go home and see how extensive this will need to be.

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I agree with Mike's comments, if you can get rid of that bright colour on the river edge it will be a great scene.
How about just painting some muddy acrylic washes over the top? and then adding more vegetation as discussed.
The grassed slope between the tracks is very good and the brick work very neat.
Keep 'em coming.

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Marty wrote:I agree with Mike's comments, if you can get rid of that bright colour on the river edge it will be a great scene.
How about just painting some muddy acrylic washes over the top? and then adding more vegetation as discussed.
The grassed slope between the tracks is very good and the brick work very neat.
Keep 'em coming.


The problem is Marty, that the painting is underneath a layer of epoxy resin, you can't paint on top of it without it looking far worse because then it would highlight the difference in height between the bottom and top layers. If you did it all over then you would lose the depth effect altogether. Cracking it off isn't an option as I already had to chisel out a little bit to get the brickwork in and that was a major feat.

The options are to pour another couple of mm layer with an opaque muddy colour or to put more reeds in to obscure it. I've been out to Hearns Hobbies at lunchtime and bought a couple more woodland scenics field grass things to do some more reeds with. That should hopefully do it. Will report back once done and see what you guys think. I can still always pour more resin if the reeds idea doesn't work.

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Bugger!
Something worth remembering when I get to pouring my rivers.
Thanks Neil.
I reckon that further reeds and may be a riverbank shrub or two, should do the trick.
Good luck.

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Marty wrote:Bugger!
Something worth remembering when I get to pouring my rivers.
Thanks Neil.
I reckon that further reeds and may be a riverbank shrub or two, should do the trick.
Good luck.


Thanks mate, I reckon I'll need it.

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As always a lovely layout, it looks fine to me but what do i know i am a very much novice.
But i still love it thou.
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phill wrote:As always a lovely layout, it looks fine to me but what do i know i am a very much novice.
But i still love it thou.
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Thanks Phil, that's very kind of you. We are all learning in one way or another.

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I always enjoy looking at your layout pictures as there is so much going on. You have made terrific progress and I like the river bridges very much.

Great stuff!

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Novice wrote:Neil

I always enjoy looking at your layout pictures as there is so much going on. You have made terrific progress and I like the river bridges very much.

Greta stuff!

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Thanks Bob, One of the bridges is a Metcalfe kit and easily available. The other one is two Peco bridge sides set on plaster inscribed to look like brick.

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Neil one of the reasons I find your layout so interesting is the multi-level design, but maybe more than that, even on low-lying parts you still have scenery below track level. It must give you endless variety when taking photos. Videos, too!



That's something I'll try to keep in mind when building my New England layout, although I can't elevate the tracks much because they must link with the other side. Thankfully I can excavate 2inches of foam base before I hit the table.

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Yes, Mike. This is something I designed into the layout. There are actually minimal inclines on the main tracks on this layout, very slight. It is the baseboards that vary in height relative to the trackway. I felt that a three dimensional aspect was important as this how a railway line is in real life. e.g. the land rises and drops but the line remains relatively level. Actually having said that this is true of Scotland and Switzerland however other countries have more level ground. I quite like the perspective in the photo you selected as this is what we, as rail enthusiasts often, see when we are looking at real locos. In general we tend to look up at locomotives and trains rather than down. I had thought about doing some video but I'm not sure about how to upload it to the net and post it yet.


I have been doing a lot of reworking to this area since these pictures were taken as there were many things in the pictures I didn't like. Pictures really highlight things that often the maked eye will ignore. I pulled the Metcalfe card bridge and have made a new bridge out of plasterboard. I have bought a couple of packs of the Busch daisies which have been distrubuted around the area. I am still waiting on Lupins, ferns and mushrooms to finish this area off. I got some nice trees from Richard Johnsons place in Perth but will install them last. I have also added the remaining level crossings and continued with the ballasting. I'll post some photos once I have got the remaining scenics installed so you can see the changes.

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Looking forward to those updated photos Neil.
I planned the NE layout to have the same feeling of a railway in the landscape as you have, still got to see if the plan works yet though on mine.

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Marty wrote:Looking forward to those updated photos Neil.
I planned the NE layout to have the same feeling of a railway in the landscape as you have, still got to see if the plan works yet though on mine.


I went for a minimalist approach as there is often only one or two lines going through the landscape in real life. You can't spend too much time in planning Marty. I left my tracks for about a year before I started ballasting so that I could rip it up and make changes too as often issues only come to light through running trains.

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After last months instalment I got a bit of feedback on an aspect of this scene which was a bit, well, not great. The green under the water was an issue and, as it was under 6mm of epoxy resin, it was not a matter of just painting over. Once epoxy resin sets it has to be chiselled off. This would have meant starting all over again so I didnt opt for that. I have extended the water reeds out to cover the green bits and this looks ok, I think.









I have tidied up other bits that I didnt like. The Metcalfe bridge is gone and has been replaced with a plasterboard etched facing, which I am quite pleased with. Its supposed to be Portland limestone which has a creamy colour like buildings in Oxford. However some types of light makes it look a bit too yellow. If I get feedback that its a bit too yellow I might just keep piling on the weathering to loose that bright look.





I have also been on the hunt for willow trees. I liked the ones from Richard Johnsons shop however hes out of them at the moment and got some other ones to try out. I will still hold out for the willow as I think it will look great in the section to the left of the stone bridge.

I have also been in the market for some Preiser figures. I thought some guys fishing would be good as I also enjoy fishing too.



Some water fowl too to make it a bit more authentic.



I have extended the crossing boards across another couple of tracks. I am leaving the final one for the moment as I will probably install point motors under the points in this section. This will inevitably require lifting the tracks or at the very least some movement from their current position.



I have weathered the road a bit to make it look dusty like a country road and it looks ok so far. I am looking for pictures of run down country road where the tarmac has decayed substantially so I have a better idea of what I am trying to recreate however there doesnt seem to be many on the net for some reason.

I also got some Busch accessories to enhance things a bit. Tim Hale showed the use of the Busch daisies on his website which I was quite impressed with so I have added them. You get 120 in a packet, both yellow and white. I got two packets which I initially thought was too much however once you start adding them to meadows and so on they soon get used up. I also ordered some Busch ferns, mushrooms and wild lupins however they have yet to turn up. They will get added to this area in the appropriate places when they do.



I also added fencing to the top of my German city area. I have made backboards for most of the areas now as I need to protect the layout from people leaning on it and so on. I have also come up with a plan for hiding the pass through hole between the UK section and the German city scene. I will make a half relief stone bridge out of plasterboard to cover it. This will be high on my list as it is an eyesore at the moment.







All in all it is starting to look a bit better. I have a BRMA meeting in September at my place so I am hoping to get things presentable by then. Guess Id better hide the German locos!









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Looking good Neil, the water does look better.

the 3rd photo showing the new plasterboard bridge - very nice but it seems you have had some earth movement - large cracks at the top of the arches :P

Now re the forthcoming BRMA meet - leave the German locos on - sure to create a talking point :!:

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Sol wrote:Looking good Neil, the water does look better.

the 3rd photo showing the new plasterboard bridge - very nice but it seems you have had some earth movement - large cracks at the top of the arches :P

Now re the forthcoming BRMA meet - leave the German locos on - sure to create a talking point :!:


That's right Ron it is very brittle stuff to work with and easily cracked. However real stone work does crack under stress and it is not unusual to see faults like this in walls and retaining walls. Given the weight of freight that travelled over some lines since the 19th century some stone bridges would be showing similar signs of stress. I don't think it looks too out of line with real life.

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That's a terrific array of photos, Neil. I love all the small scenic touches and the river looks great and very fishable. Please reserve me a spot on the bank. Great job on disguising the turquoise.
I wouldn't have a clue what Portland limestone should look like, but you said you might weather it more yet and I think it'll continue to look better and better as you do that. Gee you have some interesting loads on your wagons!
Thanks for showing us all of that.

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Thanks Mike, I wouldn't mind doing a bit of fishing myself.

The set on the middle bridge was Fleischmann anniversary set of antique cars and wagons.

By the way if an engineer is looking at this I wouldn't mind hearing your opinion on the bridge crack?

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Just an idea, Neil - you could always place one of those iron bracings across it like I've seen on old buildings - it'd look rather good. [Looks good already]

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MikeC wrote:Just an idea, Neil - you could always place one of those iron bracings across it like I've seen on old buildings - it'd look rather good. [Looks good already]

I had thought about that. It would be easy to make them from strips of foil. I was also thinking about some type of creeping plant. Maybe clematis, then could add flowers.

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I love this layout and I very much like the way you have improved the bridge area. It looked good before but now is even more effective, with lots of nice little touches. You must be very pleased with the results. It is also so great to see so much progress on a layout.

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they are cracking photos (no pun intended )the bridge is spot on,
i think a header pic is in the making !!!
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Neil, once again your perserverence has paid off.
The bridge scene now looks the biz and the waters edge treatment has worked well.

I'd add my opinion to the others regarding the weathering of the bridge.
The colour as shown on screen is a pretty good representation of new Portland limestone, but in practice it didn't / doesn't stay as clean looking for more than a few months (especially in a steam railway location).
A few weak washes of some "dirty black/ burnt umber" mix should do the trick nicely.

As far as the old country road is concerned, a tiny bit of picking at the surface with a compass point (to simulate wear) and a wash over with the same mix I've mentioned above + a little dark grey, should help.
This should help to tone down the blue hue that is apparent in the photo (or is it the camera :?: )
On one road, I've built, I've actually gouged a small section out, filled it with fine ballast and painted it a very dark grey to simulate a recent repair.
I also used a small splodge of filler, ran through it (whilst drying) with an old lorry and painted it dark brown, to suggest mud left by farm machinery.
The possibilities are endless, but the good thing is that it's hard to completely wreck the job :!: :!:

Nice work and good photos. Thanks for the update, Neil.

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Neil,

It looks wonderful. I cant remember you getting comments about that area before but whatever they were it certainly looks excellent now.

Although it's a BRMA meeting, I agree with Sol about leaving the German locomotives on, remember this is basically a European layout and you would expect to see them. That 3rd Reich streamliner is a fabulous engine, and is not one that is usually seen - a real beaut. :D

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What a cracking layout you have there mate, a excellent job. As for the German Loco's, leave them be its your layout if they dont like it tell them to leave mate :D :D
Love the fishermen and the one sat on the bridge, hope they dont blow the whistle on that loco might make him fall in :D :D
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Great work Neil, really like the fishing scene and the reeds around the river look great.

The wall colour is excellent I think, the grey ends look a tad out of place tho, maybe it is just the light, if you are going to do any work I would try and blend the ends in with the sides cause the sides look great. :D

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Gwent Rail wrote:Neil, once again your perserverence has paid off.
The bridge scene now looks the biz and the waters edge treatment has worked well.

I'd add my opinion to the others regarding the weathering of the bridge.
The colour as shown on screen is a pretty good representation of new Portland limestone, but in practice it didn't / doesn't stay as clean looking for more than a few months (especially in a steam railway location).
A few weak washes of some "dirty black/ burnt umber" mix should do the trick nicely.

As far as the old country road is concerned, a tiny bit of picking at the surface with a compass point (to simulate wear) and a wash over with the same mix I've mentioned above + a little dark grey, should help.
This should help to tone down the blue hue that is apparent in the photo (or is it the camera :?: )
On one road, I've built, I've actually gouged a small section out, filled it with fine ballast and painted it a very dark grey to simulate a recent repair.
I also used a small splodge of filler, ran through it (whilst drying) with an old lorry and painted it dark brown, to suggest mud left by farm machinery.
The possibilities are endless, but the good thing is that it's hard to completely wreck the job :!: :!:

Nice work and good photos. Thanks for the update, Neil.


Thanks for the kind comments guys.

I had actually used dark grey washes on the bridge but what happens is that, because they are water based and the paint underneath is turps based, they soak into the lines to highlight the brickwork. I will use a more concentrated solution than before or maybe a turps based paint. I have some weathering powders so I may experiment with them.

The road is painted with Tamiya grey paint. It does look blue for some reason. I have rubbed it over with a mix of weathering powder to simulate dirt and debris. I willl try some of your ideas as they sound good. I had also tried using pva glue for puddles but wasn't pleased with the results so I painted it over.

They grey ends are supposed to be a different stone used in the cuttings and walls of the city. They do contrast strongly with the bridge though. However this will lessen once it gets more grimed and weathered.

Thanks for the vote of confidence with the German locos. I think the BRMA meeting is in for as surprise. Why not after all we had a selection of New Zealand locos at the last meeting!

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Neil I was thinking about your decaying road. Perhaps if you make its edge a bit more ragged, have some gravel at the edges [e.g. fine sand or sifted ballast] and then glue some of that fine stuff onto the road near the edges it might work. Jeff's idea of repairs is good too.

Some marvellous scnery of railroads [and roads] in a sad state of decay can be found here: http://www.oldnyc.com/index.html
It's American prototype, but bursting with inspiration for scenic modelling applicable to anywhere. I think you'll love it.

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Thanks for that Mike. I will give that a whirl I have some fine ballast which I can colour and use and an interesting selection of weathering powders. I will see what I can come up with.

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A great job covering the turquoise at the river edges Neil, nicely done.
Looks like a competition to me... river must be a good 'un for fish.

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Time for an update on what I've been doing.

I added more weathering to the bridge. It could probably still do with some more though.



I also added some Lupins.



With the help of MikeC who provided some excellent rickety road pictures I added more weathering to my road.



I made more plasterboard walls to go round the German country section station. I will finish this off and scenic it a bit at some point in the future.





I was never happy with the backdrops so I have painted sky over most of them. The one where the German city scene backs onto the Scottish fishing village gets a walk over bridge to disguise the hole between the two sections. I am still deciding on how to do the walkway on the right. Probably have it coming down at 90degrees to the overpass.




The one which adjoins the German city section now has a cliff face on it. The opening between the two is now a tunnel.







Still needs tidied up a bit but you get the idea.

After that I returned to my Fife coastal village section to renovate and improve some of it. Continuing on the subject ofbackdrops I redid these too. I have raised the level of the horizon by bring up the sea.





However where it all goes wrong is the new raised backdrop I have put in to keep little hands off.



If you can drag your eyes from the crashed car for a moment you can see in the corner that the sea is pretty high up relative to the sky on the adjoing panel. I don't want to have a similarly high sea level on the side bit as it just wont look right. The high level at the front was supposed to give the impression of being high up as the viewer would be scale wise. I'll need to ponder this one a bit more.

I did a lot of tidying up and adding scenery to the fishing village. I made some gorse bushes using Busch foliage material. I find it better than the lichen stuff I used before. I also removed a building which just didn't belong to give more space.





I added some tyres to the side of the docks.



I put one of the cottages down on the pier which is a bit like the harbour at Cellardyke where there are a couple of houses at the side.



Here's some pictures of how it looks now.















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Bloody marvelous mate, i just love this layout the more i see it and the scenery is just outstanding mate outstanding well done.
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Neil, well done.
It is as if you need a scenic divider betwen sea & behind the houses & yes, you will need to ponder on this.
The scenery experts are still asleep up north of the equator but the others down under may have ideas.

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Wow you guys were quick. I only posted that a fw minutes ago.

I have already come up with a plan. The Haven pub in Cellardyke.



I am going to have a go at making this out of plasterboard in half relief. I will then extend the sea behind it.

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Superb,
Love the sand with the high tide line and the high horizon works for me too.
Really good progress.

The Haven will fit in beautifully in the village but I'm not so sure how you are going to make the horizon transition from high to low as you go around the corner :?:

Is water in the harbour epoxy resin too? Personally I really like how you can see the bottom and sand through it.

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Marty wrote:Superb,
Love the sand with the high tide line and the high horizon works for me too.
Really good progress.

The Haven will fit in beautifully in the village but I'm not so sure how you are going to make the horizon transition from high to low as you go around the corner :?:


Thanks mate.

I will have to keep the sea at the same level Marty, but obscure it with some buildings and maybe a tree further inland. I may have to play around with it a bit.

Yes the water is epoxy resin. It is the best option for calm water as it gives you depth and reflection.

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It's looking great, Neil. I just love the variety of plant life near the road and between the rail lines.
I think the pub and some other buildings will work well. It should give the impression that the land doesn't just stop right behind. You'll maybe end up with the impression that you're looking along the coastline, and that would mean a lot less sea.
It's amazing the problems that this hobby throws at us.
Looking forward to the next installment.

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That's a great idea Mike, and typical of that sort of coastline. The potential is there... realising it is the hard part.

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MikeC wrote:It's looking great, Neil. I just love the variety of plant life near the road and between the rail lines.
I think the pub and some other buildings will work well. It should give the impression that the land doesn't just stop right behind. You'll maybe end up with the impression that you're looking along the coastline, and that would mean a lot less sea.
It's amazing the problems that this hobby throws at us.
Looking forward to the next installment.

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cheers Mike thanks for the kind words.

That's given me an idea about dropping the sea. If it did fade into the horizon it would drop a little on the left hand side of the side panel. I will have to find other sea pics as the sea one I have uised is very much head on. I will need one which gets more distant as you go left.

I really hope this isn't incomprehensible.

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...well it's getting a tad confusing :) I'm not sure if you mean you're going to alter the level where sea meets sky...? from one panel to the next...? I could be wrong but I don't know how you could get away with it.
I was suggesting the shoreline could climb towards the horizon, requiring less sea. Maybe you could even have some distant land to break up the emptiness back there. Getting a bit complex though :)

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Curvature of the earth at the horizon will allow for a little lowering I would have thought, I can see where you are coming from Neil and reckon it could be done.

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Yes I guess it could be done, as long as the join is blurry, as you said, Neil, and also assuming you couldn't see the higher horizon alongside. I guess the blurring is the key to it.

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I think the concept is to start high at the join and then fade and lower into the distance along the side board, maybe have most of the sideboard as a headland and just a little bit of sea in the last quarter near the join.

Maybe something like this?

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Marty wrote:I think the concept is to start high at the join and then fade and lower into the distance along the side board, maybe have most of the sideboard as a headland and just a little bit of sea in the last quarter near the join.

Maybe something like this?


That's what I had in mind but didn't phrase very well. Thanks guys. I think we're all on the same track.

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As requested (elsewhere) here are some pics of the trees I made from the seamoss and Anita Decor foliage. At this point I have only used one colour of foliage. I have another darker Anita Decor one and some Busch stuff with a different texture. I will thicken this up a bit with different colours and textures to make it a bit more foliated. A lot of those track side dvd's show that there are loads of bushes and I have found that the seamoss is great for custom made bushes.

These are the freshly made trees.



Here they are in place.
















And a couple of warts and all ones.



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My goodness you have really brought this layout to life. Amazing what a bit of greenery can do. It looks superb.

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Beautiful, great job. Nicely blended ground cover too.
I just have to be careful not to show T these photos or she is going to be wanting meadow flowers too... and in N scale that is going to take some doing.

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Lovely trees Neil - very impressive

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Excellent Neil. You really seem to have developed great expertise with scenery and it shows. :D

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Superb stuff Neil. You can be head gardener on my layout any time!!!
Some candidates in that lot for a header photo too,I should think.

