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I have finally decided to call the layout Pen y Bryn, so i've collected the pictures from various posts of mine and included them here.

They show shots of the layout from around ten years ago and also recent pictures where i've added a lot more detail, hopefully you should see a difference with the pit and loco shed scenes.:roll:

 

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First-class attention to detail there, I have enjoyed studying the pictures, thanks for posting :thumbs:thumbs

 

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Thanks Doug, the pit scene is a long way from being finished...one day:lol:

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Good idea Phill and great pictures. To make things a little easier on the viewer I have edited your post and put 3 or 4 returns between each picture.

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"First-class attention to detail there, I have enjoyed studying the pictures"
Me too.

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A truly stunning layout Phil. :thumbs

As Doug said, the attention to detail is remarkable.  Many of those shots could quite easily have been passed off as photos of the real thing and nobody would have been any the wiser. :pathead

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I guess trying to make it look real is the main problem, sometimes it works better than others.

 

I quite like cheating now and again though, with those Photoshop shots, it's a bit of fun really, I expect you noticed me in the loco shed picture and my son carrying the red can :lol:

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Phil.c wrote: I guess trying to make it look real is the main problem, sometimes it works better than others.

 

I quite like cheating now and again though, with those Photoshop shots, it's a bit of fun really, I expect you noticed me in the loco shed picture and my son carrying the red can :lol:

In the B & W shot?

Brilliant stuff altogether really!:thumbs

Fantastic work.
Shaun.

(How 'South' are you, Phil?)

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Yes Shaun, the B&W shot.

 

I'm about 5 miles SE of Merthyr, 15 miles North of Caerphilly.

 

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There's a whole lot of Photos of the Month in this thread !

Very, very nice, and looks fun to operate too.

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I've not had chance to operate it yet :roll: 

 

After getting back to it after 10 years, I re-wired it and bought a DCC unit, I've also added sound loco chips.

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I'm about 5 miles SE of Merthyr, 15 miles North of Caerphilly.
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Pity you aren't further West - it's a bit lonely over here!
I think there are only three of us in Pembs/Carms/Ceridigion.

Never mind. We have the forum...

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Call in next time you're passing;-)

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Hi All,

 

I've not been able to do much with the layout lately due to various commitments.

 

My wife has just gone to my sons in Nottingham until Saturday so hopefully i'll be able to do some more detailing, well that's the plan :lol:

 

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Look forward to seeing more, Phil.

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Probably the foreground area in picture five will be the next job.

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Really enjoyed seeing your layout again Phill. Hope the wife enjoys her trip to Nottingham,

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Thanks Ian, there's lots to do but very little time, if only I did'nt need to work, I could get so much more done :lol:

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Hi Phil,

Your photography is as good as the layout ! Nice shots of a beautifully detailed layout. I especially like shots, 6 (signal box), 11 (goods shed/yard), 16 (under bridge), 24 (smokey engine sheds/yard) and 25 (side of engine shed close-up).
Very, very nice !

Cheers, Gary.

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Beautiful, not saying the bar is high, but i'm almost 6ft tall, and if I took up limbo dancing, I wouldn't have to bend.
Trying to work out which is the red bucket in the B&W photo :lol:

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I tell you Paul, it took some doing, painting everything in black and white just for the picture, and then painting everything back to as it was :lol:

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Hi All,

Here's my efforts so far with detailing this area.

 

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There's not a lot one can say about that Phil - it's just amazing .........:shock::shock:

It must be all those years of engraving that gives you the "eye" for the detail.  Absolutely mind blowing. :pathead:pathead

I'm going to spend some time studying it in detail then come back with the questions..................:cheers

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Don't make them too hard Peter :lol::lol::lol:

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Here's another one I forgot to put in, have you figured out what the lorry load is yet :lol:

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I take my hat off to you Phil.

That really is modelling at its absolute best with superb attention to detail. :doublethumb

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It really is excellent, Phil.   :thumbs

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You know, it really does mean a lot when guys like you make comments like that, thanks;-)

 

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Terrific work Phil - I couldn't hope to achieve that standard of detail. Hat's off to you!

Couple of questions:
Corrugated iron - Slaters?
And the road surface under the lorry. How did you do that?

Regards,
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Thanks Shaun,

 

I can't remember the make of the corrigated sheets, I think they are Slaters, they come in about A4 size.

 

The area under the lorry, it looks like cracked concrete and it also looks difficult to do convincingly....not so, in fact the base is chipboard, this is the area where I did all my cutting, ie. plastic sheet etc, and it's just the knife marks left from this and painted grey.

 

Has anyone guessed what the lorry load is yet!

 

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Hi Phil

I too enjoyed the pictures, some lovely modelling there with great attention to detail - super stuff well done.

Very very nice indeed.

 

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Do you mean what it's made from Phil or wht it's a model of ?

If the latter, some kind of mining machinery, if the former, the front bit looks like a bit of plastic sprue (judging from the little "blip" in the middle and is the rear bit a "rectangular tank" from one of the Dapol offerings ?

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Forget the "rectangular tank" Phil - having looked again, it's far too small .............

The front bit looks like either a generator or winch of some kind - it's an engine given the silencer on the side and the rear bit is probably a fuel tank to run it ...........

Looking back to the previous shots - what are the windows ?  They look very "3D" so are they etched or plastic stuctures ?  Also, I'm assuming the stone wall (for the overbridge enbankment) is embossed plastic - it look great - but what's the black "hole" at the top just above the lean-to shed ?  Slate rooves - card ? plastic? or what.  Did you just pick out the "new" slates ?

Loads and loads of little details in there - fabulous stuff. :pathead:pathead:pathead

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Thanks Ron.

 

Peter, that area is just the chipboard baseboard for the model, I painted over the scratches/cuts etc and to me it now looks like cracked concrete.

 

The front item of the load is the (I don't know what it's really called) electrical component taken from a Bachmann loco when converting it to DCC, the back item is the diecast firebox unit from another loco.

 

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Clever stuff - I see the capacitor now you've pointed it out.  Waste not, want not eh. ;-)

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Wills, I think windows, slates (individual ones picked out) and embosed wall, small packs, about 4" x 3" sorry to be so vague but i'm working in my studio in the loft and my layout over the garage.

Can't see a black hole? can you ring it?

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It should be called, Pen Y Bryll.  I was most impressed with the treatment you gave to the little people as well.

Details.  :thumbs

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Sorry Phil - I don't know how to ring it !!!  It's just to the left of the yellow chimney pot and below the parapet on this shot:





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Are you sure you didn't sneeze on your monitor, Peter?  :shock:

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:oops::oops::oops::oops:

We have a very slow connection speed here- when I looked, they hadn't grown .......................:roll::roll::roll:

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I cheated Peter...Growmore was added between posts:lol:

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i knew it wasn't me ............;-)

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This area is still to be detailed.

 



 



 



 



 


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Realism taken to new heights, brilliant Phil, especially the first one.

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I'm impressed!

Simply Fantsatic!

How in the world did you even get the camera down in there?

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I am lost for words :mrgreen:
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Well observed and superbly executed modelling. I take my hat off to you Phil.

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How in the world did you even get the camera down in there?

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It would have been easy with a small camera, you know the compact ones, I have a 12mp but I didn't want to use it because it has a small lens so I used my Canon 40 D with a 28 x 70 lens, it just squashed into the area but focusing etc was difficult.

I've just realized that there's a cup in the background of picture 1 :shock:

It's got to be a Photoshop job me thinks, I'm not going through that camera stuff again :roll:

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That's better, no cup or red tube of glue :lol:

 


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From a different angle, all this area needs detailing :shock:

 



 



 



 



 


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I really like your weathering Phil, maybe some day you can explain how you do it? What really caught my eye is the blending and how smooth it looks.

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Superb layout and modelling Phil :doublethumb

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Wayne, the trick is to use a limited palette and spread the colours throughout the scene and with no abrupt changes.