Cheers,John.B.

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Excellent trees and i too think the ground cover is cracking !!!

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Thanks guys your kind comments are much appreciated. I reckon the trees really cap it off well. They are not hard to make either. It's seamoss from International Models with Anita Decor foliage. Makes the best model trees I have seen.

I'm going to experiment with different colours of foliage next week as I have a bit of time off, supposedly for redecorating the living room but, hey, you have to do something while the paints drying!

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Neil Wood wrote: I reckon the trees really cap it off well. They are not hard to make either. It's seamoss from International Models with Anita Decor foliage. Makes the best model trees I have seen.


Does anyone know if these materials are available in the UK? (I've searched the web but couldn't find any suppliers here).
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no luck so far Ken, so i got some woodland ones to try,the armatures seem ok.
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Nice work Neil I like the ground cover and trees the layout is certainly coming to life now.

Ken wrote:Neil Wood wrote: I reckon the trees really cap it off well. They are not hard to make either. It's seamoss from International Models with Anita Decor foliage. Makes the best model trees I have seen.


Does anyone know if these materials are available in the UK? (I've searched the web but couldn't find any suppliers here).
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Ken, for sea moss try Greenscene http://website.lineone.net/~john.s.lloyd/
Look under products for "forest in a box"

OR International Models http://www.internationalmodels.net/

Seamoss makes great Silver birch trees I'm going to get some for Pen-y-Bont.

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You can get everything you need on this page. Scroll down the page and it mentions the Anita Decor stuff.

http://www.internationalmodels.net/acatalog/Seamoss.html

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Looks really good,very impressed. All the different shades of green and textures are ace :D

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Sorry for the delay in answering, I've been redecorating the living room and was too exhausted to go on the net yesterday. As previously advised it is pretty much all from International Models. They sell some of the best scenic stuff available. There is a good starter set for the sea moss which includes all you need to get started making trees like the ones shown. It is the forest in a flash a 14quid and contains sea moss, glue and a bag of Anita Decor foliage. I have found the Anita Decor foliageto be the best I have seen so far. However you do want to vary it a bit to make different style trees. There is also the advantage of making small trees and bushes and they are all unique. The grass is Siliflor which comes in a variety of colours and sizes.

I have also got some bullrushes and Ivy (also from International models) which I have yet to use. The Ivy looks great and is only 5 quid a packet.

Thanks for the kind comments guys.

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Well I had a go at making a building from plasterboard. Here is how it went.

Fisrt step cut the front to size and mark out the windows and doors. Cut these out with a Stanley knife before taking the front paper of the plasterboard.



Plasterboard doesn't give you such fine edges as you'll need for door posts etc so I have used wood for these pasrts.





Here are some of the parts before painting. The roof is off a Hornby pub. I have painted the main facade however I tried tqwo methods to start with. The bottom has wooden edging which is easier to paint but a pain to do as you have wait on the glue drying before you can get cracking with the next bit. The top half I painted free hand.



Next I did two side pieces. This is only a half relief building as I wanted to see how it worked out before trying anything more substantial.



Here I have added windows taken from another structure. I have sorted out a chimney and some doors too.



I had to re do the sides as I noticed belatedly that the roof does not overhang the sides.



I started adding the drainpipes and pub sign etc as it's about finished now. The paint is still a bit wet. I will do some touch up once this coat dries. I'm quite happy with it for a first attempt. I have learnt a few things now to bear in mind next time.





This is what I am aiming to represent so judge for yourself how it turned out.

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That is first class, Neil - looks just like the real thing.
How long did it take to build?

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very good indeed mate, looks as close to the real thing as you can get, been me doing it i would of beem thousnads of miles out, well done.
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I have to say that when I first started reading I thought "this looks awful" and could not see why you were bothering! Within a couple of photos though it took life and the final result is just breathtaking!

Having never built anything from scratch I am in total awe of how anybody can see a piece of plasterboard and think "I can build a pub out of that" and then go ahead and make a totally convincing model. Amazing.

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Excellent result and a good way to produce low relief, inexpensive backing scenes. One question about the material though - is it plaster board or expanded polystyrene sheets that you are using, it is hard to be sure from the pictures? If the latter what glue did you use?

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Thanks for the kind comments guys. This was mainly an experiment to see how good it would be as a modelling medium for structures. I didn't see why it wouldn't be good because this is pretty much what Townstreet use. It's Gyprock plasterboard and it glues with PVA. For plastic I used cyanoacrylate to attach it. I have learned a fair bit from this first effort and should be able to improve on subsequent jobs as I know it's limitations now.

It's hard to say how long it took as I have only had the odd saturday afternoon. So maybe two whole days all up? In future I would use wood strips for the edges of the doors and windows to get them more precise. I have finer files to use on the window and door areas however the gyprock clogs up the file and it has to be cleaned regularly with a wire brush.

The reason I used the gyprock material is for the realistic stome effect. Although this one is painted many are not and the effect comes through.

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What a brilliant building! Well done,mate.And who would've thought to use plasterboard???

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You've captured the essential feeling of an old building there Neil - very authentic looking. Well done.

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Just noticed - sorry about that guys. Is that a Cornish 3 Chris, I only have two on my screen? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Ah now I see - they are being removed by our cunning moderator from downunder. Thank you Michael but I guess that makes ChrisT's post look odd now. :lol: :lol:

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First time I looked at this topic all the pictures were there but now the last one is missing and I have the white square with the dreaded little red cross. Anybody else affected?

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All the pictures are there on my screen Bob. :wink:

Remember there has been an antipodean hand at work on this thread. :roll:

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Does it not have something to about the size of the picture it trying to display ..... there speaks a man who has only recently mastered the art of wiring up a set of points .... and then immediately took it out !!!!!

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Les wrote:All the pictures are there on my screen Bob. :wink:

Remember there has been an antipodean hand at work on this thread. :roll:

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That same hand can sort it out then Les. :roll: :lol: :lol:

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Not displaying on mine either Bob, but seeing the prototype doesn't matter too much to me as I know the area rather well, and that building has Crail\ Ainster written all over it Neil. When are you going to do the chippie? :lol:

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I don't know where it's gone. I see it's from a different source to Neil's photobucket photos. Maybe there's a problem with that site.
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I too is having the dreaded red square but it was the real thing that Neil had shown coz I read it just after he posted it .

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Lawrence wrote:Not displaying on mine either Bob, but seeing the prototype doesn't matter too much to me as I know the area rather well, and that building has Crail\ Ainster written all over it Neil. When are you going to do the chippie? :lol:

It's the Ship Inn in Elie. It's down by the harbour. I wouldn't mind doing the Pittenween chippie. I think about that place almost every day. :cry: Every time I go home I have a pilgramage to the chippie at Pittenween and usually end up at the Ship afterwards.

I'd love to give this technique a go - been eyeing our walls.

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You can get this stuff out of Bunnings $22 a 3x1.5m sheet I think it was.

The picture of the real pub seems to have come back now. I am now working on the backdrop where this building will fit in. I think I should be able to come up with something which I will be happy with.

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Neil, I've read your last project with interest. Don't I remember you saying (a long time ago, on MRF) that you were not very good at buildings :?:
Well that's not very accurate now, is it :?:
Excellent job, mate, well documented and a first class choice of material. That plaster board certainly does give an authentic finish.

Now a question ... If you are using the material I think, it comes with a paper covering on both sides. If that is the case, are you cutting your walls out before or after you've removed the paper from one side :?:

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Gwent Rail wrote:Neil, I've read your last project with interest. Don't I remember you saying (a long time ago, on MRF) that you were not very good at buildings :?:
Well that's not very accurate now, is it :?:
Excellent job, mate, well documented and a first class choice of material. That plaster board certainly does give an authentic finish.

Now a question ... If you are using the material I think, it comes with a paper covering on both sides. If that is the case, are you cutting your walls out before or after you've removed the paper from one side :?:


Definately before Jeff. Once you remove the paper on one side it loses a lot of its integrity. I neglected to show that I got a plain sheet first and marked out where the doors and windows were. Then removed these slots with a stanley knife. To get a smoother finish on the front I used the edge of a steel ruler to remove the paper. To get a stone like look I used a wire brush.

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Plenty of atmosphere in that one Neil, it will look a cracker in the harbour scene.

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Marty wrote:Plenty of atmosphere in that one Neil, it will look a cracker in the harbour scene.

Thanks Marty. I hope to finish off the harbour scene next week.

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Looking forward to how you make the backscene work Neil.

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Just caught up with this one Neil.

That's an amazing little building in plasterboard. In my experience, it's a pig to cut straight lines in - just seems to crumble away no matter how sharp the kinfe. Is it standard 13mm thickness or something special?

Super job whatever the material. :wink:

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Yes it's 13mm thick. It does crumble but it's not that crumbly that you can't avoid it if careful. It is easy to cut straight lines in but I often file it afterwards to ensure a flat surface where a flat surface is required. It tends to retain its intergity if the paper sheets either side are left on.

The type I am using is Gyprock which may only be available in Ozz. I'm not sure if this type is available elsewhere. It has a high gypsum content.

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Thanks Neil - I'd missed the fact that you keep both paper surfaces intact !!

I'll re-read before I put my foot in it again !!! Sorry :oops: :oops:

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Petermac wrote:Thanks Neil - I'd missed the fact that you keep both paper surfaces intact !!

I'll re-read before I put my foot in it again !!! Sorry :oops: :oops:

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No problem Peter.

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I have never been happy with my backdrops. There are many problems with them. Firstly I do not have the facility to print off one four metres long, which is a bit of a handicap. Secondly they are only A4 size and I would ideally like them higher. The other option is to paint a backdrop but I am definitely not Renoir or Constable. To date I have tried various backdrops which I have cut into sections and then glued together. My last backdrop on the front section of my Scottish section wasnt too bad however I placed the horizon too high as I wanted o give the perspective of viewing it from a height. The problem there was that when it came to joining with the adjacent backdrop the water level was too high. So I dropped the water level and put in a new backdrop with more grey coloured water. More prototypical as they say.





Another problem here is that most glues come right through leaving the backdrop with large dark patches of discolouration. I resolved the glue thing by using a local equivalent of a Pritt Stick. This isnt soggy and sticks well enough. The seams are yet another issue which can be hidden if low enough. I got round this by painting the sky and then gluing the town and sea onto the bottom part.

This was one of my mock ups to see how it would look if the water extended all the way round. This idea got canned. I brought the cliff in from the side and have topped it with wild moor grass. Im not sure if I should have brought the grass all the way down to ground level though. A small pure rock bit might have been good. This scene shows the buildings and harbour scene as it now is.







Theres a visible join in the corner but I am thinking about using masking tape and painting over it to obscure it.

With the front backdrop I merged the land into the scenery by adding foliage. I made up a polystyrene strip with Siliflor and then Sea Moss tress and inserted it behind the dry stone dyke.








I also covered the other entrance to the harbour with a stone wall. Plasterboard of course. The harbour entrance will never be perfect because of the baseboard edge protruding however this improves it a lot.



So there we are. A backdrop I can live with.

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Wow!

The harbour is magic!
The glimpse of the white house beyond adds so much.
I'm very impressed with the distant headlands you have - one noticeably closer than the other. Both look great. So does the sea and the sky. Neil, you've done some marvellous work here.

I do wonder about that line of grass descending to street level. I tend to agree with you that maybe rock all the way down would be better. Would a strategically placed shrub help there? I do think that for the sake of representing distance, whatever you do there needs to be just a touch darker than the area beyond, and the grass does that, at least. I just don't like the line it makes.

Great stuff, though. I'd be proud to call it mine.

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angled corners are a b***** to correct
& I do agree with yours & Mikes comment about grass down the rock edge, yes a bit too much!

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Thanks Mike. Thanks for the tip on the colour difference. I will try that. I will pull the Siliflor on the side as I am in doubt about it too..

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I think it looks excellent, my only comment would be to use sme white decorators caulk down the corner join, smoothed in then touched up with paint. If you use maskink tape you may loose the gap in the corner but end up with a seam down either side at the edge of the tape.

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You have made a superb job of the backdrops your idea of painting sky first then gluing the sea and other features aterwards has worked very well . I would agree the grass on the cliff face would only be on the upper part of the cliff so rock down the face would look better.

cheers Brian.W

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rjr wrote:I think it looks excellent, my only comment would be to use sme white decorators caulk down the corner join, smoothed in then touched up with paint. If you use maskink tape you may loose the gap in the corner but end up with a seam down either side at the edge of the tape.

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That's a good idea. I hadn't thought of that. I'll see if I can get some from Bunnings.

Thanks for the kind comments guys.

I've pulled the grass on the slope and it does look better.

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That backscene looks great and the harbour is fantastic

Lawrence :- You know what 'chippies' bring don't you

Bloody seagulls :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Kevr wrote:That backscene looks great and the harbour is fantastic

Lawrence :- You know what 'chippies' bring don't you

Bloody seagulls :lol: :lol: :lol:

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There's plent of seaguls round the harbour. I may see if Prieser do seagulls and get some more.

The chippy will have to go up the top near the railway station.

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Neil, the depth you've got into the harbour scene by showing some buildings on the backscene is excellent.
That last picture is surely a future header photo.

I go along with the comments about the grass strip and wait to see the reworked area, I'm sure it will be an improvement.

Re your quandry about what to use for glue on the backscene, I have always used a strong grip wallpaper paste and never had any problems (with a variety of differing papers)
I keep a small tub of ready-made in the railway room, which lasts for ages, needs only a small amount for each sheet I paste and is also useful for many other small jobs around the layout.

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Thanks Jeff. I am going to use the same process on my German city section so I will give the wallpaper paste a go there.

I'll try to get a photo of the degrassed slope and post it soon.

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I think your backscenes look very effective and are an improvement on what you had before. Where did the images of the buildings at the back of the fishing village scene come from - they look very convincing.

With regards to corners, one method I have seen, although not tried myself, is to use a strip of plain polystyrene coping. This is sold in DIY shops and is designed to soften the angle between the ceiling and walls in a house. The edges of this type of coping are ultra thin and should blend with the sky. Worth a look?

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Novice wrote:Neil

I think your backscenes look very effective and are an improvement on what you had before. Where did the images of the buildings at the back of the fishing village scene come from - they look very convincing.

With regards to corners, one method I have seen, although not tried myself, is to use a strip of plain polystyrene coping. This is sold in DIY shops and is designed to soften the angle between the ceiling and walls in a house. The edges of this type of coping are ultra thin and should blend with the sky. Worth a look?

Bob(K)

Hi Bob,

the pictures came from a picture of Crail in Fife. The sea and land comes from a Photojenic backdrop.

Ill pop down to the local hardware store and see what I can find.

cheers

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While I was on the BRMA stand at Caulfield last Saturday I was demonstrating weathering models.  I took some old style private owner wagons and some new EWS ones too for a bit of variety.  I started to add the coal while I was there but I was making a hell of a mess and thought I'd better wait until I got home.  Here are the results below.











After adding coal to all these wagons I thought I'd better add some to the tender on the loco too.  The pretendy coal load in the 9f is very plasticy looking so it had to go.



The modern image ones came out quite well too however I ran out of coal after three thrall's.  They take a fair amount to fill.  ..and yes I did fill them up with polystyrene first.









The trouble with weathering is that once you start you pretty much have to do everything.  I will have to do my Class 66 next and then gradually everything else.

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Time and talent well spent, Neil! Great pictures. My favourite detail is the faded lettering on the side of the wagons. Outstanding!

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As one of my favourite layouts on this site it is incredible how much you have achieved since your first post. I too very much like your weathered coal trucks on the viaduct. You are right - once you start weathering that's it, you have to do it all as the pristine items look out of place.

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Thanks Tim and Bob,  I will have to weather an awful lot more now but at least I have found out how to do it now.

Cheers Neil

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Neil,
     fantastic job of weathering on those wagons.The pics on the viaduct with that dirty black loco look incredibly realistic.If we still had the header photo competition,that would run away with it!
    Excellent.

Cheers,John.B.

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georgejacksongenius wrote: Neil,
     fantastic job of weathering on those wagons.The pics on the viaduct with that dirty black loco look incredibly realistic.If we still had the header photo competition,that would run away with it!
    Excellent.

Cheers,John.B.


Thanks John B and Phil.  I hadn't noticed that the header photo comp had stopped.  I wonder if there is a way we couldstart that agin.  It was a bit of an institution.

 

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Neil,that whole scene looks great,the wagons spot on,as you say now they all have to be done.
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I have never really done much bird watching since child hood with a couple of exceptions looking at Eagles and Ospreys at home.  However there does now seem to be a dramatic increase in birdlife on my layout thanks to a Mr Prieser.  There are now Swans moving in on the Ducks and Geese.



Crows can now be seen uttering their guttural crawing. 





There are even birds of prey on the peaks. 



in the trees,



and by the roadside.



There are more seagulls.  There is a huge difference between the Langley ones and the Preiser.







Unfortunately most of what I have been doing of late is maintenance, track cleaning and reconnecting things for next weekends BRMA meeting.  This isn't particularly interesting or photogenic.  However there has been progress of sorts in some areas.

I used the Anita Décor bullrushes which are sold as cactus by International Models.  These are pretty good as water rushes and I have used them to obscure the area between a backdrop and the river.  What I would bring to any prospective users  attention is that they do actually seem to be small cactus type plants and have small fibres which get stuck in your fingers like fibre glass. My fingers have been nipping a bit all day since I did this yesterday.  They do look very good though so maybe wear gloves?






Siliflor ivy is very good.  Bit dear at five quid a pack so I have used it a bit sparingly at the front of the layout.  I am very impressed with this though.  I have used a bit on the city ramparts and on the Bavarian station.  I have also completed more ballasting and finished of the road to the station.  I will need to get some figures to complete this.  I am thinking epoch I so some period figures from Preiser will finish this section off nicely.





I finished off the wooden planked crossings and the base of the station.




I have also made a start into the turntable section.  I am trying to obscure this section with trees as the turntable is primarily functional for storage and not a scenic part of the layout.  Having said that it still has to look presentable so it will still be ballasted and sceniced.







I have also got into filming my layout now after doing a short to show the A4 sound decoder.  I may try to include this in future blog entries as it gives a three dimensional aspect to things.  Here's a couple of short films which offer a three dimensional prespective on the Bavarian part of my layout.








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:wowThere's so much to see on your layout. I love the birds, the made me smile. Preiser make such good quality figures. I MUST have some of those birds.
It's great to see such variety in plant life too, and the river looks sensational.
 Love the videos. It would take me a long time to tire of that sort of scenery because it's all so interesting!

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Neat Neil, if the BRMA fellas turn there noses up, that is there fault.

 

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Cheers Guys.  I have some more stuff to come as I have been very busy of late.  Keep your eyes on the DCC section later today.

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      Great little videos,this layout just keeps getting better and better.Love the birds and the fishermen! So much detail,and just so much 'joy',for want of a better word.Very,very inspiring indeed.

Cheers,John.B.

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Wonderful birds - love it!

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Great clickety-click, whistle and exhaust sounds on that last video.
cheers

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 Excellent layout Neil, the detail is superb, are you going to apply to be named as a bird sanctuary? :doublethumb :wow :doublethumb

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Truly marvellous Neil and a terrific layout with SO much to see. :doublethumb

I look forward to the video but although I have internet, it is more akin to dial up, so I have to be a bit selective with what I watch. Any chance you could hint at the running length of a video as you post it?:thumbs

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Neil, truly you have a beautiful layout. So much to see. Those figures bring it all to life, too bad they have to cost so much. I guess it's just the price we have to pay to get the realism we seek.

Great job, and I really enjoyed those videos.

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Thanks Guys for the kind comments. 

All the vid's are 1:10 to 1:30 so pretty big for download on dial up.

I may apply to be a bird sancutuary as even more birds have arrived.  Pidgeons and Doves.  These were so small I initially balked at putting them in but have now found a way to do it.  I'll take and post some photos when I get a minute.  Very busy at the moment as I have an army of model rail enthusiasts coming round on Saturday to inspect the layout.

 

In the meantime here's some more vid's

I am starting to do short films of my models now as I have got the hang of posting them on the internet.  I am trying to get an idea of what are the best perspectives and angles to shoot from.  This first set are taken from above the models at various angles.  These would probably give the impression of viewing from a bridge.









I've tried to do these from a few different angles to see what's the best.  The ones which follow are from track level and below giving a track side or platform perspective. 










Overall I think the best level is track level although below isn't bad.  Viewed from above doesn't seem as good though.

I think I want to put a bit more thought into where the trees are.  The autofocus seem to have gone for the trees and bushes instead of the loco and coaches.

Any thoughts?

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I doubt the autofocus would cope too well with moving trains even if there were no trees there.
Actually I like the views from the bridge just as much as the other viewpoints. They're all good videos - keep 'em coming!

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MikeC wrote: I doubt the autofocus would cope too well with moving trains even if there were no trees there.
Actually I like the views from the bridge just as much as the other viewpoints. They're all good videos - keep 'em coming!

Mike

Unfortunatelt because of the intended market for the camera it has no manual focus.  Often on my SLR I turn off the autofocus as I want to determine what is being focussed on.  My digital camera wont allow me to do this which is a pain.  I suppose at some point in the future I will have to get a Digi SLR.:hmm

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Wow you have been busy. You are posting faster than I can read your threads. The videos a really good, giving a great view of your layout. For me I prefer the low shots as i think they give a much more realistic perspective, however, the depth of view and getting the focus right becomes the challenge. With regards to your layout the shots of the green rushes reveal how very good the brickwork on the bridge supports looks - I like it very much. Your road crossing is just crying out for some lights and or gates. Wonderful stuff, thanks for posting it all.

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I really like the videos, I prefer low down or level myself the up high are what I would call helicopter shots !! The scenery as ever is stunning

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Thanks guys, I prefer the low level shots myself as this is how we usually see locos.

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Neil, how was the layout received by the visit from BRMAers?

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Enthusiastically.  I think steam sound and scenery were the main features that everyone was taken by.  Few people here have DCC and those that do have very basic starter sets, so this would have been most people first exposure to a fully featured system.  I did get some interesting questions, "does the system stop automatically when there's a derailment"?  I wasn't sure if he was joking at first.

The main attractions were the new A3 by DCC concepts, the SWD A4 decoder, my modified 9F with sound.  The AD60 Garratt was very popular.  I did get away with running some German ouline; the Brawa BR06 so people could see sound and steam on a huge 4-8-4 loco.

I had my Turbostar with sound, the new Bachmann Class 24 with sound and a K.Pev P8 with interesting loads on shuttle lines.

People were quite interested in my scenics too and International models may get some orders generated by the meeting.  The Sea moss trees and Siliflor were popular products.

 

Damage to the layout wasn't too bad; broken fence, lost Pidgeon, Hawk on telegraph pole moved, few bushes knocked off.  Mostly easily fixable.

 

I found it quite hard to keep an eye on all the locos as well as field questions, of which there was plenty.  I was quite frazzled by the end of the day with so much going on.  One thing I did notice is that at other layouts people will take over and run trains whereas at my place no-one wanted to touch my system even when invited.  People were happy to have tours of the system screens and hear what they did but didn't want to have a go.  Wonder what that was about? Scared of breaking it or fear of technology?  Any way there was a lot of interest in DCC and sound.  Most seemed quite impressed.

 

All in all it was a good day.  A good time was had by all.  

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Glad it went well, Neil. I have heard of locos 'going walkabout' during open days

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I have to admit this was something I was worried about Mike. Didn't happen, either that or I have yet to notice!

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Of late I have been very busy doing scenic work.  I started on a new section of the layout mainly because I needed an unstarted section to demonstrate techniques for the Basic Scenics article.  The section I have now started on is the Highland station section.  This has a station (or will have) which will be at eye level and will require the best standard of scenic’s and detail I can muster.  My thoughts are a station on the Kyle line near Strath Carron.  The backdrop I will use shows countryside similar to that just inland from Strath Carron.  To define the partition between this section and the next I will use a large rocky cliff.

I started this process with the cliff section on the Scottish side of the bridge seen here.



As further detail was requested on the scenic process I then started a stretch at the end of the station (or where the station will be when built).  This is just at the left hand side of the bridge.



Continuing on from there I need to install embankments in the lower section, and in the upper section, make a three tunnel entrances or two.  I’ve made one tunnel mouth so far and some of the embankments.  Just really trying things out for size at the moment to see how they will look.

This is the piece of plasterboard I used as a basis for the cliff face. Biggest I have done so far.  I scraped a layer of skin off when carving the strata into this.  This explains the red marks you can see on it!



 I was watching the cab ride DVD for the Kyle line and along the line especially around Strome Ferry there are some pretty sheer cliffs composed of Lewisian Gneiss. I have coloured this to look like Lewisian Gneiss in this picture.



 Unlike many cliffs there will be no moss grass or anything growing out of the Gneiss as this rock erodes to make a very poor soil and doesn’t tend to have plants growing off of it. To be honest it doesn’t really erode much at all.  It’s strong stuff.  This is why little vegetation grows above it as there is often little soil and a lot of pooling of water.  Many of the plants which take root here are bog plants. 

However the embankments will support a variety of vegetation and I have been studying these for this section.  Also gave me an excuse to watch the Kyle DVD a few more times.

What I am needing for my scene is autumnal colours for the grasses.  I have started experimenting with Woodland Scenics Autumn grass however this is a long and tedious process laying down glue and cutting bunches of this to attach.  Looking at the size of the section I have, I could be here for some time before I get this done.





I’m also not that happy with the colour either too bold.  I need something more diluted.

I have ordered some of the Silflor Autumn grass to intersperse with the other moorland grasses.  If you look at the variety of colours on the backdrop; I need to match these colours with my scenery.  This will involve a degree of experimentation but should get there eventually.

I have installed a fairly lengthy backdrop for this part of the layout.  It will come between the rocky outcrop at the mountain section and the new cliff face I made.  I tried to reprint a new one however the colours weren’t as good as this one.  No idea why as they come from the same image.  So to cut a long story shot I pulled this one from a previous location and had to strip it of the backing and refix it here.  There was the odd tear however I can cover this with scenics later.  This was obviously a major job but I think it was worth it as this backdrop works better than many and fits the scene I wish to create.



The area at the back will have to get sceniced with lots of trees and so on.  This is how it looks at the moment.   I will have to get more of  those Heki fir trees kits. I think.



There will have to be a station building made at some point.  I am reviewing the various buildings on the Kyle line to see which to make.  I am currently thinking the Plockton one as it is made out of wood and will be a bit easier to make.  I haven’t made anything out of wood for a while so I do fancy this.





I also got some permanent way and British Railway workers to add to this scene.



Normally I have finished a scene when I write up my blog but this section will be lengthy and time consuming.  It may well take several months.  This is only the beginning.

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Looking foward to seeing this come together Neil.
I agree about matching your trees and vegetation colour to that of your backscene, from my point of view, if they don't match then you are better off without the backscene.
The little wooden station looks grand and should be a fun build too.
Enjoyed the update.
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Great project Neil and it looks as though you are off to a fine start. I think the view in your second picture is very effective, with the back drop and embankment providing a feeling of real depth.

I am not sure what the original rocks you are trying to model look like, but a method I have seen used is to scrunch up some tin foil and then open it out again. Pour over some plaster and once set peel off the tin foil. This gives the effect of rough cut rock as found in cuttings etc.

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That's great Neil - I hope your knuckles did not take too much of a scraping creating the rock!

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Neil, I like the different coloured clumps of grass, heather etc you have used here, can you remind me what they are please?

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thanks for the update Neil,this post should keep us happy for a while
you certainly have a lot to do.

:cheers;-):lol::lol::lol::cool:

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The layout is looking good, Neil. Enjoyed the videos. SWMBO wants to do an art gallery run to Melb soon. Maybe we can catch up. Cheers. Max

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Neil, could you explain how you did the purple flowers in the upper left corner of this picture? They look so real!

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Christrerise wrote: That's great Neil - I hope your knuckles did not take too much of a scraping creating the rock!
Funny you should mention it but they're still healing up.

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Neil, I like the different coloured clumps of grass, heather etc you have used here, can you remind me what they are please?


A combination of different types of Silflor and Woodland scenics grass.  I'll give you more thorough information over the next couple of days.;-)

 
The layout is looking good, Neil. Enjoyed the videos. SWMBO wants to do an art gallery run to Melb soon. Maybe we can catch up. Cheers. Max
 

 

Sounds good Max, although I'd better let you know that all arrangements are tenuous at the moment.  My Wife's due in two weeks so we may have make that dash to the hospital at any given moment.  Drop me a PM nearer the time.

 

 

 




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Wayne Williams wrote:

Neil, could you explain how you did the purple flowers in the upper left corner of this picture? They look so real!

Wayne

Silflor Autumn moorland ripped into clumps.  Best Heather money can buy.  There will be more on this in the next couple of days.;-)

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Very gneiss indeed!
The bridge is a beauty, and what a charming station building.
Eager to see more.

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Oooh, a baby coming? Cool, congratulations and best wishes.

:doublethumb:Happy:cheers


Is it your first?


Can we have naming competition on the forum?
If it is a boy have you considered Isambard? :chicken :cool wink

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No Marty, it will be the second.  I don't know if it will be a boy or a girl yet.  It will be a surprise.  My wifes very fussy about names so I don't think a naming competition would be the go.

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The way I did it too.... left it to chance and enjoyed the suprise. :thumbs

There is nothing as wonderful as the magic of the birth of your children.

I think we could come up with some great names...

OK, Isambard is a little out there but there is always...

Daniel (Gooch)
William (Dean)
George (Churchward)
Charles (Collett)
Fred(rick) (Hawkesworth)
Joseph (Armstrong)
Felix  (Pole)

:hmm

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If Isambard is too far out there then what about Kingdom instead? :twisted:

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Time for an update on my workbench.  Most of my work recently has been on my layout however today I did have to create a scenic item on my workbench first before fitting it to my layout.  I have started work on the rear section of my layout which is a Scottish Highland scene.  I have two backdrops of differring heights and needed something to partition them.  I initially did this cliff face however I thought it a bit too flat.



I then decided to model it on a real cliff face to see if that would improve it.  The cliff was to be made from plasterboard however this can be a bit two dimensional when used for large items.  I decided that three layers of ply would do the job and still fit into the allocated space of..an inch!

The cliff I am basing it on is this one from the Trotternish peninsula in Skye near the Quiraing.



This is the sheet of plasterboard with the rough outline drawn.  One metre long.



These are the sheets cut to size before assembly.



Here they are assembled with a first coat of coloured stain.



Some basic scenics added.



From here I have to fit it to my layout so suppose I had better continue over on the "on my layout thread".

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Continuing on from the "on my workbench thread" the picture below is the first instalation of the cliff face to see how it looks.



I then put a pile of grey pigmented plaster at the bottom to represent a pile of scree.  Sceneic s were added to the top too.




I will continue the bridge wall on the right angled bit but will start a fence after that to maximise visibility of the cliff face.  So this is how it looks at the moment.  I have still to properly scenic this bit I may also do more work on the cliff to make it a bit darker in some areas.  In fact I will as it has lightened up a bit since I applied the wash.




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Huge improvement on the first "scratchbuilt" cliff Neil.
Agree that some more darkening and then highlighting will improve it further.
Rather than a far away cliff as in the photo from the train window, to me, it looks a little more like the blasted side of a quarry/cutting wall, which is perfectly acceptable IMHO in the situation it is in on the layout.
Either way it makes a good transition between the two backscenes.

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I am really sorry but I have only just caught up with your thread, Great layout, and you have a brilliant touch for all the detail and scenic areas, also your photographs are top quality.

Just a thought about backscences in corners, have them on a bend, that way the view is constant.

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Neil, I like the different coloured clumps of grass, heather etc you have used here, can you remind me what they are please?


A combination of different types of Silflor and Woodland scenics grass.  I'll give you more thorough information over the next couple of days.;-)

 
The layout is looking good, Neil. Enjoyed the videos. SWMBO wants to do an art gallery run to Melb soon. Maybe we can catch up. Cheers. Max
 

 

Sounds good Max, although I'd better let you know that all arrangements are tenuous at the moment.  My Wife's due in two weeks so we may have make that dash to the hospital at any given moment.  Drop me a PM nearer the time.

 

 

 




Don't worry about the baby, your good lady will take care of that, more importantly though, it is the Dundee show this weekend and I need to know what to look for ;-)

On a serious note though, I'm sure the thoughts and prayers of all on the forum are with you and your wife for your impending arrival, here's hoping all goes well for you (please give he \ she a good Scots name though eh!!:thumbs)

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Lawrence wrote: Neil Wood wrote: Lawrence wrote:

Neil, I like the different coloured clumps of grass, heather etc you have used here, can you remind me what they are please?


A combination of different types of Silflor and Woodland scenics grass.  I'll give you more thorough information over the next couple of days.;-)

 
The layout is looking good, Neil. Enjoyed the videos. SWMBO wants to do an art gallery run to Melb soon. Maybe we can catch up. Cheers. Max
 

 

Sounds good Max, although I'd better let you know that all arrangements are tenuous at the moment.  My Wife's due in two weeks so we may have make that dash to the hospital at any given moment.  Drop me a PM nearer the time.

 

 

 




Don't worry about the baby, your good lady will take care of that, more importantly though, it is the Dundee show this weekend and I need to know what to look for ;-)

On a serious note though, I'm sure the thoughts and prayers of all on the forum are with you and your wife for your impending arrival, here's hoping all goes well for you (please give he she a good Scots name though eh!!:thumbs)

Sure will:thumbs

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Marty wrote: Huge improvement on the first "scratchbuilt" cliff Neil.
Agree that some more darkening and then highlighting will improve it further.
Rather than a far away cliff as in the photo from the train window, to me, it looks a little more like the blasted side of a quarry/cutting wall, which is perfectly acceptable IMHO in the situation it is in on the layout.
Either way it makes a good transition between the two backscenes.

Yes it still doe look a little too two dimensional.  I had an idea which would lessen that though so I will give that a go.  As you say it does pass as a cutting so if I don't get time it looks ok anyway.

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That's an ingenious way of making rock faces; I'll definitely be trying it! Incidentally, I presume this is OO gauge?
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Ken wrote: That's an ingenious way of making rock faces; I'll definitely be trying it! Incidentally, I presume this is OO gauge?
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Yes, however you could do this for any scale.

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I shoud mention at this stage (especially with all the interest in Neil's scenic work), that Neil has written a major new article (14 pages in MS Word) on basic scenics, which is lavishly illustrated with explanatory photos. He has kindly agreed to have it published on here and has sent it to me for that purpose.

So starting next week (and coming in at least 4 weekly parts) it will posted on here, whith a seperate thread for comments, queeries etc.

You'll love it !!!

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Trust me to be away when something like that comes on. Still, Jeff's the lad to take good care of it for us.

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Second, Max.

Neil - Congratulations and best wishes to you and Mrs Wood.

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Thanks guys.  Should be any day now.  We're all on standby.

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Gwent Rail wrote: I shoud mention at this stage (especially with all the interest in Neil's scenic work), that Neil has written a major new article (14 pages in MS Word) on basic scenics, which is lavishly illustrated with explanatory photos. He has kindly agreed to have it published on here and has sent it to me for that purpose.

So starting next week (and coming in at least 4 weekly parts) it will posted on here, whith a seperate thread for comments, queeries etc.

You'll love it !!!

Brilliant, can't wait for that, many thanks to Neil & Jeff.

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Looking forward to that... and the first birth for the forum (unless my memory fails me?)

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It does Marty, Trystan was only born 6 months ago!  Unless you mean the first birth that the forum had an active part in - is there something Neil and you are not telling us? :twisted:

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Christrerise wrote: It does Marty, Trystan was only born 6 months ago!  Unless you mean the first birth that the forum had an active part in - is there something Neil and you are not telling us? :twisted:
No, you don't have to worry about that Chris.  My missus would not be giving birth live on the forum.;-)

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 :lol::lol::lol: That's my memory for you, just as well I've given up trusting it :roll:

Bravo for Trystan, come on down "child associated with the forum through relationship with member only, as opposed to any other relationship with the forum, live to air birth, genetic manipulation to enhance modelling skills, or otherwise" #2.

Sheesh :pedal :mutley:mutley:mutley

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Live birth on air? We're going to need lots of hot water - I'll put the kettle on.:thud

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If you ever watch any of the old black and white British movies, whenever a woman is giving birth, someone somewhere will say "we'll needs lots of hot water". I'm still wondering to this day what the hell they used it for.:shock: After two children, three grandchildren and two great grandchildren the only time I've seen it used is to make me a cup of coffee.

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James Herriot always wanted lots of hot water and blankets as well whenever a cow was giving birth...

I always assumed it was to get the father / farmer out of the way where they could do no harm!

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Les wrote: Neil,

If you ever watch any of the old black and white British movies, whenever a woman is giving birth, someone somewhere will say "we'll needs lots of hot water". I'm still wondering to this day what the hell they used it for.:shock: After two children, three grandchildren and two great grandchildren the only time I've seen it used is to make me a cup of coffee.

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What!! not for the hot toddies!! philistine :thud

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That bit about boiling the kettle used to be in all the old films and sit coms.  I can only conclude that it was for making tea.

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Lawrence wrote: What!! not for the hot toddies!! philistine :thud


I'm English Lawrence so occasionally I'm sober.:mutley

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Les wrote: Lawrence wrote: What!! not for the hot toddies!! philistine :thud


I'm English Lawrence so occasionally I'm sober.:mutley

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I'm Scottish so I know nothing else.:cheers

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Les wrote: Lawrence wrote: What!! not for the hot toddies!! philistine :thud


I'm English Lawrence so occasionally I'm sober.:mutley

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:hmm  No entiendo

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Not quite sure what you don't understand Lawrence, the fact that I'm English, the fact that occasionally I'm sober or the fact that now and again I'll have a coffee instead of booze (hot toddies)?

:hmm

Sorry Neil you've been hijacked again.