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Tremendous modelling in every respect; well done.

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Phil.c wrote:
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No abrupt changes, yep, that's my problem!

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Ride with the tide and go with the flow :lol:

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What a difference a backscene makes...a Christmas present to myself :lol:

About 28' in total, a bit of a nightmare to install though especially with the sloping cieling and having to lean over everything with the wide part.

 

Pictures 3 and 7 were Photoshopped in the corner.

 

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You're right Phil - the backscene makes a huge difference.

The layout was fantastic BEFORE you added the backscene - now you've taken it into a whole new dimension.

This picture is a stunner.  The white house, caught by the sunlight, stands out beautifully from the dark hill where presumably, a storm is brewing.  How many times has a scene like this been used in "art books" to define contrast.  An iconic scene brilliantly captured. :cheers:cheers:cheers

I think most of us can simply ditch our efforts and watch the likes of you whilst we imagine it's us doing it .............:roll::roll::roll:

Forgot to ask - what are the backscenes ?



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Thank you Peter, appreciated!

The backscenes are ID, they are excellent, they come as two 5' lengths per scene, it's possible to much up some of them to make a long scene, they're on thick paper too IMO well worth the price.

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They are indeed very good backgrounds, perfectly matched by a very natural looking foreground. Great modelling and photography Phil. As a matter of interest are the backgrounds permanently installed. Or have I missed something somewhere.

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They are now permanently installed Robert, I wish though that they were available before the scenery was started, but I am talking about a long time ago!

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I'm not normally a big fan of backs cenes, Phil - but they are superb.  :thumbs

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Once again, great pics !

For those looking for ID backscenes, here is where I bought mine from : http://pufferwillies.co.uk/uk2ecommerce/department/i_d_backscenes/

As Phil said, they are well worth the price.

Cheers, Gary.

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... but it's your photography/lighting that brings them to life, Gary.

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The first two pictures were taken with natural light which is the best, this was from roof windows, the rest were with two 500w photo floods placed together.

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Fantastic modelling Gary.   Are you using the 9" or 15" backscenes?

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15" Terry.

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What can anyone do but admire Phil. Stunning, absolutely, especially the black and white picture.

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Wow Phil. :shock::shock::shock:

As Bob says, absolutely stunning.  They really could be shots of the real thing.  You must be chuffed to bits with them. :pathead:pathead

Where did you get the smoke on the Prairie (?) in the last B/W shot ?  I'm not usually a huge fan of "shopped" photos but that one looks extremely realistic.

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Peter the smoke came from a 4MT in "Heritage Railways of the British Isles" but I would have used whatever looked good. There was'nt a lot of time spent on PSing that picture, I admit it could be better but again, everything takes time :roll:

It always amazes me the difference between viewing from a standing position and ground level, from almost toy-like to realistic.

Here's the original.

 

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Hi Phil
I have just come across this thread and have just been gobsmacked at the wealth of detail included and your eye for getting everything to look natural.
Many thanks for posting and please keep on doing so !
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Thanks Ray, for the very nice comments. There is still a lot to do with this layout, the station for example, at the moment only the platforms exist, I haven't even thought about what buildings to create.

There are also a few area's that could be added to, to the right of this picture for one. This was a quick snap with a pocket camera so the depth of field is not as it should be.

 

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I'd say everything to the right of that shot is perfect Phil - I'd be chuffed to bits if it were a part of my layout.

If it needs "seeing to" it will be really interesting to see what you add.  The difference between an ordinary guy and a Master eh !!!!

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Actually Peter, it's the area behind the storage building which is on the right, I don't have a picture of this part but you can see it from my layout plan.

 

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To say I was impressed with the standard of your modeling and backscene would be a great understatement. It's outstanding. You must be very proud of the layout.

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Hi Barney, it is coming along quite nicely, but my motto is, never be totally satisfied because when you are it's time to pack it all in :lol: The next scene has got to be better than the last ;-)

 

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 The next scene has got to be better than the last ;-)Phil



Then am I ever glad I'm just stating out! :roll: ;-) :lol:

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Gary wrote: Once again, great pics !

For those looking for ID backscenes, here is where I bought mine from : http://pufferwillies.co.uk/uk2ecommerce/department/i_d_backscenes/

As Phil said, they are well worth the price.

Cheers, Gary.

Link bookmarked with many many thanks !!!

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Hi Wayne, it's nice to see guys from the USA on the forum and I wish you well with your layout, I posted my layout on a USA forum a few weeks ago (Trainboard) ......I got one reply:roll:

 

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[quoteI posted my layout on a USA forum a few weeks ago (Trainboard) ......I got one reply:roll:Phil


Phil, I have never been on another forum, only this one. I have heard that about other forums before though. I really like this one, no one shuns you or puts you down. After all, we are all learning this hobby, though from the looks of your pictures you are leaps and bounds above me. Your photos look so life like, it's really amazing.

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Here's an area that needs a lot of work, I have'nt decided on what station buildings to create yet and also what to do with the areas either side. The backs of terraced houses is an idea but there's not much room because of the ceiling angle.

 

I've also chucked in a few extra pics.

 



 

 



 

 



 

 



 

 



 

 



 



 



 

 



 

 

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I think I have just been looking at some of the best pictures we have had so far on the forum. Many congratulations on your skill as both a modeller and a photographer Phil.

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Robert wrote: I think I have just been looking at some of the best pictures we have had so far on the forum. Many congratulations on your skill as both a modeller and a photographer Phil.
In total agreeance with you on that one Robert.

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Fine work.

Perhaps the ceiling angle is sometimes an advantage in photographs - cuts out shadows and glare.

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To be honest, I would rather there not be an angled ceiling as it restrics modelling.

 

As for the pictures, I am far from being anywhere near a professional but this is what i've found.

 

A camera which has manual focusing and adjustable settings ie f stops and shutter spead and a tripod and also good lighting is good to have.

 

One of the key points is the composition, this is what makes the picture, combined with the light and shadows.

 

Most pictures need correcting, programs such as Photoshop are excellent for this where colour balance, levels and sharpness can be adjusted, also desaturation as the colours in some picture are too strong and un-natural.

 

I see some pictures posted which look good but with some extra tweeking could look great.

 

Just my two penceworth:lol:

 

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nice pics....WOW :shock:

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Thanks guys!

What always gets me is, looking at these layouts at standing height they look good, but dropping down to the picture level, all of a sudden we are in the scene and it's real....it might also be a nostalgic thing too, remembering those early times when I used to visit the guys down the bottom of my street in the signal box!

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The last one is interesting, it's a Photoshop'd watercolour.

 

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Another layout that just has so much atmosphere.........:thumbs
The scenic work is fantastic and looks so natural.....
I love the picture Sol pointed out too (the one shot from behind the goods shed).....

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Planning permission has been passed for the factory area and the first building construction has started, no idea what's going next to it yet, but that overscaled balast has got to come up!

 

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I am sure that this will turn out to be another wonderfully detailed scene, Phil, when you have finished it. You have already included as much as I usually manage to get around to adding.

By the way, thanks for sharing your experience with the International Models backscene. Having seen (no pun intended) yours, I ordered one myself and am very pleased with it.

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S'lovely!  :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs:thumbs
Not often you get a view up the rear of a train [Oo-er, 'Does my coupling look big in this, dear?'
[where's the brake-van/lamp, is he going to set back on the other line?]


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It blends right into the backscene.... 



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Stunning!  It's right up there, this layout - and the photos . . .  :doublethumb

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S'lovely!  :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs:thumbs
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[where's the brake-van/lamp, is he going to set back on the other line?]


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Doug, hell do whatever you want him to :lol:

 

Thanks Martyn, hopefully that was the idea. :lol:

 

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Geoff R wrote: I am sure that this will turn out to be another wonderfully detailed scene, Phil, when you have finished it. You have already included as much as I usually manage to get around to adding.

By the way, thanks for sharing your experience with the International Models backscene. Having seen (no pun intended) yours, I ordered one myself and am very pleased with it.



.....Yup...look at the fallen down end of the wall in the picture above, I'm sure I can see a snail under the third stone from the right...:)

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A bit more done!

 



 

 



 

 


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The painters have started, left factory roof, grey, main building, thick water based paint straight onto card giving a textured appearence, also brick pointing wash on right factory.

 

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It's starting to come together.

 

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Damn! That's quick...and very good!

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P.S. How did the 'roof-man' get up there? Has some bounder pinched his ladder?  :0
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It might seem quick Doug but there are a few hours in it :shock:

I don't think the man on the ladder is used to it as he seems to be holding on for his life ...got to get that other ladder in place soon :lol:

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I'm coming to the end of my superlatives here, Phil. Marvelous.  :thumbs

What is interesting when you see this era captured is the stark difference in health and safety attitudes in those times.  No hi-viz gear, no safety harness . . .

Well done.

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Max, I think health and safety is a good thing as long as it isn't taken too far, When I Had a "proper" job :lol::lol::lol: I remember doing all sorts of things, some that I wouldn't do now though :shock: I think a lot of it is being younger and not seeing the danger :lol:

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The factories are nearly done, i've dug up the over scale balast, re-balasted and the weathering goes on tonight so some finished pics later I hope.

 

The station needs to be started, in the area below, i'm thinking of a nice GWR period piece with character, brick or stone, has anyone any suggestions, pictures and a plan would be good :lol:

 

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Just a bit of news I thought i'd share with you all, British Railway Modeling and Model Rail Magazine will be featuring Pen y Bryn later on in the year. Chris Nevard will be taking the photographs for M.R. I will be taking them for BRM which will be an eight page spread....I think I need to tidy it up somewhat :shock:

 

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Great news Phil. Chris is still a member of this forum by the way and his work is shown on several of our pages.

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Robert wrote: Great news Phil. Chris is still a member of this forum by the way and his work is shown on several of our pages.

Thanks Robert, I hope it will do the mags justice!

 

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Thanks Martin, see....i'm not just a pretty face :lol:

 

I've checked it out and will leave a reply when i'm accepted as a member.

 

Knowing that your layout is going to be featured makes you look at it in a different way, i'm finding lots of things to do to make it more acceptable, i've spent most of today just working on the area in front of the tunnel. Adding foliage, trees and generally making it look better :roll: I've rummaged through old boxes of stuff that I haven't looked at for ten years, found some etched point levers, three link screw couplings, signal kits (made one which has gone next the the signal box) ground signals, etc. etc. and that's the simple part of the layout!

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I've just been catching up with developments here Phil and I have to say, WOW !!!

Great news about the publicity but it's good to know "we saw it first" on here. :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs

The transformation of the factory from pristine plastic to finished article is something to behold.  A brilliant job.  Each little scene has so much to offer.  Nothing we didn't know was there but things we'd have missed out if we were doing it ourselves - regardless of the quality of our finished work compared with yours.

I'm sure I've said before that it's the attention to detail that moves a model railway into being a miniature version of the real thing.  Pen y Bryn is a layout that has, without any doubt, successfully made that move.

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Thanks Peter your kind words are appreciated!

 

These new pics were taken with my new light setup, I'm still experimenting with it, 2x 7 bulb sets, total of the equivellent of 5000w, here's the link.

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That tree is superb Phil. :thumbs:thumbs

What did it start out as and how did you make it look so brilliant ?

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It started out as a hydrangea flower minus the petals, Polyfilla was added to the trunk which was then painted. Woodland Scenics was stretched over the branches and then WS's foliage. Hair spray was used as adhesive. As it was, the tree was not big enough and not quite the right shape so copper wire was pushed into the centre to create an over hang and all of the above was added again.

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Great looking layout Phil, the way you've blended the scenery in is superb, good job on the large tree too, nice touch with the tin shed as well. I strive to reach that level of modeling. Keep up the excellent work Phil.

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Cracking work Phil - as usual!

By-the-by, you ought to show members on here your shotgun engraving - it deserves a wider audience...

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Phil.c wrote: Peter,

It started out as a hydrangea flower minus the petals, Polyfilla was added to the trunk which was then painted. Woodland Scenics was stretched over the branches and then WS's foliage. Hair spray was used as adhesive. As it was, the tree was not big enough and not quite the right shape so copper wire was pushed into the centre to create an over hang and all of the above was added again.

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Wow Phil, what a journey. :shock::shock:

No wonder it looks so good - a real "specimen" tree.  Hard work but very well worth all the effort. :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs

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Just when you think that layout can't get any better.... Nice work Phil and congrats on the magazine features.

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Cracking work Phil - as usual!

By-the-by, you ought to show members on here your shotgun engraving - it deserves a wider audience...

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Thanks Shaun, and for those interested here's my day job stuff :lol:

 

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Wow Phil !!  I knew you were an engraver but didn't realise you did shotguns.  Incredible stuff.

Did those all start as "plain" guns or did the manufacturer give you something to work on ?

I also notice they're cheap guns !!!  :lol::lol::lol::lol:;-)

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Hi Peter, these cheap guns :lol: come to me in the white, ie polished steel, I do all the design etc. Sometimes I have to work with the customer but more normal is for them to suggest the scroll they like and also the birds etc. Most of my guns are for collectors and are not fired, some go straight into safes/lockups. They take various times to engrave, from a couple of months to around a year.

 

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It's many years since I did any shooting Phil and mine - A French Darne, 12 bore "mouse-head" action handed down by my Father, was ready engraved, presumably by Darne themselves.  As a result, I'm well out of date with the "Shooting Times" but are these commissions via Hollands (or Purdy), or do they come direct by word-of-mouth ?  I'd guess it's a very specialised market and I wonder how they found a guy in Wales via the London gunsmiths .......:roll::roll:

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I've been engraving for all the big boys for thirty years with lots of exhibition work magazine articles and features in books etc and many well known customers so I guess people know who I am :lol:

 

The commissions come usually from the customer and also from the gunmakers.

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Here's another area i've just worked on, the literaly twenty year trees needed a makeover as the middle one especially was looking a bit tired and thin, pic 1.

Pic 2, some stiff wire was pushed through to make a larger framework.

 

Pic 3, Woodlans Scenic's light green foliage was added with PVA glue to fill the areas out.

 

Pic 4, air laquer was sprayed on then medium green turf and then burnt turf was added, and sprayed lightly to hold. 

 

Pic 5, dark green turf was added to the left tree and light green the the right one.

 

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What a transformation Phil. :shock:

It's an amazing change from those ugly heavy wires to the finished article.

It looks as if you did it all in situ .........:roll::roll:  How do you clean up the mess and do you re-use the surplus ?  If so, what do you use as a vacuum so you can retrieve the stuff ?  Mine usually ends up in a big bag with 7 tons of carpet fluff, dog and cat hairs, crumbs and other "waste products" from the domestic department ...............:cry::cry:

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Peter, as you can see from pic 4 I place paper sheets everywhere, to catch the surplus and to stop the spray from going onto the rails etc.

 

 

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I saw that Phil but assumed you used a vac afterwards to clean up the strays that miss the sheeting. :roll:

If so, do you just discard that ?

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There's so little of the strays that I disgard them, however when there's not I just use a piece of fine cloth in the end of the tube, I guess thats standard practice.

 

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Not in my house Phil !!! :oops::oops::oops::oops:

It might start to be from now on .......................:roll::thumbs

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This layout is truly inspiring.  Some incredible detail and realism.
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Lovely work on the trees Ben and a useful "how I do it."
I couple of question if I may?
When you say that you just "push through" copper wire, is that all you do? Just push it through the existing tree and rely on the trees existing structure and foliage to hold the wire in place?
Did you paint the wire or just rely on the foliage to disguise the "shine".
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Thanks Tom.