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As I stated in my previous entry I have been working on the back section of my layout.  I wanted to create a Scottish Highland scene reminiscint of the Highland Mainline or the route from Inverness to Kyle of Loch alsh.  I have spent hours watching these trackside DVD's looking at the plants and topography along the line to get it right.  However one fundamental integral part has been a strugle;  the backdrop.  Recently I decided to do all sky backdrops however I really wanted a decent picture of a Highland scene. I have some saved on computer that I have been using for a while however the colour match between the sections was never brilliant.  I had to split them into sections due to the length and the ability to get access to a printer which could print on a sheet of paper two metres long.  The lack of a sheet of paper two metres long was also a contributing factor.  So this has now been resolved.  I recently bought a laser printer which has given me a perfect print and the sky matches perfectly on all print offs.  I did have a couple of slight mismatchs, however nothing that the odd Birch tree or Scots Pine couldn't disguise.  This the backdrop along it's entire length.



Looking closer the joins are not readily visible.



This is the view from the left hand side where the rocky cliff face conceals the join between two sections.  It has just been ballasted yesterday so I am waiting on it drying to tidy it up and weather it.



This shot shows both sides of the cutting.  The side on the right can wait till later as it is not able to be seen.



This shot shows the right hand side of the backdrop.



Up until I bought the laser printer I had been making Birch trees, Scots Pine, Gorse and other track side plants to go on this section.  The Birch trees are Sea Moss which has been painted to look like Birch bark.  The darker Anita Decor foliage does well for the leaves.  So that is fairly easy.  The Scots Pine was more of a pain.  A while back I bought a bunch of handmade trees of the twisted wire variety.  The trunk was acceptable however the foliage was atrocious.  There were flecks of dayglo green flock in amongst the foam leaves.  To turn these into Scots Pine I had to cut off the lower branches as Scots Pine branches usually start pretty high off the ground.  I had to do a bit of reshaping of the branches.  Then I had to pick off all the original foliage.  I then used Heki Fir foliage which is a nice dark green colour as the Pine foliage and the results look pretty good.



Gorse as covered before is just clumps of Busch foliage.

 

There is also a lot of grass along the trackside so I have been using various colours to get the late summer look right.  I have used a blend of several grass types to get an accurate look as there is always dried and fresh grass.  I still have to do more to this to get a late summer look to the grass.  I will dry brush a blend of yellow and white paint to it till I get the look I'm after.



I have used Silflor extensively here.  Several different types have been used to match the backdrop.



Although the backdrop is only two inches horizontally from the track I have tried to make this look further by comressing several definable layers into that area.  First there is the grass, then the Silflor, the fence, then a different colour of Silflor.  Trees too and bushes add to what is really a very small area and help make it look bigger.



I still have to do more to this section.  I have ordered point rodding so that I can detail the points on this section. I will add other trackside embelishments too to get this section as accurate as possible.  I also got a call today saying that the ferns I ordered in February have arrived in the shop so I can pick these up on Thursday when I go back to work.  I am also going to make those purple plants that flower along the side of the railway tracks that I don't know the name of.  I have figured out what I need to do.  I just need some purple paint for the flower part.

Here are some more shots I took of the backdrop.  It is interesting that a slight sheen has come up in the pictures.  I didn't use flash or have a particularly bright light on them.  I suppose it must have been the sheen of the paper.








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Gotta agree, the above shot is a beauty.
I like the Scots Pine too.
There is a bit of a change in foliage/grass colour as you go from Silfor to photobackdrop, sort of green/brown to yellow/brown but further back in the photo are patches of green vegetation that matches almost perfectly with your lineside grass... Nice work.

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this will end up a great section, i can see most of your loco shots coming from this part of the layout:thumbs

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Thanks for the kind comments guys.  This should be a a good place to take photos.  Especially long trains as there is a three metre length of track here.  Hopefully I'll get time over the next week or so to finish it off.

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This month I have been trying to improve and detail the area that I worked on previously.  I have included some more local plants such as ferns and those purple plants that you see along the side of the railway tracks.  I also added some trackside features such as point rodding which would be appropriate. 

My friend Peter has done a bit of point rodding on his layout which was quite impressive and I thought I would be like to give it a go too.  I bought all the stuff and then took ages figuring out what to do with it as the instructions were not as comprehensive as I would have liked. 



Fortunately Peter forwarded me some articles from Model Railway Journal on how to do it and lay it out.  After spending some time reading all the articles I had a fair idea of what I was going to do. It wasn’t all that hard however the section of the layout which I had decided to install this on was probably the most inaccessible, i.e. five foot high with a five foot six inch section just in front of it and two feet in. I have to say that my back was thoroughly done in after an afternoon of doing this.  I had to go up a step ladder and bend double to do this as there was little that I could lean on without doing damage to the layout.  Now that it’s added it does look good but I’m not sure I would have done it had I known how much hassle it would be.  If you are going to do this, then start in an accessible part of your layout.  It will make a big difference.  The picture below shows the tremendous difference that the point rodding has made.












Didn't see it?  No, it's not really noticable.  These pictures may show it better.



















Apologies for the quality of the photos.  The magnification is about the limit of what my camera is capable of.

I also added some of those purple flowers that you see along the sides of the railway tracks in summer.  These were made from clipping the lower strands of Heki kit fir trees and dabbing purple paint on.  I couldn’t find the correct shad of purple /pink for them so I have had to blend it from pink blue and red.  These plants are very common on railway tracks in the UK so I am surprised that they are not offered ready made.  They are not hard to make though so they can be produced fairly quickly.






I also painted the wire on the fence.  As supplied in the kit the wire was clear nylon.  I gave it a light coat of gunmetal mixed with light grey to give it the galvanized steel wire look.



Before making this section I painted the plaster brown as an undercoat.  The soil in highland areas is actually a grey colour and is frequently visible at the edges of cuttings and slopes.  I tried to replicate this using a Carrs soil mix with grey pigmentation. It didn’t apply as well as I had hoped however it does look right colour wise.  It wasn’t very sticky and wouldn't adhere to the base well as can be seen above and below.



I added more bushes of a darker foliage.  Having sat through several of the drivers eye view DVD’s I am now familiar with the wide variety of foliage and plants that border the railway line.  I have tried to get as much of this in as possible.

I eventually got my Busch ferns.  These come in a kit with mushrooms (three different varieties).  Why the two are included together I don’t know.  I would take a punt at the fact that they are both associated with damp conditions in most climates however in Scotland they grow openly on moorland rather than only under woodland cover.  The ferns are individual leaves or fronds which have to be inserted into a drilled hole to form the plant.  I painted them first as I do not like the look of plastic straight out of the box.  I also painted some reddish brown as I am aiming for an autumnal look.  The lower down ones will be green and the higher ones dried out and brown.







This has nothing to do with scenery but I also got the new Modelfair A4 Merlin which I thought was very nice.  It comes in BR “experimental” purple.  This came in a limited edition series of 1000.  I am quite pleased with it.  Still deciding whether to install a sound decoder in this one.  Anyway it provides me with an excuse to show a picture of it against the new backdrop.  I should warn you that the colour seen in the photo's is not accurate.  I could see through the viewfinder that the colour of the loco was not the same as it is in real life.  It is more blue in the pictures than in real life.






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There's a terrific array of plant life on your layout, Neil. One reason why I enjoy it so much.
I can't see myself getting around to point rodding, but you never know. All those little details add up.

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the point rodding looks really great as you say its the details that make all the differance.

I presume your ordered them online from the model signal engineering site i cant remember the address .

Those packs you show in the photo roughly how much rodding can you do with those packs you bought?

Modelfair is a manufacturer i dont know or are they a company that renames and renumbers and details hornby or bachmann models.

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Christrerise wrote: I would be interested to know where you got all the rodding from as well Neil - looks great!me too that is my next job.



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It's in the Equipment Index under Signals. The company is here :
http://www.modelsignals.com/mse_home.htm

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Robert wrote: It's in the Equipment Index under Signals. The company is here :
http://www.modelsignals.com/mse_home.htm



Yes that is indeed the one.

 

One thing you want to know now is that guitar strings are better for the rodding than the wire included in the starter pack.  The included wire is quite soft and bends very easily.  As it is supposed to be straight this is a nuisance.  Guitar strings on the other hand are far stronger and don't bend as readily.  I have had to go back and straighten all the wire I installed before discovering this. :sad:

 
Those packs you show in the photo roughly how much rodding can you do with those packs you bought?
It is quite difficult to say as it depends on how many cranks you need e.g. how many corners it will turn and the distance to the signal box.  There are , from memory, eight cranks two curved cranks, two compensators and maybe eight pulley wheels.  I wouldn't bother with the starter pack as it gives you what you get in the two packs to the right plus some wire.  Guitar strings are better than the wire as they are less prone to bend.  The cradle's are visible in one of the pictures.  They are while metal and can be cut to size. 

 

I did four points and still have stuff left over.




 

The Modelfair A4 is a limited run of 1000.  Modelfair are a shop in Manchester which specialise in limited runs and rarer models.  If you want one of these you had better get on the phone pronto as mine was number 700 and something out of 1,000.

It is the standard Hornby model with the special BR experimental purple body.  As it is Merlin it has the special navy badge from HMS Merlin.

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Matt wrote: i like the roding what time period was this used up until?

I'd have to wait till I'm at home to see the articles to find out for definite.  However I believe it is still in use now.  I saw some pictures on RMweb the other day of it in operation in Sheffield and Severn valley.

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8818

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Thanks Neil and Bob.

Sorry I did not check the index!  As I had never even heard of them I thought this was a new discovery by Neil.  Should have known that Bob had been there first :twisted:

Matt this rodding is in use anywhere that still has semaphore signals as is the wire.  You can see some of it in the photos of my Truro thread.

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could you use this in a freigt sidings with ground frames and light signals guarding the exit? i was thinking of freight sidings with a 08 for a resident loco. maybe 6 sidings an a headshunt and a small office, this would make a bland scene a lot more interesting:hmm

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Matt wrote: could you use this in a freigt sidings with ground frames and light signals guarding the exit? i was thinking of freight sidings with a 08 for a resident loco. maybe 6 sidings an a headshunt and a small office, this would make a bland scene a lot more interesting:hmm

I'm not an expert on this but if you were to use modern light signals I think modern automated turnouts would look more appropriate.  The type of rodding I've used is that type that was used manually from signal boxes.

 

The modern point switcher is still interesting just different.  The cables etc might be very different as they are likely to be electric cables rather than cranks and pulleys as shown here.

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A ground frame is basically just a small signal box without the box around it!  Usually there would be just a small frame and no instruments of course.  A small freight facility would probably have a ground frame although the rodding would not go very far as the points would probably just have an individual lever adjacent.

A signal controlling the entry / exit to the yard would be controlled from the signal box usually and the frame could be within the yard, although not always!  Also you can have a ground frame within the most modern signalling installation.  For example at Luton the route is entirely signalled with modern four aspect colour lights and 25,000 volt overhead wiring.  Yet Luton Crescent Road has a ground frame controlling access!  Don't forget the telephone to enable the person operating the ground frame to obtain permission to use it from the signaller.

This can often happen where funds for modernisation are short!

Short lengths of rodding can exist when used in conjunction with modern motors as well as this example on the main line at Long Rock can show: -



Prototypes for everything!

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It has taken me a long wet afternoon to read through the history and development of Neil's project but what an inspirational read it has been.

Many great ideas, some outstanding scenic and detail work and even incorporating standard items (as I have on my own line) such as the two Hornby footbridges very successfully.

Extensive use of Vollmer stone card is something else I can relate to! The effect around the harbour creates a very believable scene.

So a big :doublethumb for excellent work thus far and for keeping us fully in the picture with developments. Here's to more :cheers.

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thanks chris,

i am thinking of all this detail to add, i have to build a shed yet:roll:

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Thanks Rick. I'm off out to the garage to do some more.

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There is only one completely blank area of my layout left and it has been left mainly because it’s the least accessible to viewers.  It is however the most visible to the operator so I wanted to make this area a bit special and more detailed.  It will be a Highland terminus station not based on any one in particular although I will probably base the station building on the one in Am Ploc (Plockton).  The shape of the platform is not ideal.  I would have preferred longer however I have to work with the space I have.  This hobby is all about compromise after all.
 
First job weather the tracks

 
Normally I would paint the side to look rusty however the track I am using is Tillig which already comes in an appropriate colour so I will maybe miss this stage.
 
This is an arial view of the area to be worked on.
 

 
For the platform I used the Peco platform sides.  Cheap and easy.  I pre-painted the edging in matt white before installing.  Makes it a bit easier to do then.
 

 
Once the paint is dry I set the platform sides up and pin it down to test for clearance with coaches going in and out.  Once I am fairly happy that it is right I pin it down more robustly.
 
The next step is to infill the platform with plaster.  I use scraps of polystyrene or any other scraps to reduce the amount of plaster I need.  Cover the tracks with plastic or card to prevent plaster getting on them.  When pouring plaster for a platform or a road I tend to colour the plaster with pigment as I do want a uniform colour.  In this case I have used a stone grey for concrete colouring.  The picture below shows the infilled platform.  The mess on the tracks is scrapings of plaster from where I levelled it.  Unfortunately I wasn’t too careful when I removed the plastic covering.  When this happens it is better to leave it to dry before vacuuming it up.  If you try to clean it up while wet it gets everywhere and becomes harder to remove.
 

 
The PECO platform comes with self adhesive brick paper to stick on the side.  I prefer to use the Vollmer stuff though for a couple of reasons.  It looks better, it is longer and therefore has less seams, and it is more three dimensional.  I cut the sheet into strips and glue it to the sides.  Once on and dry I give it a coat of weathering to give it that lived in look.
 

 
Once the edging has been done get the inspectors in to check that has all dried before moving to the next step.
 

 

 
The picture below shows where we are up to at the moment.
 

 
 
The next thing is to add a coat of paint to resemble a tarmac covering.  First I etched paving stones on to the edges of the platform using the edging as a guide.
 

 
Close up view.
 

 
Then it’s time to start adding weeds.  I want to create the impression of a run down neglected station so weeds are a must.  I also rub in weathering powders to get that dusty look.
 

 

 

 
Then a final inspection before calling it a day and heading for home.  It’s about that time.
 

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Will the platform ,etc,  be ready for the Christmas holiday tourist trains?

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Here's hoping. Christmas (i.e. summer) holiday loadings here can be very heavy ;-) .

I like the look of those platforms, might have to borrow an idea or two.

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Smart looking platform Neill that Vollmer paper certainly does give a very prominent 3d affect.

A very good way of forming a shaped platform you have shown there.

cheers Brian

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Yes, just a bit more weathering to do.  I f I get off the internet early enough today I might even get some ballasting done.;-)

The point rodding is set up I just need to finalise the position of the signal box.

The building for the station will take much longer as I need to do a lot more research. I need to get dimensions and things.

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 That is one very nice, but weird shaped,  platform :thumbs

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 That is one very nice, but weird shaped,  platform :thumbs


Nothing wrong with the shape that I can see, Kev ;-). Show me a real station with platforms straight, flat and regular as the commercially-made models .......

My own platforms are somewhat irregular also!

It looks good to me, keep up the work Neil :doublethumb

Vollmer is a very useful product. If anyone can't get it locally I'm sure one of us here who can (self included) would be willing to assist.

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Yes, I'm afraid real platforms look nothing like the ones PECO and Hornby sell.  They come in all shapes and sizes.

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They are excellent little figures.  What brand are they, Neil?

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MaxSouthOz wrote: They are excellent little figures.  What brand are they, Neil?
Preiser Max.  They are railway maintenance men.

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Thanks Neil.  Our MR shops here in Adelaide are pretty hopeless.  I'll try Tom's in Sydney.

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Doesn't Orient Express have them?  Hearns Hobbies (Flinders st, Melbourne) have a small selection but are good at ordering in whatever you want.

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Orient Express used to be good, but they let me down with ordering stuff, so now I don't bother.  There is a certain arrogance common to all three shops in Adelaide, now.  It's pretty stupid of them, when you consider the frightening amount of money we spend on our hobby.  Tony's Trains used to be good once; they'll still get stuff, but they aren't good with replying to emails.  This week I got a duplicate order of a signal tower kit because Tony's couldn't be bothered replying to my enquiry about my order which at that stage was four weeks old.

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Hearns are good but Trainworld are almost half the price.

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True, however I can pop into Hearns at lunchtime whereas Trainworld is an hours drive away.

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True, however I can pop into Hearns at lunchtime whereas Trainworld is an hours drive away.

Say G'day to John for me then. I used to be in there regular as clockwork but on my present hours since September I can't make it in at all. They're 10 minutes from work but lunch is only 30 giving no chance and they're closed by the time I leave.

So it's a trip to Trainworld when I can as that's only half the distance from home to the City and easy enough on public transport as well.

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Will do Rick,  I have found John to be a great help over the years.  He has saved me a lot of money and time with his advice.  Great bloke.

 

It's actually 10 - 15 mins from my workplace but my dept is a bit more flexible about lunchtimes.

 

Whereabout do you live then Rick?  I thought you were in South Australia somewhere.

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Neil, there are so many Leawarra's in Victoria, I gave up trying to find the one close to Trainworld.  I thought it was in NSW at first.

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Try looking on the Stony Point line ;-).

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post code 3199? I think I found it - well that is Leawarra station.

Sorry Neil for hijacking your thread.

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post code 3199? I think I found it - well that is Leawarra station.

Sorry Neil for hijacking your thread.



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Oh that's a bit closer to home.  I had thought you were in country South Australia for some reason.  Train World would be closer to you then.

 

Do you work in the city?  If so you are probably sitting a couple of blocks from me at the moment.  I'm on the corner of Bourke and William.

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Not far away. I'm on the corner of Russell and Collins though not today; I work Mondays / Wednesdays / Thursdays only. Must catch up sometime.

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Gwiwer wrote: Not far away. I'm on the corner of Russell and Collins though not today; I work Mondays / Wednesdays / Thursdays only. Must catch up sometime.

I used to work there too at 161 Collins st before moving over here.  Lots of designer stores round there.

 

Yes, we should catch up.  I work from home Mondays and Wednesdays so a Thursday would be the go.

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See, it not just the Northern Hemisphere mob who can get to meet each other but us down under too.

 Though I had met Neil before the forum thru a BRMA convention & of course I see the South Australian  YMR'ers a lot more often as we are members of various clubs here.

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Probably not a bad idea.  There are a few of use over here to make it worthwhile.

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I've been a bit busy of late as my Mum's over here and having the new addition to the family so work hasn't really progressed much.  I have some ideas for some long term issues which were holding up progress on the German part of the layout.

I recently did a review of the new Brawa KPEV S9 and although German modelling isn't of much interest to many here, I thought I put up some of the pictures from the review as some were ok.  This should keep you all going till I do something new I hope.:cheers

 



 

















 

The review is at http://www.modelrailforum.com/forums/index.php?autocom=custom&page=Brawa-KPEV-S9 if anyone's interested.

 

There are also some film clips to demonstrate the sound.
















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I must admit that European steam, diesel & electric locos take my fancy. The sounds, well, they do grow on you unfortunately.

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Sol wrote: I must admit that European steam, diesel & electric locos take my fancy. The sounds, well, they do grow on you unfortunately.

They sure do Ron an it can all get very costly.

 

The sound decoder on this particular loco is one of the best I have encountered so far.  It maintains the steam pressure sounds aswell as the chuff.  Most decoders will onlyhave the chuff.  It has the nice clanking sound when you drop back on the throttle and has many appropriate background sounds too.

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Lovely photos and videos Neill

The european models you have are very detailed Do you usually buy Steam era European locos or do you also by more modern image ones?

cheers Brian

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Mainly steam although I have a Trix ICE3 and I also have Taurus.  I am trying to cut down on the amount of stuff I buy but I really do like the modern express trains.

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It all looks great and it sounds just as good!
I'd like to see some stills with that smoke. I paused the videos a few times :thumbs

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No worries amd thanks Mike, I will be doing work on this section in the near future so more pictures will be forthcoming.. with smoke. Just finalising exactly what I intend to do.

 

 

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Neil I have no knowledge of DCC and smoke. Can you get the same smoke effects when the loco is standing still, or does it have to be moving? I mean, the capacity to take still shots of what appears to be a moving loco that's puffing away would seem to me to be a desirable feature.

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Hi Mike, yes you can get the same smoke effects however the smoke will rise straight up if the loco is not moving.  It tends to look better if the loco is moving forward.

 

I just press a function button on my controller and on comes the smoke, assuming that I have filled it with smoke fluid of course.  Here's some I prepared earlier.

 



 



 



 



 


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Neil thanks for clearing that up and for the photos. Lovely!

 I guess you could aim a gentle breeze from a fan onto it.

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yes, that's exactly what I tend to do although you have to keep the fan at a distance.

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One section of my layout that has been neglected for some time has been the German city scene.  There were a couple of reasons.  First is that I haven't had nearly as much time to spend on my layout since my youngest son came along and secondly, I have been getting round to installing point motors in this section.  I didn't want to ballast or scenic before I had these installed and working. 
This will soon be resolved as I will be ordering some lS150's and point motors soon to enable me to finish of this section.  A project that I thought I could start which was not dependent upon this was the interace between the epoch 1 Bavarian station and the city walls.  I have recently decided to make the actual city an epoch 2 scene rather than epoch 5.  This will involve a bit of work as all my buildings are set in epoch 5, so all the computer shops will have to go and be replaced with contemporary scenes.  I am reluctant to have nazi flags etc on my layout so I will have to get it as close as possible without making people think I have facist leanings.  I have also decided that the city that this cutting is going through will be based on Nurnberg as I have plenty of pictures that I can base new structures on.

The section decided on had a board in place for a backdrop which ended abruptly and, quite frankly, looked stupid.  I looked for ideas which would enable me to loose the backdrop yet have some form of interface which would bridge to the two eras and hide the control area.  The picture below of a bridge and tower in Nurnberg seemed a good idea asit could apply to any era.



Having used plasterboard previously for modelling I had thought of using that again however the problem would be the joins.  For this reason I used MDF  with pollyfilla over it.  First of all cut the MDF to size.



Then glue and nail it all together.



Cover it with pollyfilla and etch the brickwork onto it.



Start on the paintwork and try it for size.



For the roof, Faller and Vollmer make roof tiling sheets which are handy as the diamond style tiling is time consuming to do.  These sheets are just cut to size.  This was still a bit tricky as the roof doesn't have straight edges.  There is a bend about a third of the way down.



This was the end result.







The bridge next to the tower was made from plasterboard with a roof cut to size from the roof sheeting.



I haven't permanently attached the structures as I need to lift them off at this point for access.  I have one further tower to do at the end which will replace the Faller kit structure in the pictures.

The Faller old city walls and tower will need to be repainted and weathered to fit in.  I will permanently attach them together and plaster over the joins.  I am still thinking about what to use as for the city  square ground cover, e.g. whether to pave, have asphalt or gravel.



I also decided to curtail the Faller road system somewhat and only use half of the road length I had initially intended.  I'm not sure about the availability of epoch 2 vehicles but I'm sure I can knock up something.  I have also been looking into Veissmann signals but there are some issues with which decoder to use.

Here are some more photos of where I'm up to at the moment.
























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Phew :exclam:exclam When you do an update, you don't mess about, Neil. There's some very impressive modelling there, I love the way you've captured the feel of the German town. A really impresive section of modelling, well done and thanks for posting.

A question on the coating of the tower (A technique that will be useful in many other applications)    ....    did you manage to do the complete thing in one application without it drying too quickly, or is it a case of a liitle at a time?

2nd question    ....    does the polyfilla go straight on the MDF or is some sort of coating brushed on first?

Accept my apologies if you've covered this before, I remember your retaining walls, but I'm not sure how they were done.

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Hi Jeff,

 

I did all the pollyfilla in one go but I left the fourth side uncovered as I had to be able to rest it somehow.  Next time I would be inclined to do two sides at a time if I was doing a building with four walls.  It was starting to harden by the time I was getting to the end.  The thickness of the coating was a determining factor in how long it took.  The thinner the layer the quicker it dried.

 

The pollyfilla will go straight on the MDF but it has to be rubbed into it to stick.  Bob suggested putting PVA glue on first to assist with adhesion.  The MDF I used in this instance was from an old backdrop and had been pained prior.  This also assisted with adhesion.

The making of the tower up to the point where I am applying the first coat of wash was all done within one day.  The following day I did sanding filing and applying varying paints, washes and weathering powders and fixing up the roof.

 

Now that I have found this works I feel that I can now make any structure I like using this method.

 

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That's an excellent method Neil and one I'll be trying out.

Just to be a pain, I've one more question    ....    the stone walls of the tower look superb, but knowing that a slightly overscale stone is often the best looking, could I trouble you for a rough guide on how big those stones are? I'm having difficulty in estimating them from the photos, but they look spot on - a small point, perhaps, but the difference between an adequate job and a superb look. 

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Hi Jeff, the difficulty with this is that I had to estimate the sizes.  From the photos I have I saw that the stones were quite large and there were about two to a window.  So extrapolating from that I got about six mils per row.  The other thing I observed was that the pointing between the rows was quite big on the original so I allowed .5 to 1mm for that.

 

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A highly commendable effort there Neil. Not just the quality of the workmanship and the creation of a wonderful scene but fitting in the time among family commitments also.

:doublethumb:cheers

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Who's Doug?:hmm

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Senile moment :oops::oops: ..... I had one of Doug's windows open at the same time. My apologies Neil!

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No worries Rick.  I've done the same myself.

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:wow What a fantastic bit of modelling, and that tower is really impressive :doublethumb

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tick GVood, Neil.  Elephant stamp and two silver stars!  Great modelling!

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Thanks for the kind comments guys.  I'll hopefully get out tommorow to do the other smaller tower.

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Stop putting the rest of us to shame, Neil!

I have a meeting at my place in August and have done nothing to the scenery on my layout for a few months now. Even with a new youngster and other demands (not to mention trips away to Canberra) you have still managed to create a whole new scene with atmosphere in a very short amount of time.  :thumbs:thumbs

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I like the tower Neil, as Max said "Elephant stamp and two silver stars"

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Wonder if Neil might be able to squeeze Time Management Training for Railway Modellers into his busy schedule :cool wink

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come on gents, whats all this bulldust about ?
Rjr, Dave, Neil and myself  all have one thing," motivation "
in other words get off the proverbial and get cracking.

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come on gents, whats all this bulldust about ?
Rjr, Dave, Neil and myself  all have one thing," motivation "
in other words get off the proverbial and get cracking.

 

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Neil great job with the tower now what you like at making a bottle kiln! ;-)

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87 101 wrote: come on gents, whats all this bulldust about ?
Rjr, Dave, Neil and myself  all have one thing," motivation "
in other words get off the proverbial and get cracking.

 

:doublethumb  :mutley :pedal

Neil great job with the tower now what you like at making a bottle kiln! ;-)


Hi Dave, I've actually seen someone use a bottle for one of these.  Why not a bottle for the base then cover it with pollyfilla to get the right shape.  You might have to cover it with with pva to get proper adhesion.  Just a suggestion.

 
Stop putting the rest of us to shame, Neil!

I have a meeting at my place in August and have done nothing to the scenery on my layout for a few months now. Even with a new youngster and other demands (not to mention trips away to Canberra) you have still managed to create a whole new scene with atmosphere in a very short amount of time.  :thumbs:thumbs

 

Trouble is Jeff, I get so little time now that I have to take every minute I can get regardless of when it is or how I feel at the time.  Last Sunday the wife went to visit some relatives in the country so I had a whole day to myself.  This is what I did with it.  This morning Sarah is at Kindergarten with Hamish so I will be getting cracking on tower two at the other end of the bridge.  If you need a hand to do anything for preparation for the meeting or on your layout please give me a shout.  I'm more than happy to help.


The trouble with having too much free time is that you have the luxury of being able to put things off.  I don't anymore.  If my wifes at home I wont be allowed anywhere near the garage.  If she goes out on her own then I have the kids so I wont be going near the garage then.  It's only on those rare occaissions that they are all absent that I can get out there and get some work done.  I have to take full advantage of these occaissions when they happen.

 

Thanks for the kind comments guys.

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Great looking tower there Neil, it looks like it's been there forever! I may have to give your method a try!

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     Brilliant tower....unless I'm very much mistaken,at least one future header photo too!
.......As for the "slight bend about a third of the way down",don't worry.I'm told thats how the ladies like it!!!
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Do you aim for a certain time period or do you generalise?

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Hi Brian,

previously I was going to have it modern but what I am now going to do is make the city part Epoch II which is around the second world war.  The more country part will be Epoch I which is before 1918.  I need both era's to photograph models in as I do reviews of German outline models.

The trouble I have with the city part is that all the building kits are set in the modern era so I will have to modify most of them.  This isn't too  hard just changing signs, flags interiors.  I liked the idea of the walled town as the dividing area as it is timeless and is appropriate to all areas.

 

Jeff, I know what you mean.  I can't be bothered doing anything when I get home from work.  I usually do modelling during the day when I'm a bit fresher.  It's easy to make a hash of things when you're tired.

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Well after my initial attempt at using MDF and pollyfilla I decided to have another go by making the tower at the other end of the bridge to finish the scene off. 


Same process but as there is a semicircular part at one end I had to improvise a bit.  I used empty bog roll tubes to make the curved bit. 



It seemed to be successful and retained rigidity once it had the pollyfilla on it.

Putting the windows in was a bit tricky as I had put scrunched up bog roll tubes inside the other bog roll tubes for strength but do-able.



I used a lot of DCC Concepts new weathering powders on this to try them out.  They come in a handy container with a screw top so are a bit easier to use than the stuff in the bags.

I still need to tidy it up a bit by levelling the roof and so on but will allow it to dry thoroughly first.  Paint, glue and washes are a bit wet yet.

This is how it turned out.













This is what it's supposed to look like.


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Just caught up on this thread and boy what a difference you have made. Looks brilliant Neil. Fancy poping over to finish mine off :thumbs

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Ps, problem i have is the shift work i do, nothing gets done in or around the house, so my days of are mostly spent catching up, railway has to come second but i hope to get in there this weekend on my 5 days off.

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it`s as close to the real one as possible,nice bit of modelling mate ,

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Very atmospheric, doesn't get much better.

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i realy like the sceanry and the trains AWSOME

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I especially like the view upwards across the wagon carrying the half-track, the tower looks like a 'rupture-job' if you had to move it, very atmospheric.

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great model railway love the little animals and all the trains.if i had the chance i would have the duchess of hamiltion,the mallard.by the way what is the green one that looks like the original mallard?

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Hi it probably is an A4, there are two of them on the layout.

Here are some pictures of my latest purchase; a Brawa K.Bay Sts Bahn G4/5 freight loco.



 



I have been doing some work to my layout of late but will write that up and post some pictures later as I am determined to hammer on with this work and try and get it finished while I am on holiday.

By the way, what happened to the gallery?  Has that gone now?

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PM sent & I love that loco !!

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Sol wrote: PM sent & I love that loco !!

If you come along to the BRMA annual conference layout tour you could see more of it! My layout is one of the ones on the tour.  Are you coming Ron?

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Neil Wood wrote: .............

If you come along to the BRMA annual conference layout tour you could see more of it! My layout is one of the ones on the tour.  Are you coming Ron?

cheers

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At this stage, no,  as I am expecting to go to Newcastle with Max for the NMRA convention early September & I have to watch finances.

 

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The loco looks really good! The Bavarian steam engines have an air of elegance - this is a goods engine but has the looks of a thoroughbred that could pull the Orient Express.

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Nice work Neil, attention to detail, like the damaged brickwork on the retaining walls, love it! [Oh, and the locomotive is very nice, too :thumbs]


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Thanks guys.  I was a bit reluctant to fork out for some of the Brawa models for a while as they are quite expensive even for continental models.  Now That I have a couple I reckon they are worth the money.

I have managed to get a free morning in the garage today so am aiming to make a whole heap of trees and gorse bushes and populate a sdmall forest floor with mushrooms and ferns.  That's the target anyway.

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What happened Neil? Nothing now viewable in the post!

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Looks fine to me, Sol, Miss Model Rail 2009 in a bikini holding a lovely 'Big Boy'.........


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Sol wrote: Neil Wood wrote:
What happened Neil? Nothing now viewable in the post!


I was going to add an update by cutting and pasting over from MRF but this forum doesn't automatically resize pictures to 800 wide.  Because of that all the picturs would have been too big for this forum's rules.

So I would have to resize all the pictures to do it which is going to be a lengthy job.  I'm a bit busy now as I was when I originally intended to do this so it will unfortunatelty have to wait till I get a bi of spare time.  If you're chomping at the bit you can see what I was going to post here.

http://www.modelrailforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6325&view=findpost&p=133959

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Neil, because you have problems getting into the gallery which does automatically reduce size, yes you will have to resize in other programme. Hopefully SRman can help you out.
( one of my pics was reduced from 1705 x 1284 down to 793 x 600)

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Sol wrote: Neil, because you have problems getting into the gallery which does automatically reduce size, yes you will have to resize in other programme. Hopefully SRman can help you out.
( one of my pics was reduced from 1705 x 1284 down to 793 x 600)


Well Ron it turns out that the problem was that I had Ultra as my default setting colour.  When Jeff changed it over to beige the gallery and header picture reappeared.  Jeff did say that when he changed it to christmas he had all sorts of problems so this would seem to be something that needs looked into.

 

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Neil Wood wrote: Sol wrote: Neil, because you have problems getting into the gallery which does automatically reduce size, yes you will have to resize in other programme. Hopefully SRman can help you out.
( one of my pics was reduced from 1705 x 1284 down to 793 x 600)


Well Ron it turns out that the problem was that I had Ultra as my default setting colour.  When Jeff changed it over to beige the gallery and header picture reappeared.  Jeff did say that when he changed it to christmas he had all sorts of problems so this would seem to be something that needs looked into.

 

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Neil, the Boss has fixed those problems due to the various default themes . All now set to Beige.

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Sounds good Ron,

 

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Neil Wood wrote: Sol wrote: Neil, because you have problems getting into the gallery which does automatically reduce size, yes you will have to resize in other programme. Hopefully SRman can help you out.
( one of my pics was reduced from 1705 x 1284 down to 793 x 600)


Well Ron it turns out that the problem was that I had Ultra as my default setting colour.  When Jeff changed it over to beige the gallery and header picture reappeared.  Jeff did say that when he changed it to christmas he had all sorts of problems so this would seem to be something that needs looked into.

 

cheers

 

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Neil, the Boss has fixed those problems due to the various default themes . All now set to Beige.

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Over the last couple of weeks I have been trying to finish sections of the top of the layout at the front so I can start work on the cuttings below.  I had forgotten that there is a lot of work needing done down there.  I haven’t even painted the rails yet.  That’s the problem with having a break; I forget what I had done and hadn’t.  The plan is to work from the top down so I don’t dump scenic stuff on the completed sections.

I painted all the fencing green so next step will be weathering that with rust and adding some missing pavement to complete that area.  I boxed up all the German buildings so I now have a bit of space to work in.




I had got reasonably  far with my wheat field but ran out of (Busch) wheat.  I ordered another pack from Hearn’s hobbies but it just arrived on Friday afternoon so haven‘t had a chance to pick it up yet.





What I have done is finish off the woodland scene.  I have pretty much finished that off and made walls to bound it next to the road and edge of the cutting.  I’ll need to get some markings on the road to finish that off.










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Very nice Neil. Are they "magic" mushrooms?

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Sol wrote:

Very nice Neil. Are they "magic" mushrooms?


Hi Ron,

 

some of them are mate.  You just have to know which ones to pick.;-):mutley:hmm

 

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They sure are. Look at the size of 'em ;-). If I'm not mistaken they're Busch as well - their HO mushrooms seem to be O scale! That's Busch "bracken" as well isn't it? From the "ferns" kit. There's a fair few Busch packs waiting for attention here as well. Nice work.

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I like the clever changes of colour in the wood scene :thumbs

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Have you actually moved now? I know you were waiting on that with regards working on the layout

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henryparrot wrote: Neill

Have you actually moved now? I know you were waiting on that with regards working on the layout

Brian


Hi Brian, no we're here for at least another five years because of the economic meltdown in the UK.  We decided to extend the house so I will be building a German HO layout in the house.

Because of that I will now be converting this layout to Scottish  only with part being East Neuk of Fife and the raised part being West Highland.

Hi Rick, with the mushrooms, you have to use the small ones.  As you say the largest ones are way too big although if you were to cut them in half and stick them onto the bottom trunk of trees they would be life size as there is a local mushroom/fungus that size in our forests.  I think they are a golden colour

 

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I’ve done a bit more work over the last week or so and have a bit of an update.

I have finished off the old gun emplacement and weathered it a bit.  This is how it looks for a couple of angles.







This is how it fits into the bigger picture.





I am now working on the old sidings in the lower level where the ordinance would have been delivered down from the gun emplacement.  I have ballasted this bit and started on the weathering.  It still looks fairly healthy at the moment but I want to give it a really old abandoned derelict look so it looks like nothing has been maintained since 1945.  The main Leven to St Andrews line will look relatively well maintained in comparison.  Quite a few jobs needing done in this section; more weathering tracks and walls, make the fences look rusty, install girders under the bridges, place plants and trees in and around the tracks and I really need a fence to stop those cows falling off.





While doing this section I continued using the puffer bottle for grass but found it didn’t work so well on these smaller sections. I really wasn’t happy at all with how the grass came out.  I decided to bite the bullet and get a Noch Grassmaster as this seems to be set up to do small areas better.

I had been thinking about which castle to model for the section behind the field and have come to the conclusion that it will have to be Kellie Castle because of location and appropriacy.  Trouble is that it will not all fit in the given space.  I will have to do a bit of thinking to see if I can extend that area to get it in.

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Beautiful scenery, Neil. I love the cow pasture and the gun emplacement looks like its well entrenched there.
There are so many levels to take in :thumbs

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The rest of it not too shabby at all. You can "fence" cows in with a decent hedgerow if you so choose rather than an actual fence line. Or just park some open wagons beneath ready to catch them :thumbs




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Gwiwer wrote: Gun base spot-on Neil as Sol says. All you need is one of these



:mutley

The rest of it not too shabby at all. You can "fence" cows in with a decent hedgerow if you so choose rather than an actual fence line. Or just park some open wagons beneath ready to catch them :thumbs




"Lithdora" image created in Trainz by Chris Parnell and used with his permission.