 

Marty, the tree was too narrow, it needed some width. The wires were just pushed through, with the same amount showing either side, the existing hydrangea stalks were enough to hold them, but glue could have been added along the wires if needed. In this case they were not painted because I needed thick leaf cover and that would conceal the shine, but normaly painting is a good idea.

There are quite a few grassy areas to the layout, these were done twenty years back using the lint pull-off method, the have now faded, they still look good but i'm thinking of adding static grass, you can see some of the areas in the last few pictures and the rest previously in this thread, any opinions on this? 

 

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Phil,

Thank you for your reply, it answers my questions perfectly.

While I've seen static grass used to good effect on quite a few layouts I've never used it myself.
I'd like to give it a go and probably will one day.

For OO I feel that it makes a significant improvement to the vegetation on a layout.From what I've seen, mixing the fibre colours, e.g. 60% Green 20% Yellow 20% Tan prior to application produces a better representation of nature than using the solid colour straight from the pack.

My personal feeling is that at 2mm to the foot in N scale (approx) the fibre has application for specific vegetation only.
That being long grass, cropped fields and other taller grasses. A well chewed over stock field or well tended lawn can be better represented with scatter.

Just my thoughts.
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Marty wrote: ............My personal feeling is that at 2mm to the foot in N scale (approx) the fibre has application for specific vegetation only.
That being long grass, cropped fields and other taller grasses. A well chewed over stock field or well tended lawn can be better represented with scatter.

Just my thoughts.
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I couldn't agree more Marty.   I think the use of too long static grass in some N layouts looks very unrealistic, furthermore some layouts I've seen in various scales seem to me to have too much of this type of foliage and often too bright colouring too!   Keep it looking natural should be the watchword! ;-)

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G'day Phil,

Regarding your Hydrangea trees, do you thicken up the trunk at the base or just use the stalks straight (dried ofcourse), with the finer stalks (branches) trimmed down to shape ? Oh yeah, I almost forgot, the tree looks fantastic !

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Gary, the trunks as they are are too thin for the overall size, I thickened mine out, as far as I remember, by binding and then with Polyfilla. The knobs at the ends of the stalks have to be cut off too.

 

I seem to remember that when I did the binding, probably with string etc, I added a rod for ground fixing.

 

I think it's also possible to add extra (trimmed) hydrangea stalks to the main one to thicken it out even more.

 

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Tea Break!


Not sure what he's going to catch in that water! Twenty years of darkening varnish...it needs re-doing :roll:

 

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Fantastic shots Phil. :thumbs

What are the figures and how did you alter them for the poses ?  The guy leaning on the shed with legs crossed and a mug of tea in his hand is superb, as is the guy with the newspaper on his knee. Wow !!!

They look so real, not only as individuals but also the way you've made up the groups. :pathead

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Petermac wrote: Fantastic shots Phil. :thumbs


Exactly what I was going to say!

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Luckily they did'nt need modifying! they are from Dart Castings, the trick is to arrange in good group poses.

 

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Phil: Mightily impressed by both your modelling and your 'proper' job.

While I might aspire to some good modelling, I could never in a million years emulate your beautiful work illustrated on the link.
Fabulous.
I hope there are folk in training to take up the craft for the next generation.

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I taught my son Simon to engrave, twenty years ago, I was quite proud of the way he progressed, within two years he had a front page and an article in Shooting Times magazine. He has recently worked for Eric Clapton and Ron Dennis. :lol:

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It's this sort of attention to detail that makes a huge difference to a layout.
So many layouts at exhibitions are devoid of people or if they have any, little thought has gone into the whole aspect of human interactions. Your cameos are perfect

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Phil.c wrote: I taught my son Simon to engrave, twenty years ago, I was quite proud of the way he progressed, within two years he had a front page and an article in Shooting Times magazine. He has recently worked for Eric Clapton and Ron Dennis. :lol:
What - playing the guitar AND driving cars or engraving shotguns ..............:shock::shock::mutley

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Trev wrote: It's this sort of attention to detail that makes a huge difference to a layout.
So many layouts at exhibitions are devoid of people or if they have any, little thought has gone into the whole aspect of human interactions. Your cameos are perfect

I totally agree and human interactions is what makes it real, that remins me, I need to add a vacuum flask and a grub box to that bench :lol:

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Two additions to the colliery, the scaffolding, made from 0.5mm brass rod, soldered and the overhang extension. The windows were drawn in Photoshop and printed onto transparency sheet.

 

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Apart from the fact that I wouldn't want to work on that scaffolding Phil :shock:, your posts are always a joy to study.

The water tower is the closest to real concrete that I've ever seen in model form I think and, as ever, it's the tiny detail that sets your work in a different league.  The slightly differing lengths on the corrugated sheeting, the missing window pane, the neat chimney pipe exiting the cantilevered lean-to and the very believable girder supports for the same "outpost, to say nothing of the authentic grouping of the characters.

Beats chewing Easter eggs any day. :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs

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Thanks Peter.

 

Re. the scaffolding....nothing wrong with that :lol:, i've worked on much more dodgy stuff, of course, when I was much younger and with no health & safety :shock:

 

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Fantastic detail in those scenes!
At first glance, I did wonder at the placement of a "toilet bowl" on your layout though!

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Thanks for posting the latest batch of pictures Phil. Really impressed by the scaffolding. I remember as an apprentice plumber in the 1960's climbing up and down such structures with ease. Nowadays, be lucky if I get past the first level, prefer terafirma in my advancing years. That a side, keep up the good work Phil.

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I was more concerned about the apparent total lack of any cross-bracing on the ends of the scaffolding structure ..............:roll::roll:  I see there are a few laterally but, as far as I can see, nothing on the end or centre columns .........  Maybe that's why the guys in the doorway have hard hats on and one guy is about to abseil off the thing ..........:roll::lol::lol:

I'm sorry Sir, we'll have to serve a prohibition notice on it until it meets with current regulations ................:lol::lol::lol:

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Hi Peter, I suppose me saying that I ran out of rod wouldn't make a difference:lol:...but there's some on order, I wasn't expecting health and safety:lol:

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Well why didn't you say so ? !!!   That's fine, as long as it's on the way ..................:thumbs:lol::lol:

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Having worked as a scaffolder for a very short time, those 25foot steel poles make a real dent in your shoulder when you carry them:shock: I would suggest if you want to be very accurate that you need diagonal 25 foot poles going from the bottom outside of the scaffolding to the inside (or next to the building) on the ends of your rig. This is to brace it against the builing to hopefully stop it peeling away from the building:shock:. Happened in Shrewsbury, shropshire one time in the late 1970s blocking a road:shock::shock:.

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Diagonals are priority when the new supply comes. If you notice, the hand rail on the first floor is a tad thicker than the rest, this was the very last piece I could find, but I don't think it's noticable.....not until now :lol:

 

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Magnificient.... This is a superb model. With all the cameo scenes taking place, I could sit in your railway room for days just admiring your attention to detail !

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I must say Phil, until you mentioned the handrail on the first level, it was'nt noticable. I was too busy looking and admiring the detail on the other aspects of the model.   

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I think this layout is superb. I love all the attention to detail and that it is not all pristine. I admire your handiwork and your ability to group things so they look so natural.

Keep up the good work as I need all the inspiration I can get to spur me onto making my own layout.

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Thanks Gary, Barney and Simon!

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Many thanks Phil for sharing your superb railway, I have spent a very pleasant time looking at all the wonderful scenes.

An excellent example of model work at its best.

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Great stuff, Phil. I would not dream of suggesting painting or covering that lovely window with its great view,s !

On the trackside perhaps rocks and rough grass, with gorse bushes and lot,s of sheep, Maybe an old tumble down cottage.
Also if you are going to bother perhaps a junction signal? Nothing to high so you can reach across easily?