Hi Rick,

 

I do actually have one of these which runs with my German stock purchased from Chris's shop no less.

Maybe increasing the gorse at the edge is the go.  Far easier than making the fence.  I might well do that.  Thanks for the kind comments guys.

 

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Thanks for the kind comments guys.

Much appreciated

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I thought it was about time for a bit of an update.  I have actually been doing a fair bit although it hardly looks like it.  It has all been focussed on one project though.  Recently I removed all the German towers and bridges from the edge of the raised bit and am now left with this which needs remodelled.  The plan is to cover over the gap at the top and place a castle on top of it with a bit of grounds.  I will need to make a couple of tunnel mouths to go at the ends.



I have a vacant section which was the turntable and am debating what to do with it.  I could do a diesel depot or country scene.  My current favourite idea is to do a small lochan with an island with tall trees as is often seen in the West Highlands.  I’d have to drop the level a bit so it goes well below the track level but it might be worth it.  I also thought a rockier outcrop behind it might be good too. I had a picture in mind that I seen of the line to Mallaig in a friends book.



I also intend to extend this section and have my West Highland station in here along with a small depot along the lines of Spean Bridge.  I will have to bend some of it round a corner at a 120cm radius so it will have to be modified a bit.  I already have the station building made so that’s a head start.  The extension will go over my workbench but will be about a foot above it so it will not obstruct using it.


The castle I mentioned earlier is the project that’s taking up most of my time.  It’s the biggest building challenge I have had to date.  There is a fair amount of work and, knowing what I know now, I probably should have made a simple tower.  What I am doing is make a model of Kellie Castle in Fife as it is a local castle.  I have most of the exterior done and just a few bits to scribe and colour .  Will be getting onto the windows next.  I bought some etched brass framework to use; I just have to remember what I did with them!









I also got my Grassmaster too and did a bit of work with that.  I redid a lot of the grass to give it a late summer, early autumn look. I found you get  better result when doing large areas.  I’m quite impressed with the results.







I still have a few loco mods to do too.  I need to finish the WD.  I put sound in but have to add coal, get rid of the front coupler and weather it a bit more.  I also have sound to put into 37, 47 and 26’s for the West Highland bit.  Loads to get done.  First though,  I’m looking forward to getting the castle done so I can get onto the layout extension area.  I like the idea of more track.  I can make the shuttle lines a bit longer!


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An ambitious project, but one worth watching, I think the castle is superb.

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Lots of work going on there Neil. How lovely it must be to have a "local castle" as well ;-)

The new plans promise much and what you show already suggests more quality workmanship will be delivered soon enough.

I'm sure it is Loch Eilt you have in mind when you describe the trees on an islet; they are the only remnants of the Great Caledonian Forest and the view is well-known to anyone who has travelled the line, browsed brochures or even watched any of the Harry Potter movies.

Would a maroon-liveried GWR "Hall" class masquearding as a "Castle" be joining the ranks :mutley:question

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Gwiwer wrote: McWow :wow

Lots of work going on there Neil. How lovely it must be to have a "local castle" as well ;-)

The new plans promise much and what you show already suggests more quality workmanship will be delivered soon enough.

I'm sure it is Loch Eilt you have in mind when you describe the trees on an islet; they are the only remnants of the Great Caledonian Forest and the view is well-known to anyone who has travelled the line, browsed brochures or even watched any of the Harry Potter movies.

Would a maroon-liveried GWR "Hall" class masquearding as a "Castle" be joining the ranks :mutley:question


Thanks Rick and Owen.  I hadn't actually thought of the Harry Potter train but maybe that would be the go.  I suppose it is fictionally prototypical.  Well it would go down well with the kids anyway.  The place I'm thinking of is on the Mallaig line.  The reason there is forest is because the sheep and deer can't get to the islands and eat the saplings.

 

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Loch Eilt is alongside the Mallaig line between Glenfinnan and Lochailort stations.

Linked images are not my own:

The view from the train:
http://images.travelpod.com/users/justinrowe/3.1228928400.trees-on-loch-eilt.jpg

The view of the area including the railway :
http://www.tw00f.freeuk.com/stm/2005_loch_eilt_0787j_txt.jpg

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Neil you have been extremely busy with all the varous projects on the layout you have made some really good progress

I can see that the castle has taking an extreme amount of hours to do and probably quite a few more yet but iti will be a major feature on the layout so its worth spending the time on.

The extention is a good idea making good use of your space available and as you say over your workbench it wont restrict you i any way.

The small Lochan with the island sounds a great idea Neill

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henryparrot wrote: Neil you have been extremely busy with all the varous projects on the layout you have made some really good progress

I can see that the castle has taking an extreme amount of hours to do and probably quite a few more yet but iti will be a major feature on the layout so its worth spending the time on.

The extention is a good idea making good use of your space available and as you say over your workbench it wont restrict you i any way.

The small Lochan with the island sounds a great idea Neill

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That's what I figured Brian.  I wanted a centrepiece and thought that a local castle would be good.

I'm getting more convinced by the lochan idea now. It seems to be a popular idea.

 

thanks for the input guys.

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Excellent, Neil.  That castle looks good enough as it is.  Maybe you could do it as a ruin.  It would save a lot of mucking about with windows.  Just a thought.  ;-)

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MaxSouthOz wrote: Excellent, Neil.  That castle looks good enough as it is.  Maybe you could do it as a ruin.  It would save a lot of mucking about with windows.  Just a thought.  ;-)

Funny you should mention it Max but I did the windows today.  They weren't that bad.  It's the roofs that will be a mission.  That will be a lot of work.

 

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Neil I think the castle is marvellous, and the new grass is, in my opinion, streets ahead of the earlier version. I always think landscapes look better and more realistic when grass is significantly lighter in tone than trees. :thumbs

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MikeC wrote: Neil I think the castle is marvellous, and the new grass is, in my opinion, streets ahead of the earlier version. I always think landscapes look better and more realistic when grass is significantly lighter in tone than trees. :thumbs

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Thanks Mike,  I got a variety of tones and was a bit worried that I mightr have overdone it a bit.  I have been looking at pictures and videos and thinkl it is actually all right.

 

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I was hoping to have finished this castle before this update but the whole castle project is a bit bigger than I had originally anticipated.  I am about 95% there and just have small details to finish such as chimney pots, door handles and the like. 

So here are some pictures of the castle in place.



Close up



With flags added



Large tree added



Side views with gravel driveway now in place.





How this looks in the greater context of the layout.





I have to say that had I known how much work these conical tower roofs were going to be I wouldn’t have bothered.  These really were a mission.  I still have to do walls for the front and back of the castle estate.  I also have a lot of tidying up to do with the fencing.  I am thinking of removing some of the fencing and replacing it with stone walls as this would be more appropriate for the area.  I’ll try to do some of the walling tomorrow if I get time.

I haven’t shown any pictures of the back as I am still to finish off a lot of the part at the rear.  I’ll show some pictures when I do that part.

I got some track from Paul (Lancashire Fusilier) at the weekend so I am pretty much ready to start my West Highland extension.  It will still be based on Spean Bridge but will have to curve a bit.  I had better finish up the rear part of the castle and do the tunnel mouths and covering foliage first however so the extension may have to wait until next week or even month.

I have started acquiring a fleet of late eighties early nineties diesels to run on the West Highland lines at the top.  I am in the process of installing sound detailing and weathering these.  The 47 and 26 both have sound installed.  There is also a 37 which I installed sound in but it had to go back as the decoder was faulty.  I just have to do the powders on the 26 and 47 and then they are done.  Here are some pictures of the 47.






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I cannae see the piper on the ramparts :mutley




But seriously - a mission well accomplished by the looks of those photos Neil. Tick, VG, haggis stamp ;-)

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So the trains run through the dungeons of the castle then Neil :question  It has it's own Underground Rail line - Dungeon Station  :question

 

All the latest pix are good but I like this one


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Though the camera angle in that photo shows the dog-leg in the track this side of the point.

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Cheers Rick.  Unfortunately Ron, in Europe there were many existing structures already built when railways came to be built.  Tunnels often go underneath these.  In Edinburgh and Glasgow, amongst many other cities in the UK alone, there are many buildings which have tunnels underneath.

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OMG  That is one seriously good castle.  :thumbs

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MaxSouthOz wrote: OMG  That is one seriously good castle.  :thumbs
tis isn`t it?, you feel like going in for a look round ,brilliant.
:wow:lol::lol::cool:

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Cracking build Neil, might have to pop along the road and compare the two ;-), wasn't there a preservation line along that way some years ago, I seem to remember going as a wee boy in the 70's

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Neill as you said the castle was a great deal of work but you have ended up with a cracking unique model which on its own gives a instant Scottish feel to the layout.

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Lawrence wrote: Cracking build Neil, might have to pop along the road and compare the two ;-), wasn't there a preservation line along that way some years ago, I seem to remember going as a wee boy in the 70's


Actually Lawrence the original isn't that far from you.  It's based on Kellie castle.

There was a preservation line around there as I have some film of Union of South Africa running on it.  I can't remember exactly where it went though.  I did see UoSA in Markinch and Kirkcaldy stations every now and again back then.

 

Thanks for the kind comments folks.

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Not being kind, Neil. This is seriously good!

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MikeC wrote: Not being kind, Neil. This is seriously good!

Mike


Thanks Mike.

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I did a bit more work on the layout yesterday.  I have extended the raised shuttle lines so that they go over the top of my workbench adding on another metre and a half.  I still have a bit of planning to do before I start laying track as I have to incorporate s-88’s into the track for the shuttles.  I’ll maybe do a test on the Veissmann 5217 before settling on anything as I may have to order an LDT one instead.  Anyway this is the new section shown below.



I have also been weathering locos and installing decoders and smoke units etc.  I should have the 37 finished once the sound decoder returns from the shop.  My 26 is now finished and here are some pictures of it on my layout.











 

I have started the walling to go round the castle area.  I have the basic wall shapes with Pollyfilla on.  I just have to etch and stain them. That will be the next thing to do.  I was doing ducting today but ran out of paint to finish it all off.  I’ll get some more paint tomorrow and show some pictures soon.

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Most excellent work.
Nothing to criticise (even silently!).
A huge project showing great eye for detail.
Maybe I'd be tempted to paint the green railings to subdue them but that's just a personal preference and not a criticism.
Brilliant and inspired workmanship.

How do you sculpt your polyfilla, Neil?
I've been developing a Dremel technique on plastic which works for me and is very quick.

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I like those locos, Neil - classes 47 and 26 Is that a Scottish livery in particular?

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More fine work indeed.

The class 47 is in BR Provincial Sector livery with the "Scotrail" branding almost universally applied to locos, coaches and multiple units allocated to Scottish depots. The livery itself was much more widespread and could be found literally from one end of the UK (Wick and Thurso) to the other (Penzance) on class 156 dmu units. The Highland stag motif was unique to locos based at Inverness if I remember aright.

The class 26 wears BR Railfreight Sector plain grey. This was again a nationwide livery though had many detail variations. The red buffer beam was common but by no means standard and was not uniquely Scottish. Another version had a red band along the locomotive solebar instead or as well as the buffer beam. The application of black around the cab windows was to reduce glare which could otherwise be reflected from the yellow. The extent of the yellow around the cab sides was another variant. The only uniquely Scottish element is the inclusion of the "Scottie" (Highland Terrier) dog logo which belonged to Glasgow Eastfield depot.

Provincial was one of the original post-monolithic, pre-privatisation BR sectors set up to run all those (mainly secondary) passenger services not vested in the InterCity or Network SouthEast sectors. In practice this included all services in Scotland other than those InterCity services to and from England.

Railfreight was likewise one of the original BR sectors and which gained responsibility for all freight and internal-user (i.e. BR's own maintenance and engineering) trains plus the residual mail, parcels and newspaper traffic of the time.

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ddolfelin wrote: Most excellent work.
Nothing to criticise (even silently!).
A huge project showing great eye for detail.
Maybe I'd be tempted to paint the green railings to subdue them but that's just a personal preference and not a criticism.
Brilliant and inspired workmanship.

How do you sculpt your polyfilla, Neil?
I've been developing a Dremel technique on plastic which works for me and is very quick.


Hi

Thanks, the green railings are getting pulled and replaced with walls instead.

I use craft knifes and stanley knifes to inscribe the pollyfilla.

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MikeC wrote: I like those locos, Neil - classes 47 and 26 Is that a Scottish livery in particular?

Mike


Hi Mike, Rick seems to have covered this quite well.  The 47 is a limited edition from Rails of Sheffield. There is still a couple available I believe.

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Not just from Rails!



http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/product/31725/31650N_Bachmann_Class_47_Diesel_Locomotive_number_47_461

and



http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/product/31726/31650T_Bachmann_Class_47_Diesel_Locomotive_number_47_541

We did swapsies for a couple of models as they have someone who wanted some of our models and some of our staff wanted some of theirs!

Love that 26 Neil, glad to see someone has already nominated it for picture of the week.  Weathering is just spot on.

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I didn't know your shop had them too Chris or I would have ordered them from you.  Sorry mate.  I'll try to check your site more often.  BTW if you do have any Scottish stuff it's worth letting me know as I'm usually interested.

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Thanks, Neil.
Shame about all the work on those railings.

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Just caught up with your layout and it looks just superb. I love the pictures of the class 26. I am sorry if I missed your explanation but is this new section replacing the German/Swiss area or is this an additional section? I do like it very much though and will watch the progress, which seems very rapid.

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ddolfelin wrote: Thanks, Neil.
Shame about all the work on those railings.


No problem I'll use them on another layout.

 

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Novice wrote: Neil

Just caught up with your layout and it looks just superb. I love the pictures of the class 26. I am sorry if I missed your explanation but is this new section replacing the German/Swiss area or is this an additional section? I do like it very much though and will watch the progress, which seems very rapid.

Bob(K)


Hi Bob,  I have removed the German Swiss section from this layout and it is now all Scotland.  The lower section is based on East Fife and the upper section is based on the West Highland and Kyle lines.

I will be building a German Epoch 1/2 layout later this year (hopefully) which will be located in the house for my German stock to run on.

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Neil,
     Only just caught up with this conversion.OMG!!! I thought the old bits were great,but the new replacements are even better,and that castle.................delicious!!!
     You seem to have done it all in a relatively small time frame too,you talented beggar!:mrgreen:
Great work,Sir.

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Cheers,John.B.:thumbs

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Yes Lawrence, bring it on!

Hi John, I actually don't get that much time as I have two young kids but I try to do little bits here and there when ever I get the chance.

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I have been meaning to do an update on my layout for some time but have been so busy.  A lot has happened but there is still quite a lot to get done.  What follows are work in progress shots; not the final look.  I’m well aware that lots needs done.   I just felt that it was about time for an update as there is a lot going on. 

Firstly I changed the fencing around the castle to walling which does look better.  I still have to do stuff like pavements etc but that can wait for a bit.





The next thing going on was the extension to the upper shuttle lines.  I have now laid all the track, installed point motors, occupancy detectors and point decoders.  Unfortunately I am unable to test it as the s-88 arrived without a connecting cable; apparently LDT no longer supply them due to the option of connectors now.  I'm waiting on the cable arriving now as I has to order it once I found out! This is how the new terminus bit looks.



Having gone as far as I could with that I then went on to the area where the turn table used to be.  I have attempted to model Loch Eilt here.  I still have more layers of epoxy to add to build up layers for the loch.  The land needs tree and bushes still.  The upper area above the raised tracks is to go.  I don’t like it and have a better idea for this area.  I have a backdrop which will fit in here.  The fir trees will get pulled and replanted in a plantation like we tend to see these days. 





At the moment I have been doing a lot of tidying up.  Wiring cleaning paint of the tops of tracks etc.  Next day I will start tidying up the scenic’s on the lower area round the loch.  Once this area is done I can start on a new area.  Probably backdrops all round this upper area then move on to ripping out the area I mentioned before at the back.





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Terrific, Neil.  I can't remember you having all that free space!  It looks great.  :thumbs

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MaxSouthOz wrote: Terrific, Neil.  I can't remember you having all that free space!  It looks great.  :thumbs

Cheers Max, it was a turntable when you saw it. ;-)

 

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I haven't done an update for some time despite the fact that a lot has been happening because I have been a bit focussed on getting the layout presentable for the BRMA layout tour.  The layout tour came and went with very few mishaps; only three guys from the first group got lost and turned up later when group three were there but that wasn't a big issue as there was sufficient room,  Jeff (SR Man) took control of the wrong HST ( I suppose this would be an argument for a colour screen ECoS) and did a head charge into the Jacobite steam special, my class 60 stopped at one point and decided it wasn't going to move again.  That was it though.  Nice to see Ian Futers, who was the special guest speaker at the conference the day prior, come to see my layout.  No one here models Scottish layouts so it was good to get someone to talk about Scottish layouts with.  Bit of a first now I come to think about it!

Nice to get a chance to get my feet up and not feel under pressure to get a move on with the layout.  I can now take my time and do a few other things like photography.

So onto what's been happening on the layout.  I'll keep it general and maybe go into specifics on future posts.  Here are a couple of pictures of the rear of the castle as I haven't shown this aspect before., probably because it looked like a dog's breakfast.





I have tried to conceal it as well as I can with vegetation but the tunnels are still visible and not that great.  There isn't a lot I can do about it at this point but fortunately people in this position are likely to look at other parts of the layout, such as this.





This is the new extension to the shuttle lines.  Plockton station is at the far end and I'm still deciding what to do about the other end.  I can have a terminus at the place shown in the pictures above but had been intending to do a station in the middle, probably Spean Bridge.  It's a bit to close for two stations so maybe do Spean bridge where intended and have the platform continue a fair bit round the curve and along the straight.  I'm open to ideas.  I have a West Highland station building already built though so it will have to be a West Highland station what ever is decided.

I built up rocky hillsides in the corners at the back to hide the joins between the new backdrops.

This is the mid section where the planned West Highland station will go. 












The last shot shows a landscape picture of the area.  I still have to add more vegetation, ferns and gorse.  I hadn't thought I would have had time to do this corner.  It used to have a Swiss mountain scene with high cliffs over here and I thought it would have been too much trouble to rework it before the layout tour but my A3 got stuck in there and I was unable to get it out.  I took this as a sign that I had to demolish this area and I'm glad I did; it looks so much better than it did.  Moving round from this corner we now have the section before the bridges.  I had a tidy up here and used the grassmaster to make it look more natural. 










The backdrop behind this area has lots of pine plantations so I was able to line the wall with pine trees to merge the scene with the backdrop.  I will ballast this bit soon and finish it off as it has been in place for a couple of years no with no problems.  I'm just waiting on it getting a bit warmer as it dries up quicker.

I was also speaking to Jeff aka SRman about doing some videos of sound locos as he is without a layout at the moment.  I'm quite looking forward to doing a bit of that as a welcome change from doing scenics.  I have a Tornado on the way ( a model one that is) to get sound in and have done a few sound install's that I have been meaning to film so will fit that in.  There's a station to build and fair bit of ballasting, point rodding, signals and so on.  It just doesn't end does it?