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That mixing desk is in the way Phil so needs to go .............I'll send you the address of a dump in south west France where, for a small fee, they can be recycled ........................:roll::roll:

As Derek said, lovely view but is that white stuff I see on the top of the hill ........................? :sad:

Are those "moorland ponds" in the last shot ?  If they are "moorland", then just some low heather type plants on the "moonscape" and perhaps the odd rock boulder.  If it's not moorland, then it needs some slightly taller vegetation and, at the edge of the ponds, maybe some reeds and bulrushes......................The odd tree would break it up a bit but would also spoil the view. :hmm

In retrospect, I'd make it moorland ..............:thumbs


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Thanks guys, two thoughts, that area is about five feet-ish, a moorland would look good  but on the other hand theres a lot of area there that could be modeled:???:

 

 

A few trees might be needed, as Peter suggests, to break it up. I also like the idea of an old tumbled down farm cottage/s.

 

Peter,

Perhaps a better idea and cheaper for me is to send that desk to you and you could dump it for me :lol:

 

That is the remaining snow you see, these pic were taken yesterday, temperature 3deg c.

 

Here's some Photoshop, just for taking pics of that area.

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PS Derek made a nice comment about the view so here's a few more pics, my house is the one right down the valley, just after a lake which is just visible, it used to be the colliery managers house, the colliery was on the left, it's now a country park.

The second picture is from my front door, the little path leads to a natural quary with a waterfall, Dr Who was filmed there in the early 70's.








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Lovely countryside around your area Phil thanks for the photo,s.
I see you have a backscene across the window. which with its scenic view is not dissimilar to the real thing.Also at night you will have a lovely country view, Good Thinking.

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Thanks Derek, by the way, the backscene is not really there, it's Photoshop'd

 

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Nice one Phil fooled me, Still It gives you an idea of what a backscene will look like.
Oh I mentioned in another thread track work ect old for new post.
Cleaning rails a cheap fairly easy method apart from tunnels.
Using Denim or cork sheet as a cleaning material.

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I notice on this shot, and the one prior to it, that you have a very, very long switchblade on the inner track Phil. :roll:  In this shot, it almost looks like dual-gauge.

Why is that or is it "camera stretching" ?



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No POINT in it :lol: done twenty years ago for an unknown reason, I wish it wasn't that way but too much work involved to change it. From eye level it's not noticable!

 

As fot the corner in the picture, by the colliery, i'm thinking af adding a fillet there to make thinks flow a little better.

 

Two of the tracks at the baseboard join have lifted, this was caused when a guy who was installing CCTV for me, from kneeling, hit his head on it when getting up, I was more concerned with the track than his head :roll:

 

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Well, I'm not going to photograph what's outside my window... Fantastic views you have Phil.

As for your railway, what about a length of dissused and overgrown railway line from a former quarry ? No need for points as you can claim that they were removed years ago after the collapse of the quarry. Afterall, you do have a quarry/mine scene in the corner.

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Hope you don't mind, but I think I'm going to steal those conveyor sheds that you have going over the railway in this pic. :cheers

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 i'm thinking of adding a fillet there to make thinks flow a little better.

Make sure you cook it first !..

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Thanks Gary, your ideas sound good, I am thinking along the lines of an old drift mine, around here they're called levels. When I was a boy they were left open and we used to go right into them. The drams for one I recollect was pulled by a steel rope which was attached to a configuration fixed to the axle of an old lorry. We used to push the dram up to the top of the incline, jump in it and ride it deep into the mountain, if my parents only knew :shock:

 

Here's a picture of the colliery that was almost outside my house (the managers house) The washery was in the place of the lake just visible on one of my other pictures.



 

Also, a picture of my house, taken from the quarry, of course, it didn't look then like it does today.
The railway line is visible just below, it is now a bicycle track. 

 

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From that black & white pic above, I can see where the inspiration for your layout came from. Just a few similarities !

Cheers, Gary.

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It's all there in the picture Gary ;-)

 

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Just a bit of fun  :lol:

61xx South Eastern Finecast, etched chassis with Mashima motor and flywheel, 60.1, Finescale wheels.

 

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You sure can handle the software when it comes to enhancing your photographs Phil. That last shot is a real cracker. How long has it taken you to get such a good grip on Photoshop?

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I see what you did. 

You took a photo of the real train, and photoshopped the fence in.

Clever !!  :mrgreen:

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Andy.....you've blown it all...... I confess :lol:

 

Robert, as far as i'm concerned i'm still fumbling about :roll: What i've learned has come by accident or by trial and error! It all started when I wanted to take pictures of my work with a 35mm real film, I would take the shots, have them developed and printed only to find that they were rubbish!, Today of course is a different matter as you can see what in your camera straight away, but I have found that no matter how good your camera is, the pictures still need editing, Photoshop is excellent for this. The trickery things are mainly to do with trains etc, it's good fun.

 

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Phil.c wrote: Just a bit of fun  :lol:

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And what fun !!!!

Stunning photo Phil - "shopped" or not !!!  :doublethumb:doublethumb

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Peter, I'm no expert but if forum members want to do something like this in PS i'm quite willing to help out.

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I'm sure a "Photoshop Tutorial" would be a most welcome addition to the club Phil. :cheers

Please will you start one in a new thread. :thumbs

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Peter,

 

As there's a lot to a tutorial, first I would need to know what to base it on, for example, the picture of the 61xx or something else? and are there guys out there that would actually like one. :lol:

How many people have PS ?

 

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As you've already done it Phil, the 61xx would seem like a good place to start.

I'm sure there are members other than myself who would be interested in seeing how it's done.  I had a stint as an advertising photographer in the old days of clockwork so I'm interested in any kind of photography.  My post shutter manipulation was all darkroom based but I often wish I'd had PS back then ......

As far as how many people have PS, I doubt there are many - it's not a cheap gadget so, unless you're "into" photography, you're not likely to buy it.  Nevertheless, it's an interesting subject anyway and who knows, a "tutorial" of sorts showing what it can do and how, might swing some waverers into opening their wallets or even prompt those who know nothing of it to have a closer look. :roll::roll:

If you do decide to go ahead, just look at it from a total beginners point of view assuming we are all called "Miguel" and "know nothing" ...........:cheers


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If you do decide to go ahead, just look at it from a total beginners point of view assuming we are all called "Miguel" and "know nothing" ...........:cheers



I thought he was called " Manuel"  or "Sgt Schultz:" - depending on which TV show one saw.? :roll:

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Hogan's heroes,what a show.

More to the point,i don't have PS but Gimp is a free program,would members be able to follow with that?.

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Alan, i've looked at Gimp on youtube and it looks like it's based on PS with layers etc. To do a tutial as Peter suggested, for beginners or Manuel would need step by step explanations with screenshots, most of the moves would be similar in Gimp but not exactly the same, so I can't comment on how easy it would be to follow.

 

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Sol wrote: Petermac wrote:
If you do decide to go ahead, just look at it from a total beginners point of view assuming we are all called "Miguel" and "know nothing" ...........:cheers



I thought he was called " Manuel"  or "Sgt Schultz:" - depending on which TV show one saw.? :roll:

You're dead right George - "Manuel" was his name ...................old age does terrible things to one's memory for names ..........:roll::roll::mutley:mutley:mutley

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Phil.c wrote: Alan, i've looked at Gimp on youtube and it looks like it's based on PS with layers etc. To do a tutial as Peter suggested, for beginners or Manuel would need step by step explanations with screenshots, most of the moves would be similar in Gimp but not exactly the same, so I can't comment on how easy it would be to follow.

 

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That's ok Phil,i'm useless at using these programs anyway but i'll give it a go.

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Hi Alan,

Poking my head above the parapet, I actually teach Photoshop and other photo editing programs. So if you do have any questions about any photo editing programs I would advise a new thread perhaps on the Computer Programs section.

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I would like to see a tutorial because I admire those who have mastered techniques that I have given up on. More importantly it will go into the Forum Index and be there for future members to refer to as well as the present ones.

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Simonmcp wrote: Hi Alan,

Poking my head above the parapet, I actually teach Photoshop and other photo editing programs. So if you do have any questions about any photo editing programs I would advise a new thread perhaps on the Computer Programs section.

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Thanks Simon.I might need to take you up on that.

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Just thinking, Simon is a teacher of PS, he's the pro here,:lol:  perhaps he would like to take over a tutorial, i'm sure he will have different techniques to me!

 

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Hi Phil,

I teach the "quick and dirty" way of doing things:lol:.

None of your "their is only one way to do it - the proper way" for my students. The less steps to remember the better I say.

Having used Photoshop since the 1980's when it didn't have a version number because it was so new I have learnt a bit about it. I don't profess to know it all as I used it commercially so was only concerned with getting the job out as quickly as possible. The printing presses cost £4,000 an hour whilst idle at the place I worked so there was quite an incentive to get the work done quickly:shock:.

Also once taught a chap who had severe memory impairment - to the extent he would ask the same questions at each weeks sessions - he had had several strokes. One week he discovered an old photograph and I taught him how to "clean it up". He came back next week and showed me several techniques on Photoshop:shock::shock:. I learn more when I teach than when I am a pupil:roll:.

If Robert would like to let me know where he would like the tutorials I can start with the basics and move on from there. I am out at the Melksham show this weekend but hopefully can start something next week.

Sorry about thread hijack Phil.

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OK Simon I have made a post here in the link shown below so if you could just carry on from there that would be great.

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=11112&forum_id=25

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I can't resist it, i'm hooked on these virtual scenes :roll:




 




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Absolutely brilliant Phil. How long do you reckon to take on each of those pictures you have just shown us.

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This one took about four hours Robert, mainly because all those little areas in the bridge had to be cut out to allow the smoke to show through. They are quick and easy to do but there are so many of them.

 

The 61xx picture took a lot less time.

 

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Four hours !!! :shock::shock::shock:

Can you save and come back to it during the process or do you have to do it at a single sitting ?  I don't have a 4 hour period free at the moment ...............:cry::cry:

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You can do five minutes at a time if you want, I did'nt do it in one sitting.

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Phew - that's good to hear. :thumbs

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Peter, here's the basic untouched picture.

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I can see why you're hooked on Photoshop Phil. :thumbs

What a difference between the "before and after" shots although I must say, the "before" one is pretty darned good to start with. :thumbs

I suppose it always poses that question of how much is modelling and how much is computer technology.  I'd guess it won't turn a pig's ear into a silk purse but it certainly gives it that extra "wow factor". :cheers

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I have found that no matter how good the camera, the pictures captured are not as good as what i'm looking at in the layout. PS is excellent for modifying this, it's not cheating, it's making things look like they really are. I am of course talking about normal layout photography and not the virtual pictures posted which as I said are a bit of fun trying to make a model into the real thing:lol:

 

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PS. PS has something that you are used to from your earlier photographic days, Burn and Dodge tools :lol:

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I'd agree that cameras are not the ideal tool to "see" what's actually there Phil.  Our eyes are constantly on the move taking in some bits whilst our brain blots out others ...........:roll::roll:

In that respect, PS is indeed similar to, although better than, the tools photographers have always used to get the best end product. :thumbs

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One of the best things about PS is that once you've got the layers and paths done, for example, you can delete the sky/smoke etc  that you've created and drag different ones to replace them, thus creating a new scene.

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I told you I was hooked :lol: 

 

Again just for fun. We all try to make our layouts as near to real as possible, hence sound etc, and we all wonder what they would look like with the real stuff coming out of the chimneys, well,  this is just another step just for the owner :lol:

 

Before and after shots.

 



 



 



 


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I can't think of anything else to say Phil that I haven't said already, so please take it as said all over again.

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You've said enough Robert :lol:

I just thought I should mention for anyone who is thinking of doing this with the free downloads that are available, yes it's possible, but if you want smoke/steam to go between/behind areas such as trees bridges etc, it is much easier and indeed necessary to use layers and paths such as Gimp that Simon (spurno) mentioned. Some of the other free downloads don't have these. It depends on what you want to do and how deep you want to get.

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PS. Here's a picture with the colliery area blurred to give more focus to the goods shed etc, this can be easily done with the marching ants technique that Simon is showing in his Tutorial.

 


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A view looking down from the bus, the driver must have popped out for something :lol:

 


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WOW........ I'm kinda lost for words,

Brilliant

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Superb shots Phil - even before the "enhancements". :doublethumb

On Edit:  Actually, I've just been back and studied the goods shed again.  It's amazing.  It could so easily be a photo of the real thing.  Do you take photos as you work Phil ?  To get all that detail in so perfectly just "by eye" (good though yours must be)  and memory is remarkable.  A photograph shows up all the small "errors" so they can be corrected.  Cameras can be very cruel but there doesn't seem to be a hair out of place in these shots ............:shock:

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Hi Phil

It cant be to relieve himself, as he is not allowed to leave the bus unattended, he is by law allowed to relieve himself on the rear offside tyre, now there is a cameo shot :twisted:

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paul_l wrote: Hi Phil

It cant be to relieve himself, as he is not allowed to leave the bus unattended, he is by law allowed to relieve himself on the rear offside tyre, now there is a cameo shot :twisted:

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The whisp of steam coming off the radiator is the give-away Paul. ;-)

Either that or he's peeing on a hot exhaust manifold ...........................:shock::shock:

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Maybe he forgot the hand brake, and is actually underneath cross legged and hanging on :roll::lol::mutley

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 Actually, I've just been back and studied the goods shed again.  It's amazing.  It could so easily be a photo of the real thing.  Do you take photos as you work Phil ?  To get all that detail in so perfectly just "by eye" (good though yours must be)  and memory is remarkable.  A photograph shows up all the small "errors" so they can be corrected.  Cameras can be very cruel but there doesn't seem to be a hair out of place in these shots ............:shock:


I don't usually take shots as I go along just at the end...if there is an end :roll: As you say a photograph shows the errors, I think that when looking at the real thing, there is so much 3D information that the brain absorbs it as a whole, when looking at pictures we can focus on specific areas.

I'm told that it is also lawfull to take a pee when in charge of a horse or horse and cart..nothing mentioned though about pee-ing on the horse's rear leg :lol:

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Here's another picture to show the versitality of Layers and hopefully a sweetener for those following Simons tutorial and who want to invest in the upgrade program packages.

The smoke/steam has been reversed and erased under the bridge and it also shows through the bridge's latticework. This is possible because the main picture is on layer 1, the smoke on another layer and the bus radiator steam on another.

For those not familier with layers, they are like sheets of paper and each has it's own image, so for example the top layer/picture will be the only one visible unless a hole is cut into it or an erasor used, then the picture on the second layer will be seen.

The area above the sheep has been blurred also, this was done with a similar method as shown in the tutorial.

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Phil.c wrote:............................................I think that when looking at the real thing, there is so much 3D information that the brain absorbs it as a whole,...............................

My brain is obviously full !!! :cry::cry:

To create that scene without "checking" via a camera is wonderful Phil - I suppose your "day job" probably helps a little but I'm blown away by it. :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs

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Thanks Peter.

As you know my day job is all about detail and it's been that way for the past thirty years so perhaps I just take it for granted when modeling.:roll:

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What the heck :roll:....just ordered a Canon 6D full frame 20mp and 17-40 lense, Should be possible to get some really nice sharp pics with them, can't wait for delivery :eek:

 

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:shock::shock::shock:

That'll beat your earlier Box Brownie Phil. :thumbs

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I had forgotten how much I enjoyed Pen Y Bryn. You have created some remarkably effective scenes.........and thats before the enhancements........now that I am dipping my toe into Photoshop Elements I can better apprciate what a super job you do.:thumbs

Back to my marching ants......once I have mastered them hopefully I will be ready to post an intelligent question in the right forum!:lol:

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If I remember right, Elements has'nt got Paths?