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Great photos, Neil.  I thought you were running European.  Did I miss something?

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Cheers Max.

 

I decided to build a German only layout in the extention when it gets built so this layout is only Scottish now.

 

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Progress indeed, Neil and I see that Tim's axe has swung on part of the layout at least exclam:exclam:
I like the look of the new bits, especially loch Eilt. Whatever resin you are using it certainly good. Is it an Australian made resin??

As for your last comment "it just doesn't end, does it", I would certainly agree, but that's part of the charm I think.

Keep us updated, mate, I've missed seeing your progress. :thumbs:thumbs

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Gwent Rail wrote: Progress indeed, Neil and I see that Tim's axe has swung on part of the layout at least exclam:exclam:
I like the look of the new bits, especially loch Eilt. Whatever resin you are using it certainly good. Is it an Australian made resin??

As for your last comment "it just doesn't end, does it", I would certainly agree, but that's part of the charm I think.

Keep us updated, mate, I've missed seeing your progress. :thumbs:thumbs


Hi Jeff,

It is a local epoxy but any clear epoxy will do it.

 

Thanks mate.

 

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Will do Marty.

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Not bad for a beginner I suppose ;-)

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Hi Neil,

Some cracking pictures you have taken :thumbs this is one superb layout :cool:

Keep up the good work and updates

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Neil,
Some more superb shots of a superb layout...I can see you catching up Mike C for number of header photos!!
 Lovely work mate!
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Thanks guys, still some way off Mike C's excellent work though.

 

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Bit of an announcement for those who have been looking in; I am going to have to rip up my layout as I am demolishing my house and garage. There will be no more work done on it now as I have about a month or too before demolition starts. I'll try to photograph and film the layout in that period to record it.

We are having a new house built and it will take up a lot more space than the current house and garage. The upside is that I will get a dedicated train room in the house where I will be able to have a couple of layouts. I will try to salavage some of the upper parts but most will just have to be stripped.

Oh well better start to plan the new layouts!
 
The house and garage gets flattened next weekend.
 

 I was recording the layout before dismantling and salvaging so I took some films of it.  I thought I'd post some here in case there was any interest.  Some of these were primarily intended to demonstrate the sound decoders but do show a bit of the layout so I'll chuck them in anyway.
 



 

 

 
 

 

 

 

 


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Gutsy stuff, Neil.  :thumbs

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Gosh Neill major works

Shame you have to dismantle all the lovely work you have done hopefully you can salvage a lot for use on the new layout.

IT sounds like you have secured a good area for your new layout room as you mention a couple of layouts is it actually bigger than you have now?

I presume in Australia most places are timber frame so have you been given a timescale roughly from start of demolision to finish?

Are you doing a caravan job or are renting another place while work is done?

We will be able to see piccys of the new layout room from dirt base up now:lol::lol:

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Hi Max, Brian, I finished dismantling the layout yesterday so I managed to salavage most of the points, point motors point decoders and all the s-88's qand other modules.  A couple of bits I had hoped to salvage were unfortunately unsalvageable as they were built on or overlapped with polystyrene which was unsupported.  I did manage to get the cliff top section which is no split in two and will go intoo storage.  I got all the buildings too. 

The plan is roughly to have a German HO layout round one side with a Scottish Fife ECML based layout on the opposing side of the room.  Both these layouts will be based on opposite sides of the room with storage yards underneath the opposing layout.  The diesels will be resurected in a modular layout which may be an exhibition layout and will be shuttle lines. I will use the west highland and plockton station buildings again and will add the avalanche shelter which runs along Loch Carron on one of the modules.

 

The room will be roughly the same size but different shaped.  4.5 by 3,5 metres.  If I have the layouts between 90cm and 1.2m then there should be enough room for people to walk inbetween.  It will all be powered by the ECoS but am thinking of adding a Multi mouse to supplement the Mobile control.

The house gets demolished next week and building starts March. It is supposed to take 26 weeks so here's hoping they are on time.  We are staying at the Mother in laws!  Will be taking a stress break in June to head home for a month.

 

Photos will follow as work progresses.

 

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Neil's got some seriously big model ships as well, fellas.  They take up a big part of his lounge room.  Where will you put hem, Neil?

I don't suppose you could take a piccy or two for Petermac, Neil?

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Looking forward to the two new ones, Neil. They are sure to be excellent :thumbs

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it is all starting for 2011,gonna be a great year for the forum, be like starting all over again,

new layouts  right left and centre,

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MaxSouthOz wrote: Neil's got some seriously big model ships as well, fellas.  They take up a big part of his lounge room.  Where will you put hem, Neil?

I don't suppose you could take a piccy or two for Petermac, Neil?


Here you go Max,  they've been relocated to Sarah's mum's place.  I'm thinking of starting another one as I have no railway to work on.

 




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MikeC wrote: Looking forward to the two new ones, Neil. They are sure to be excellent :thumbs

Mike


I hope so Mike, I have learned a lot from this last layout and know much mre than I did when I set that layout up.  I think this time I'd forget the silflor and grassmaster it all  the way. 

 

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owen69 wrote: it is all starting for 2011,gonna be a great year for the forum, be like starting all over again,

new layouts  right left and centre,

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Here's hoping the house is completed in time for me to start in 2011 Owen.

 

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Neil Wood wrote: MikeC wrote: Looking forward to the two new ones, Neil. They are sure to be excellent :thumbs

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I hope so Mike, I have learned a lot from this last layout and know much mre than I did when I set that layout up.  I think this time I'd forget the silflor and grassmaster it all  the way. 

 

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 Neil is that because grassmaster looks better? or that it's less expensive? or both?

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Hi Mike, a bit of both.  The grassmaster is brilliant for large areas and if you mix the flock used far more realistic.  Silflor is good for small clumps but looks a bit fake when used in big mats.

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Good luck wi the rebuild Neil, pleased to hear that Ainster will still be in there somewhere, mind you, with all that space you will have enough room to do the Tay Bridge South - Wormit - Newport on Tay - Tayport line (might even be able to lay my hands on some old plans of Tayport harbour ;-))

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Lawrence wrote: Good luck wi the rebuild Neil, pleased to hear that Ainster will still be in there somewhere, mind you, with all that space you will have enough room to do the Tay Bridge South - Wormit - Newport on Tay - Tayport line (might even be able to lay my hands on some old plans of Tayport harbour ;-))


Cheers Lawrence, I'm thinking Lower Largo at the moment.  It's the viaduct that attracts me with the small harbour underneath.  Just deciding whether I am up for a 1/76 model of the Crusoe and where to get measurements.  I'd hate to spend June wandering up and down the pier with a tape measure!

 

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Neil, if you google lower largo then click images, you will get some great pictures, you will have to work out scales but there are plenty of references and you can always look at google maps for area refs and street view for close ups

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Lawrence wrote: Neil, if you google lower largo then click images, you will get some great pictures, you will have to work out scales but there are plenty of references and you can always look at google maps for area refs and street view for close ups


That;s a good idea Lawrence. Thanks for that. I might do that to start off with while I'm over here and then clarify anything when I'm at home this summer.

 

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Just a quick note to let you know that the new house is built, we moved in a couple of weeks ago and am now thinking about the new layout.  I have a room 3.5 by 4.5 metres to build in.  Still not quite sure how I'm going to do it but am sure I'll get there in the end.

 

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Don't forget Neil then to have photos on going as you develop the new Rail Empire.

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Will do Ron.

Yes Owen, it's a decent size.  Could always be bigger though if you know what I mean.;-)

 

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I'd suggest you've got it the wrong way round Neil.  First you build the railway room THEN you build the house !!!

Sounds like a great space - is it much bigger than you had before ?

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Hi Peter,  it's about the same are but is now 3.5 by 4.5 rather than 3 by 5.  It is however indoors and heated and air conned so more work can get done.

 

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Good to hear of positive developments Neil.  And I look forward to seeing progress on a layout in due course.

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Heated AND air-conned :shock::shock::shock:  That's 5 star accomodation Neil but then so it should be. :thumbs

Do you have heating and air-con in your living quarters too ? :mutley:mutley

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Yes Peter, we did stretch to doing the rest of the house as well.  Makes it a lot easier than the previous garage affair was. 

Dying to get started but had better plan a bit more first.

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all I got to say is HOLY.....WOW!!!!!! very nice, and I absolutly LOVE that black loco with the red wheels and stream lined looks, what type of loco is that?? I really would love one my self!! beautiful work!!

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Very impressed, and the sea wall is standing up better than Dawlish.

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Beautiful layout Neil! I especially like the Fishing village in the beginning. (It was inspiration for mine.) :doublethumb

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Is Niel still with us? if so we are long overdue an update on this layout!!

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Yep, still here folks. Had issues with access but all sorted now. Old house got demolished and new one rebuilt with dedicated train room. Old title of east fife and west highland doesn't apply anymore as new layout is exclusively German. It's a town layout based on Rothenburg in Bavaria. Updates to follow. If a mod looks in maybe the title of this thread could be changed to Bavarian layout as it's more appropriate for what I'm doing now.

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Time for an update. We knocked our house down and built a new bigger better one and out of that I got a bigger garage with a bigger workbench, a room for computers and models and, best of all, a designated layout room inside the house which has air con and heating. No more of that layout in the garage nonsense. We moved in a couple of months ago and the dust has started to settle on the sorting the house out. As my time has freed up from house stuff my focus has shifted back to hobbies so I have started building a new layout. The room is 3.5metres by 4.5 metres and will feature two layouts on opposing sides of the room

The plan is rough and ready at this point. Some parts are fixed and others I'm still figuring out how I am going to do. The current debate is where the storage yards for the Scottish layout will go although, to be honest, there's only one place it can really go. There is also how I disguise the two UK lines going in front of the German station. I have made half the base boards and will do the rest once I get some free time in December. This is one of the baseboards.




Most of the base boards will be this frame format. It'll help to keep the weight down. The majority of the layout will be train line running through scenery. On one side of the room I will make a scene based on Lower Largo with viaduct and harbour. On the other side I'll have a German city scene modelled on Rottenburg. This will have a station with about six platforms. The main line from this layout will go round the back scene of the lower Largo layout. Both lines will go around the room. The current problem is the Lower Largo line will have to go round the front of the German station when it is at the other side of the room so I am looking for ideas to disguise or hide it.

Anyway here are the two benches where the station and city scene will be.





Ignore all the crap underneath. It will be covered over at some future point. The track will be 130cm high all the way around. The lower benches are 110cm high and will feature a raised track. This will allow me to have slopes coming down from the track bed.

I'll also have to have some kind of a raising and lowering bridge for the track at the door to allow access.

We'll that's it for now. I'll post some more once something noteworthy happens.

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I got round to finishing off the base boards. The track plan isn't really finalised and I have to do the initial tracklaying to see what will really work. The layout, or rather the track I'm laying at the moment, is for the German layout. The plan is that this layout will occupy the main base boards as depicted below. There will be an eight track station with a city scene behind . Still deciding on whether turntable is feasible or not.





These are the tracks that go round the edge of the room. There are remnants of the old layout here which I hope to incorporate into the new one.





These take the German lines behind what will be the UK layout. This is the line that will go behind.



There will be a backdrop on front of this to conceal it. In order to gain access to the layout a duck under or bridge was needed. This is it. It is not fixed down so can still be hinged to make a flap or as it is; a lift out.



I found a good supplier of cork for underlay. It came nicely packaged in very precisely cut sheets.



I am also still thinking about a large board for storing the ECoS and a laptop as the aim is to have it all computer controlled. This is the size and sheet of MDF I had in mind. One of the idea's I had in mind was to attach it to the underside of the layout however while pulling it out to take this picture I realised how heavy it was. I am now thinking about making it into a wheeled table that can be pulled out and stowed away when required.



That's all for now, next step is to lay some track.

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Bit surprised to see how long its been since I last posted on this. Funding had become an issue as we just had our new house built and needed to buy lots of stuff for the house, create gardens, driveways paths etc. Then my wife was unable to work for a year however all back on track now and work on the layout is full steam ahead.

There's a few things happening; lots of kit building for the city scene and railway yards, track laying, point instalation, electronics instalation, board building and backscenes.

Kit building
I'm building the kits with one coat of paint and not bothering to detail or weather them. This is more so I can move them around and get them in the right place before finally settling them in a permanent location. Once a permanent location is found I'll finish off the painting and weathering.

Track laying
Have laid two circuits of the boards and am in the process of adding yards as time allows. The wiring is loose and in choc blocks until I get my ECoS detectors after which a more permanent form of wiring will be done. I have already isolated all lengths of track in anticipation of the block sections.

Point instalation
Using my favoured combination of Lenz LS 150 and Tillig motors. Yep, they are noisy but then you know they've sprung. Ran out of LS150s the other day so more on order. Will finish of the last points I have when this arrives. Only two left at this point. Will get more later in the year.

Electronics
Had been thinking about moving to Zimo but don't think it gives me anything more and costs a lot. Will be staying with ESU for the duration. I don't think there is a better controller out there. I think my issue was that, having bought the ECoS when it first came out, it is the black and white screen version. I'd like the colour but don't need two ECoS's so can't really find a reason to buy a colour one. I'd like one but it's a lot of cash only for the colour screen. I'd get no additional functionality. I suppose I could get round this by using software which I was thinking of before. Maybe further down the track I'll get a lap top and use RR and Co? Anyhow having decided on sticking with ESU I've ordered the ECoS detect modules and am waiting on them coming. Will do a bit of rewiring then.

Board building
For this section of the layout board building is almost at an end. I made the last board for the rear right corner the other day. It's not been put in place yet as it will be in a difficult to access position. I intend to add an upper level which will be one terminus of the shuttle lines that will run along the back of the layout. I'l fix this in and also the back boards will be attached to this too. The plan is to try out all the buildings for this area before hand and come up with the best fit, do the paths roads etc before putting it in. Currently I'm using it as a workbench for kit building as shown below.



Backboards
I found some ok backscenes on sale from Modelbahn Kramm which I've ordered. I'll modify these a bit but some of them look ideal. The city I'm building is modelled on Rottenburg and the back scenes seem to be just right for this. Nice size too 40cm high, which isn't bad.

I was just thinking the other day about how much better it is having a designated railway room actually in the house rather than having to go out in the garage. It's heated, has air con and I don't have to go out in the rain. If I get a spare minute I can just pop in and do stuff rather than it being a minor expedition.

Here's some pictures of where I'm up to.

This is the main station area. This will have platforms etc. The area to the left will be coaling yards and other services. The area to the right will be old town. At the very back of this section will be two raised shuttle lines where I'll leave two locos to shuttle back and forward. I will mainly focus on era 2 but will occaisonally run era 1 and 3 if I feel like it.



This is the track laying at the main station area. Still ongoing and probably will be for a while.



This is the duck under bridge just as you come in the room. It is still a lift out section but I will be nailing it down as it's not too hard to duck under. I've tried to make the layout pretty close to eye level as there's no point buying highly detailed stcok and detailing your layout if you can't see it. Besides if the kids can reach it, it's history. On my last layout the kids liked to play on the grass section with their dinosaurs when I wasn't looking! Triceratops can play havoc with your grass and scenery.



This area is to the immediate right as you come in the room. This will ultimately be hidden behind backboards and another layout will be built at the front part. Still not sure what I'm going to do here. Originally I had wanted to build a Scottish coastal scene but am not really interested in that at the moment. Another option would be turntable and sheds but I'll leave that for now as I have enough to do elsewhere.



That's where I'm up to at the moment so hopefully some more progress soon. I'll pick up some more track at the Caulfield show as Orient Express usually come to that and they are the guys who I buy my Tillig track from locally.

Shame I missed your post Erkut, the weinert track looks pretty good. I might get some to see if it's worth switching over.

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As it's been a while since I've been working on my layout I've forgotten what I needed to get and what I already have. I did have some of this information on spreadsheets but am not able to find them either now. For example, I could have swore that I had 4 Lenz LS 150's (point decoders); 1 that I'd broken and 3 that worked. Couldn't find the third working one so ordered another. Lo and behold, I'd just bought another one when I came across the missing one the following day! Inevitable really. So, after that, I went through all the storage boxes to see exactly what I had in them. Found most of what I had with soem nice surprises too. Still a couple of missing items though. Also changed over my stock from era 1 to era 2 as this is what I will be running mainly.

I had a couple of base board areas which still required completion. One which would only hold buildings and was going to be constructed of lighter plywood. The other area was a square hole in the main station area which I'd left for access. I did have a square bit of chipboard on the floor underneath the layout which I had always assumed to be the piece which filled the hole. I tried it in the gap and surprise, it didn't fit at all. No idea how that came about! I then cut a new piece of chipboard to size and fitted it so the track work can continue when I get more in a couple of weeks time.

The other bit that needed completion is the bit in the right hand corner here. I cut a piece of plywood to size. Doesn't need much strength here as only buildings on top.





Now the plan was to have parallel shuttle lines running down the very back of the layout. I had already cut some chipboard for this. However, when I married up the cut chipboard with the bridge sections it seems that the bits I cut were too narrow. I'll still be able to use some of it but will need more.



This picture shows where the shuttle line will go and the difference in size between the two bits of chipboard. This also gets further complicated because I will be attached the backboards with backscene to the back of this. I'm having a bit of a pause to think about this. My current thoughts are to scrap the previous stuff I cut and just buy more chipboard and cut it to the right size so that it fits straight on both sides.

The section below will be the old town and have old world buildings. I have a few in storage which I can use. The plastic bridge to the left is the one which the shuttle lines will cross.



While I was doing this I thought I'd pull out the buildings I had for this section to see what I had. I was going to order some more but am now thing the ones I made weren't bad so might make some instead. There's certainly some space to fill. The walls will go round the edge closest to the rail lines.



This view shows how it will fit in with the main station area.



On the opposite side of the station area I was going to put in some services like coaling sand etc. The size here will be limited by the curved shuttle line cutting in and arching round.



I had already cut the base board for the shuttle line so this will give you an idea of the space available. I might have to recut this and make it wider next time though.



Not completely convinced there's enough room but will build all the items and move them around to see how it all looks. I had originally intended to put the turntable in here but, clearly, that's not happening. I've run out of track now so in the meantime I'm building all my kits. Have a bit of a backlog of these. Might scratch build some new buildings but will see where I'll place the existing ones so that I can tailor the new ones to available footprints.

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Well, have done a fair bit more but it doesn't really look it. Most of what I have done has been rewiring and point instalation.

I got four more points and motors installed. Went to buy some more Tillig flexi track from the Orient Express stand at the Caulfield show when I was there the other week but they had forgotten to bring the flexi track with them. Ended up buying some points and motors instead. Have them all installed and connected up now. There we go; that's 300 bucks there. Doesn't look it really, does it? We're looking at the bit in the top left.



Installed the EcoS detector. Took the opportunity to tidy up my wiring at the same time. Went fairly smoothly but has made me have a bit of a rethink on the decoders I buy from here on. What has prompted this is that the ECoS detector has 4 ports which will show the loco in the block if the loco is railcom enabled. Initially I thought this was great , and still do, but what I then went on to notice was that very few decoders actually have railcom. In many I am finding that the railcom enabled box is disabled and astonishly this includes the ESU ones which have been provided to loco manufacturers for factory pre-instals. I have tried writing 46 to cv 29 but it won't take, I'm guessing because the decoder doesn't have railcom at all. This seems to include the Loksound 3.5 which are quite recent. My problem is that this seems to be the bulk of my stock. If I'd stayed with Lenz Gold instead of installing sound in them all I wouldn't have this issue now. The ones which seem fine are the loksound 4's. I've now been doing a stock take of locos to see how many actually have functional railcom and it's not much, five so far! So good that there's a new feature but not good that very few decoders respond to it. I did notice something on the ESU forum today which mentioned a product you can add to an existing decoder to allow railcom to identify the loco. I've now found out what product that is so can add RailCom to many of my stock now.

I was tending towards the Zimo decoders but am now convinced that there is a use for Railcom so will be heading back to ESU in future. I like the feature which shows which railcom enabled loco is on the section. Ideally I'd like to see a version of the ECoS detector which showed which loco was in every single block.

I'd been looking at buffer stops and have decided to go with these Weinert ones. They're brass and dear but quite good. Most of the other options I had tried were a but flimsy or didn't really fulfil their purpose well. I'll go with these ones I think.



This shows the trackplan and where I am up to so far. Still have to joing up some of these points as I'm out of flexi track.



To the top left will be a service yard for coaling, sand water etc. This is the space I have for it. Not sure how many points I'll need but will get a few as it's always loco storage.



Still juggling buildings and looking for the best arrangement. I've settled on a big square after the main gate and before the cathedral.



This bit on front of the main gate is causing me the most grief as it's an odd shape, triangular because the tracks are branching out up towards the station building. What I've got at the moment is the backs of the buildings facing the tracks and the fronts looking towards the main gate. Having discussed this with David who's been in this region recently I've now come up with some new ideas which I can work on.



I'll keep at it and see where it ends up. Overall view here showing how it looks looking east.



So just waiting to get some flexi track to close the gaps between the points and create more storage space. Need more points to expand the service yard and add more lines to the station and do the rear shuttle lines. I also need to get onto the backdrops as they will need to go in next so plenty to do.

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This part is the bit I'd been dreading most of the entire layout. The issue is that I needed two shuttle lines right at the back of the layout next to the backboards, and, I needed to install the backboards after I had installed a fair bit of track. I had a fair idea of how I was going to do this and had spent a fair bit of time thinking about it so off I went to Bunnings (local equivelant of Homebase or MFI) to get all the materials.

First part was to assemble the backboards. There were to be two of these which would interlock in the middle to provide a town backscene appropriate for a Bavarian town scene. I'd have liked a city scene but you have to work with what's available, and Rottenburg was available, so I took two of those put together. First up the one that would go in the back right corner. Here's the basic boards;



..and here it is again with the backdrop pictures applied;



Yep the corner looks a bit messy but there's a plan to sort that. It'll all get sorted by the time this gets finished. Next up is the straight section which will go to the back left. This was easier to make;



So far so good. Yep it's the same picture twice but there will be sufficient other items in front to prevent this becoming immediately obvious. Next thing now is to start on the shuttle lines. Due to the innaccessability of this area everything will have to be created, installed, laid, weathered, sceniced etc before instalation. These sections will have to be lifted in their entirity across a metre or so of track. Yep, it would have been a good idea to do this first before installing all the track, but this is real life and things don't work like that in real life. So I have now transported both backdrops through to the train room for further work. This is the left backdrop with attached base for shuttle lines as brought in from the garage/ workshop.



From here it gets track laid and wiring done, ballasted, a bit of weathering and integrated into the back scene. Once this is done I raise it to eye level to finalise things before the big lift;



Ok I have now laid the last two pieces of track to the right and the curved base and track section to the left. Now all installed and ready to go. Cables have all been labled for future wiring.



This needed to people to lift clear across the other track section to the rear. The plan was to position the rear left part first. Once in position the rear right part would slide into a slot which would hold the two backdrops together. I did this initially and guess what: it was an inch too long. I had to remove the rear right backdrop and take an inch off it. That was fun!



This picture shows the two backdrop sections fixed together. Rubbish lighting I'm afraid however that wasn't my priority at the time. I've glued the two sections together and held the top part with a vice. Parts of the base have been screwed into the baseboards to keep the structure solid. You will note that this backdrop pretty much blocks out most light from the window. That's intentional. Sunlight here is strong and will bleach colour and melt plastic. I don't want any of those expensive models wilting in the summer sun. The window goes down to the floor in any event and will allow some light through the bottom part.

This is the join where the two back drops meet. I've used a tree to conceal the join however the sky doesn't match. Bit unfortunate but may be resolved by airbrushing at some future point.





This is lengthways view from the right. The trees integrate reasonably well into the backdrop.





View from the left now. Overlap joins more visible from this angle. I'll fix these up when mixing more wallpaper paste for the next batch of backdrops.



Overall view of the entire backdrop. Looks ok from a distance. I intend to have different backdrops all the way around the layout. I think a decent backdrop makes a big difference.



The plan from here is tidying up what I have done, scenic the back part and get the shuttle line operational. I have plenty new track and some more points and motors to instal so that'll keep me busy. I've got more building kits on the way so I can fill up the city area to the right. I'll add a further country backdrop to the left and forest over the join in the corner, then finish up the end of the shuttle line. Still deciding whether to have it go straight or to curve towards the operating area which may be more convenient for taking off and putting on stock.

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I've been focussing on my track and trying to get it all laid. I got another three points and motors which I've installed down the front of the layout. These were intended for the service yard but the points were far too big for the area I have so I used them for more express train platform access. I have also installed the point switching kits included with the points.

I've stained the track and painted the rails on all the track. This was fairly time consuming but it's all done now. I'll hold off on ballasting until I've done some more running to check it's all ok, installed platforms and signals and done other related stuff. So here's the pictures. Starting from the right hand side view.





Now over to the left hand side.





This section at the front is the most recent addition.





Some closer shots.









Bit of an over view. The white stuff is to get painted and will be cable conduit.





A few things were waiting on me installing another backdrop to the left hand side of the station area. I did this the other day so this has opened up a whole load of things I can be doing. First up was to finish off the shuttle lines.
I've extended the raised shuttle lines round the back so that they are a decent length now. I've also wired them up so should probably get round to testing them out before ballasting. The other thing I will do before ballasting is scenicing them into the layout so that the ballast won't drop off the edges. As it currently stands the lines are sitting on a plank. What I need to do now is to add countryside to this.



Yesterday a very large box arrived from Germany which had loads of buildings, buffers, walling and an ESU BR215, so well pleased to see that. The day before a smaller one arrived from Orient Express in Adelaide which had Viessmann signals and some more Tillig points. Unfortunately I didn't think to order the point motors so that was a bit of an oversight. Orient Express were nice enough to include a printed sheet with lots of information on signals and the correct positioning so that's a big help. I'd done a bit of research on the net but this is quite handy. The Viessmann signals look great but are pricey and I need quite a lot. I don't see my layout getting populated with signals in a hurry!

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About the time of my last entry I got a whole load of kits to build to build up my town scene which will occupy the north east corner of the layout. I got a few other items too so this entry should hopefully be more visually stimulating than the last entry's track fest. The plan is to have several layers of buildings to this to give the impression of a big city's old quarter. This will be bound by two main roads which will merge round about where the station starts and run along behind the station with the main road eventually disappearing under the tunnel at the west end.

Before I got started on the building area the key thing was to start at the back and work forward. There was a problem with the backdrop due to the way I had fixed the panels together. I had used screws to fix the sheets of hardboard. I later found out that pva would be sufficient to hold them and now can do a seamless join. However, this was my first attempt and the backdrops were already in place therefore I needed something to obscure the screws sticking through the backdrop picture.
Previously I had used trees to hide errors so I decided to do the same here. I just needed a bigger tree. So here it is; twig from the backyard with sea moss branches.



The next step was to establish where the buildings would go. I have been shuffling these around for months but having now completed the new kits have come up with a configuration that I'm fairly happy with.





I still have some thinking about what to do with the town wall but other than that this should be fine. I've ordered a few more kits of half timbered buildings to add in round the main square. I'll use the church and Rathaus as centrepiece buildings.



I finished painting and weathering the Wienert buffers so they are all ready to go in. Will weather these a bit further when they are in place.





I also got some brick work to use as walls for the sides of the raised shuttle lines. These are off the shelf and ready to plonk but with a bit of weathering look the part.



I have moved the station to this side of the tracks as there just isn't room on the other side and it looks wrong.



This is a view of the first layer of buildings. You can see the tree I made earlier at the back.





This has been a bit experimental in that I am using polyfilla for the roads and thought I'd use this area as a test to see if it worked ok. The other thing is that access is a bit limited here so I am putting the buildings onto thin MDF sheets so I can remove entire blocks for maintenance or modification if need be.



I have elected to use Bavarian flags rather than nazi flags. It will primarily be epoch 2 but will also be epoch 1 a lot of the time too. And, put simply, there's no way I'm having lots of nazi flags round my layout so Bavaria it is.
I still need to source appropriate street lighting etc but will add these items as funds become available.





I'm trying to source more 1930's posters and shop front signs to change over the ones that came in some of the kits. I'm having to modify some of the older kits that I have as, when I built them, my attention to detail wasn't the same as now. Also having got glasses last year I can now focus on detail again. Most of what's seen in these pictures will be hidden behind the town walls and rarely seen but I still think it's important that it looks ok for those rare occasions when it is seen. So from here I can complete the city square and roads and tie up this end of the layout. The next bit will be the service yards at the other end. So there's a plan. Hopefully it will all work as intended.



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This entry follows on from the previous one in the main. I installed the walling along the side of the shuttle lines. While this is off the shelf stuff it is quite good and looks ok. I've cut it to shape where required and applied various washes for effect.

I've also extended the road down the length of most of the wall.





This is one end of the shuttle line. I've finished off ballasting and installed some of the Wienert buffer stops. Bit of a goods terminus. Needs tidied up still.







I've also created roads which bisect the old town square. I'm not sure about road markings from this period so further research is required.



I added more trees to the area where the big one was installed so it isn't so obvious.

I created more flags and banners for the central square.





I've done a small isolated section as a test to see what I need to look out for in the main square. The main thing seems to be the gap between the buildings and the ground. I'm using polyfilla to close this and then weather it in.



I installed the old city wall and started weathering it in.



The square is now more of a, well - it actually is, a triangle. The church and town hall will sit in these positions. I've positioned the Trix maypole temporarily so you can see where I intend putting it. It's temporary so I can move it if it's not suitable. If anyone is aware of someone offering brass etchings to add to this please let me know. This is how it looks now.









These two buildings still have to be weathered in to the square.



I've had another batch of kits arrive to finish off this area. I still need street "furniture' like lights etc but will buy and install these as funds arise.

This is how it looks now from a couple of different perspectives.









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There's not an awful lot to show this time around. I have been doing things but they're probably not all that noticeable. I had new lights installed in the roof which has really brightened the room up no end. Makes things a lot better to see and photograph although I'm starting to notice some pictures washed out if I photograph too close to the light. I tend to have the blinds down all the time here as the railway room is north facing and the sun is very strong here. It could easily melt my stock that's stored below in boxes.



Also finished my shuttle lines and they're fully operational now. Still cleaning them up a bit as they got a bit messy in some parts due to painting and plastering behind.



I had made a start on the wooded corner section but seasonal change has had an impact on this. I have done the plastering and a rough coat of paint to seal it but the weather then got quite cold so it won't dry quite as quickly, or worst case scenario; not at all, when I grassmaster it. I'll probably just jack up the heating for a bit to sort that out.



While I'm down this end of the layout here's a couple of pictures of how things look from down here at the moment. Once the corner is forested I can get to work on this part. The stone wall will continue round and merge into tunnels.







The most visible part is adding lots of window boxes with flowers to brighten the place up a bit. MiniNature do a great line in the flowers so a few different colours and a chopped up piece of walnut strip for the boxes and off we go. Did some touch ups of older buildings, repainted them and weathered them.



I made the maypole that was mentioned previously. I used the Trix one along with parts from a Noch one to make the one shown.



I planted the Bavarian flag banners too. I'll need to make more of these.





Added a few more buildings too. Fountain and a public WC.







I'm painting some Prieser people for inside coaches as well. Bit cheaper than the ready painted ones.



Thinking to the future now I may add more building to this section at the front so that I have the trains travelling through city effect. I'll need another city back drop so that will be the third of the same backdrop I will use but I don't see any better alternatives. Here's some shots to finish with.












A couple of cameos to conclude with.




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I decided I had to do something about the top left, or north west corner of the layout. Once I get this part finished I can then complete the trackwork for the service yards. To this end I carried on from where I left off before. I had got as far as plastering the area and applying a coat of paint to seal it.



Next I used the grassmaster on it to get it to look like this.



Some small bushes and plants and finally trees.



Next step was ballasting the track on the raised shuttle line.



I added a bit of pavement at the base of where the retaining walls will sit.



Then added the retaining walls to continue on from the previous installation.



I then put in paving for this side of the road. Once this was done I then definitely knew how much space I had for maintenance yards.





I then installed more points and track to get this.



A view from a different angle. This is where the station building will sit.



Sort of an aerial view to show how it all sits plan wise on the western side of the layout.




On the other side I added a further point to conclude my track laying for this side of the layout.





Down this side I also added some new baseboards to build up this end.



I need to get a further backdrop for this end before going wild with more buildings. I had my eye on the Faller Nuremberg fire station but availability and cost are issues. I could make something I suppose. Plenty of time to think further about what I'm going to put in here later though. I have lots of tidying up to do now. Here's some shots of the layout to give an overview of where I'm up to.







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That's it pretty much up to date. Hope that's of interest.

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One word... WOW !

You must be pleased with the new space, I mean 'dedicated train room' ! Looks like the ball is really rolling now on the layout. Looking foward to more updates. I think this needs to be a complete new thread, rather than a continuation of the previous layout.

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Neil Wood wrote:  If a mod looks in maybe the title of this thread could be changed to Bavarian layout as it's more appropriate for what I'm doing now.
Done, mate.  Glad to hear from you again.

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It looks great, Neil.  You're doing a nice job of it - as usual.  :thumbs

I look forward to catching up next time I'm in Melbourne.

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Neil Wood wrote:  If a mod looks in maybe the title of this thread could be changed to Bavarian layout as it's more appropriate for what I'm doing now.
Done, mate.  Glad to hear from you again.


Thanks mate, nice to hear from you too. Give me a shout next time you're over this way.

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Gary wrote:
One word... WOW !

You must be pleased with the new space, I mean 'dedicated train room' ! Looks like the ball is really rolling now on the layout. Looking foward to more updates. I think this needs to be a complete new thread, rather than a continuation of the previous layout.

Cheers, Gary.


Thanks Gary,

I wasn't sure whether to do a completely new thread or not so I'm easy if the mods want to do that. I noticed that I'd mentioned the new place so thought I'd just continue on from there.

Updates should be more frequent. I went through a couple of year period where I didn't do much at all but am now feeling quite inspired and doing a fair bit of work on the layout.

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In a word Neil. STUNNING.:doublethumb

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Spurno wrote: In a word Neil. STUNNING.:doublethumb
Thanks Spurno.
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always followed your last layout, now looking forward to the same with this one, brill,,,
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always followed your last layout, now looking forward to the same with this one, brill,,,
:thumbs;-):cool:


Thanks mate. It's a bit different from the previous one I know but should still be interesting.

I'm trying to get my head round German signalling before the next step. It seems a bit complicated so a bit of research is required.

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Was trying to post a youtube clip but didn't seem to work. I'll have to try to figure it out later.

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Hi Neil,

I am pleased to see that you are back and posting details of your new layout. It looks amazing and very different from the normally grimy city scenes that we see on British themed layouts.

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Novice wrote: Hi Neil,

I am pleased to see that you are back and posting details of your new layout. It looks amazing and very different from the normally grimy city scenes that we see on British themed layouts.

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Hi Bob,
thanks for the kind words.  Yep, I gave UK modelling a break for that reason.  I'm keeping my stock as I may do another layout in the future though.
I have now noticed a insert you tube button so here's a couple of clips of the layout.
Cheers
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Hi Neil

Looks good.

I always tend to forget continental and American railways 'drive on the other side of the road'.


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Wow Neil the layout looks like something else! (In a good way :) ) Where did you get the tank wagon thing? and are all your locos DCC sound? And your building are beautiful!!!! (Did you make them?)

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Wow Neil the layout looks like something else! (In a good way :) ) Where did you get the tank wagon thing? and are all your locos DCC sound? And your building are beautiful!!!! (Did you make them?)


Thanks Ed,

Hi Darius,
It's all DCC sound, some have dynamic smoke and other features like raising and lowering pantographs, opening closing doors too.

The tank wagon thing, umm the flak wagons are lilliput and the rail gun is Rivarossi.

I made some of the buildings and some are kits. Germany has a far bigger range of kits than we have for UK modelling so lots of choice.

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Thanks for the info Neil, (the buildings) I meant the railgun :). And i was also wondering what type of loco this was: http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j177/neil_s_wood/IMG_3160.jpg

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Hi Darius,
the railgun is Rivarossi.  It's an Italian firm bought over by Hornby along with Lima.
The large streamliner is a Br06 made by Brawa.  It was the largest German Steam loco.  You can see it here in green and black livery. http://www.brawa.de/en/products/h0/locomotives/steam-locomotives.html
Brawa make some really good, if somewhat pricey, locos.
Cheers
Neil

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Time for a bit of an update on what's been happening on the layout.  First up I had to extend the backdrop as it petered out in the middle of a street.  The only option was the same backdrop I used before but I joined it up on the second sheet as the colour on the first was too light and there was a very obvious join.  This doesn't look too bad.  Merges fairly well.  This concludes the backdrops for the Bavarian layout as it is now wrapped all around.  Track laying was concluded a couple of entries ago so now getting to the station area.

This picture taken from the net continues the street fairly well but the top of a couple of buildings has been lopped off in the picture.  Bit if a shame as it would good otherwise.  Trying to think of a way of hiding this.  Probably a big tree would be best.  I'll use this brick coloured wall to separate the tracks from the street but will have to decide what I'm doing first before cutting to size.

Because I had set the previous backdrops at 10cm height I was committed to doing this with the rest.  I've been able to hide this behind buildings and raised railway lines elsewhere but the lack of space between the railway line and the wall prevents me using anything three dimensional here.  I'm thinking brickwork or foliage as the best way of hiding it.  I added a new building here too.  I'll probably add another street of four storey buildings to add a bit more depth.

Being carrying on with painting my Preiser figures.  Still have a lot more to go though.  Added a couple to one of the flak wagens.  I'll get more of these as it finishes it quite well.

I started adding grass around the edges of the station and a wall.  This continues all the way round.  I used the Noch grassmaster as it gives best results for a large area.  I can probably start ballasting soon as it all seems to operate well.  I just have to get positions for the signals and platform installed.