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I am afraid I dont know what "Paths" are:???::???::oops: but I couldnt find them in the Editor menu

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Sorry, I meant to say Layers, go to "WINDOW" top bar and if you've got them they should be there with Paths, History etc.

 

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Warning Thread Hijack in progress:roll:

I doubt that Elements has Paths in it.

GIMP does have paths in it and I am seriously considering making a new Tutorial about GIMP as it seems to have all the facilities needed to produce photos nearly as good as Phil's. All I need now is a decent camera and the ability to take decent photographs:oops:.

Hijack over.

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Hi Simon, I had a feeling that there were no layers and paths as I had it on my old pc, I must have deleted it when I upgraded to PS. GIMP looks good though, almost a clone of PS....Hijack when you want to.:lol:

 

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Hi Phil and Simon

Should I start a new thread?........I dont want to clutter your layout thread Phil. I was going to ask some questions linked to Simons tutorial.

For now......In Elements V10  in [Edit] [Window]   there is a  Layers option.

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Go over to Simons thread John, that's ok, if you see Layers there in WINDOWS try opening it, you should get a box appear on the right side of the screen.

 

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That's better Phil - "D Notice" lifted ..........:thumbs:mutley:mutley

I like the "Tarzan" method of getting down - even has a corrugated iron slide at the bottom. :lol:

Another excellent photo that needs time to study the detail. :cheers

forgot to ask - how did you do the filtered sunrays on the previous shot ?  They look superb.

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Huh !!  And there was me thinking how brilliant you were ........................:lol::lol::lol:

Still looks good stitched together. :thumbs

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Thanks Trevor, looking for more things to model at the moment, I did think of doing a ropeway to take the waste from the screens to the tip but this would mean another building next to or behind the washery building, but not much room :sad:

 

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How things have changed, yesterday they erected scaffolding around our house for a paint job, all the lower tubes have sponge sleeves wrapped around and every bolt has a plastic cap, there's also a tag with the house address fitted, I wonder if they think I might sue them for some reason :shock:

 

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Phil.c wrote: How things have changed, yesterday they erected scaffolding around our house for a paint job, all the lower tubes have sponge sleeves wrapped around and every bolt has a plastic cap, there's also a tag with the house address fitted, I wonder if they think I might sue them for some reason :shock:



 



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It is designed to show where the additional costs are going Phil :mutleyl

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Filled water tower and added railings.



A bit of a wide shot!

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Wow !!!! That is spectacular Phil. :doublethumb

The colour of the water and the reflected bridge is so realistic I thought I was looking at the real thing.

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Just started detailing this area.





 

 






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Just one word Phil, Brilliant.

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Just trying to catch up on "happenings" whilst I've been "otherwise occupied" Phill and I'll echo what the others have said  -

Wow.......Wow.............Wow.......................Wow.....................Wow..............................Wow

That water tower is, as Trevor said, simply stunning - the water is so realistic.  Also, the steel "sheen" on the loading shovel - how did you do that ? The tracks look like "new" rust from a soaking since it was used a few days ago whereas the rest of it looks like "established" wear and tear (with a dusting from an oily rag). :pathead Is the highlighting on the top corner of the scoop lighting or painting ?

The wagon weathering is also excellent.  So often, you see the bodies weathered and the outside of the wheels but yours appear to be properly weathered "underneath" too, with only the tyres bright. :thumbs

I have no idea where you'd buy rubberised horsehair today.  Wasn't it used as carpet underlay as a replacement for felt many moons ago ?

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Just trying to catch up on "happenings" whilst I've been "otherwise occupied" Phill and I'll echo what the others have said -

Wow.......Wow.............Wow.......................Wow.....................Wow..............................Wow

That water tower is, as Trevor said, simply stunning - the water is so realistic. Also, the steel "sheen" on the loading shovel - how did you do that ? The tracks look like "new" rust from a soaking since it was used a few days ago whereas the rest of it looks like "established" wear and tear (with a dusting from an oily rag). :pathead Is the highlighting on the top corner of the scoop lighting or painting ?

The wagon weathering is also excellent. So often, you see the bodies weathered and the outside of the wheels but yours appear to be properly weathered "underneath" too, with only the tyres bright. :thumbs

I have no idea where you'd buy rubberised horsehair today. Wasn't it used as carpet underlay as a replacement for felt many moons ago ?


WOW
   Peter!!!! Not sure if I deseve all those:eek:

 

The sheen on the shovel was done with an oxide wash readilly available in those small paint bottles, can't remember the makers, but I can find out next time i'm in the layout room.

The highlighting on the scoop, are you talking about the crane bucket?

The wagon weathering was done with an airbrush so it goes just about everyplace you want it to.

 

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Yes Phil - the top edge of the bucket as we look at the picture.  There's a "white" streak along it - where it would have been scraped by the digging action...........:roll::roll:  It could be where the light is catching it ...........................

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Phil.c wrote: Thanks guys!

 

A question, does anyone know of a UK supplier of rubberized horse hair?

 

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Try this place Phil  :

http://modelscenerysupplies.co.uk/model-hedges-and-bushes/rubberised-horse-hair-fibre_176.aspx

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Petermac wrote: Phil.c wrote: ...................................................


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Yes Phil - the top edge of the bucket as we look at the picture.  There's a "white" streak along it - where it would have been scraped by the digging action...........:roll::roll:  It could be where the light is catching it ...........................


That's the light catching the raised casting.

 

Thanks for the link, just bought some.

 

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I think you have really mastered the weathing of rolling stock and vehicles. The NCB crane is just lovely. I also really like those groups of coal trucks too.

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Thanks Bob.

Been messing about making a silver birch to go in the foreground of that picture and also a stone wall, it also gave me chance to try out my new static grass applicator :lol: pictures to follow.

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Phil, you have blended the tree and the wall in brilliantly, it all looks so natural.

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Love the tree and the additional detailing Phil. The whole scene is so believable now.

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It's the attention to detail, the little things such as the broken wall and general crud around the works that add so much to the whole look of the model. Superb.

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Very nice Silver Birch (Betula pendula). The silver birch is one stunning looking tree with the smoothish silver/white bark on top and the tesselated black bark underneath. I take it that your model is only a baby as they do become a reasonably large tree ! Being a horticulturalist (fancy name for a glorified gardener !), I notice you have modelled it as roundish in shape rather than a conical shape ??

Apologies if I sound a bit picky..., must be the last 25+ years having an effect !! :oops:

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I'm no expert on trees, we have lots in our garden, some with green leaves ans some with red :lol: As for the birch, i've just taken this picture from my studio, the tree looks like a silver birch to me! It's about 18' high about 30 years old and hangs like a willow? It's round in section, the trunk has a lot of moss on it hiding the colour.

 

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Looks like the birch has had the centre taken out at some stage to get it to open up ! Definately looks to be a birch. Must say though, very nice garden. If I'm ever out your way and you need a gardener... ;-)

Here's a pic I just drew up of the shape I was refering too, more of a conical, but slightly weeping habit. 




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ps, Just listened to your links in 'scratchbuilding', very smooth indeed !

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Actually we do need a gardener as the one we have always used had a heart attack. We have tried about ten different ones over the years, they either want too much money and they usually know very little about plants, ie they throw them away thinking they are weeds or they want too much money, do the work as fast as they can, and it shows, or they want too much money and do very little work like the last one...sat behind a bush reading the paper and smoking a joint.

My wife and I are doing it at the momment....it eats into hobby time :roll:

 

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Here's a silver birch in our garden.

Taken last winter one morning when we had a heavy hoare frost. They are often hard pruned when young so you get a triple trunk :




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Yes Phil, isn't it. :thumbs

I always find nature does these things so much better than we do - it's just a pity she doesn't do it to order. 

We've had only two or three of these incredibly beautiful hoare frosts over the last 10 years or so but, when they do arrive, they're absolutely breathtaking against the clear blue sky that always accompanies them.

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Nature IS a wonderfull thing! Here's what used to be in front of my house, and what it looks like now, my house is the one in shot.

 

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Wow - look at all those trees :shock::shock:

What's the time difference Phil ?

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The colliery closed in 1975 partially due to a fire underground and Joe Gormley. After that the ground was moved around a bit and a lake formed where the washery was, a vistors centre was built and a caravan park. By the time we moved in (1989) the park, including the trees were established.

 

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Just trying out my new camera in video mode.

http://youtu.be/0S0WOTV1zbo

 

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Seems to be working very well Phil. Nice sharp image and the low angle gives a very realistic view. What make and model is the new camera ?

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It's a Canon 6D with 17-40 Canon lense, I had it set to f22 and changed the focus throughout, too difficult to see on the display even though it's 3", so it was guesswork!

Not as sharp as stills though!

 

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Niiice. Very nice.  :thumbs

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Toot toot... One of the drawbacks of N Scale... There is no way I am ever going to be able to get sound in my 57xx. Sigh.

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The sound picked up by the camera mic which is probably around 1/8" is quite good, but not as good as the sound from the 57xx itself, now if I could only plug in my Neumann U87 ;-).....i'll have to check.

 

EDIT:- It looks like the 6D can't use a Condenser mic which needs phantom power OR a dynamic :roll:

 

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Still messing about :eek:

 

http://youtu.be/pNXNK1seTV8

 

http://youtu.be/6JBkRnzO9Pg

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Here's a few more, "Queuing for Water".

Crew have still to be added.
 

It took some time to get the loco's running after sooo long, what I have noticed is the DCC is very unforgiving when it comes to clean track, the good news is that the CMX is back on sale in the UK and i've one on order.

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akYsIQuaYXU&feature=youtu.be

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4cAdgVT_2c

 



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Very nice Phil. It highlights to me the difference in the detail available in 00 compared to N, the motion on those locos shows up very well.

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Marty, I don't know much about N but I imagine that the slow motion is not that fine compared to 00, in fact the Bachmann's in the video are ok but my 57xx and 61xx are much better because of etched chassis, different wheels, motor and of course,  fly wheels!

 

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The videos are superb Phil

The crisp focuss and depth of field are outstanding.

Lovely slow movement well captured.

You are so right about DCC and track......I have the same problem......if I dont run a train for a while I invariably have to do some work with the Peco eraser.......like you I have to invest in a track cleaner

ps Not sure if the titles got muddled or I screwed up but I couldnt get a 57xxon the two links?

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Sorry John, the 57xx link was on post 297 but here it is again http://youtu.be/0S0WOTV1zbo

 

I love slow running, but it is a bit frustrating when suddenly everything stops including sound, just for spot on the track. I've been meaning to add weight to the loco's but have not found time yet :roll: Hopefully the CMX will help as it's had good reviews...it should anyway by the price!

 

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Of course......that was the first one that I so enjoyed:oops:

Do let us know how you get on with the CMX....I doubt if I will get mine until the Fall

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I will John.

The video demo's look good.

There's a twenty four foot double track on my layouts loop that hasn't had anything running on it for many many years. About ten feet of it runs under two tunnels, the rest runs behind my recording mixers, access to this for manual cleaning is not really possible, we will see what the CMX makes of it :lol:

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The CMX has just arrived, first impressions, heavy, really well made, it comes with the cleaning pad (roll) and a syringe to apply the cleaning fluid (not supplied)

 

It looks like is can do the business, the only thing is the couplings, which have to be adapted.

 

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I got one recently too Phil and, as you say, an excellent bit of kit but, although they do supply a couple of plug-in TL's, there's nothing to plug them into !!! :shock::shock:

I've got a US outline with Kadees fitted so I shove it round with that.  It needs quite a loco to pull it because not only is it heavy, the friction from the cleaning pads adds a lot of extra resistance.  I use IPA as the fluid - not the beer the Isopropyl ............:roll:

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Peter, it does say that two loco's might be needed to shove it around, with DCC, I know there's a way to do that, i've read it somewhere in the Powercab manual.

I have a bottle of IPA so i'll give it a go.

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As I thought, one loco won't shift it, I need to add more weight to the loco or get two on the job, when I figure out how to do it.

 

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Phil, I use acetone in my CMX & find a Bachmann Class 37 does the job of moving it around.

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Ron, problem is...my layout it none diesel, having said that, how far back does the Class 37 go?

 

I tried loco pushing without fluid in the tank so it might work as the fluid acts as a lubricant creating less friction.

EDIT:-   Still not enough traction with fluid added.

 

CMX mention that the more agressive solvents like acitone and celulose leave less residue than IPA.

 

Phil

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Phil, from Wikipedia re Class 37

British Rail first placed an order for 42 Class 37 locomotives in January 1959.[6] The first of these was delivered in November 1960 (entering service on 2 December[7]), with the last of this original batch complete by mid-1962, by which time subsequent orders had been placed.

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Hi Phil,
Why not try a 'what if/never was' type option.
ie either imagine that the hydraulic program
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What you need is a Great Bear:lol:.

I suppose it is 'Consist' with the Powecab DCC?

Won't two Halls pull it? Or better still a Wren castle should have enough weight.

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A Bachmann 4MT won't pull it, i'm in the process of adding weight to a Standard class, if that won't work i'll congure my Powercab to run two together, it's not a case of power , more of traction.....what about a minature sandbox :lol:

The diesel is alway an option.

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The extra lead added to the 4MT did nothing when it came to pushing and pulling the CMX, but.....just for curiosity I tried my 57xx with etched chassis, Mashima motor and flywheel and it works a treat! I think it's a lot to do with small wheels.

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The manufacturers need to get the odd job man in to tidy up that brick work!

Nice work with the transparent layering.


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Marty, i'm told that the bricky was prone to more than a few ciders :lol:

 

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Hi Phil. In the picture above (which is great), is that the Hornby foot bridge by any chance? If so it looks like you have lowered it? Can you explain what you did with the steps to shorten them and by how much, if that is what you did?

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Hi Bob,

 

Yes, as far as I remember it is a Hornby, but modified about twenty tears or so ago, can't remember the details, but I probably cut the pillars at the first step then glued the top part back on. The steps are then cut and the bottom thicker post of the railings re glued. I'll have a closer look later after work and give you some measurements.

 

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Stunning photo Phil. :thumbs

Regarding the loco - I use a US outline Bachmann GP40 to push/pull my CMX.  It's all wheel drive and pretty heavy.

It's not "prototypical" but the loco (DCC fitted) was dirt cheap a few years ago and I just use it with the CMX.  Whilst the loco isn't correct, nor is the CMX !!!  What you want it for is just to clean the track.

If I understand it correctly, setting up a consist is OK until you want to use them individually.  You then have to re-programme to delete the consist .........

However, if your 57xx does the job, then this post has been a waste of time ...................:cheers

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Not a waste of time Peter as I have noticed that the 57xx has problems on certain stretches, but thinking of getting this http://www.themodelcentre.co.uk/32-781/prod_1414.html and a Loksound sound decoder at £117 at least it should fit in with the layouts especially after a few buckets of muck are thrown over it :lol: The total price would then be justified IMO :roll:

 

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In blue :shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:

You need a green one Phil - blue came in much later ...............:roll: (plus, IMHO, it's a horrible colour .)

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Ok! green if it's earlier...............had a quick look.....can't find a green one:???:

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Here's one Phil - not sure if it's in stock or not.

http://transportmodels.co.uk/class370diesellocomotived6984inbrgreenliverywithcentreheadcodeandweatheredfinishoogauge-25606.php?cPath=40

On edit - I note it's a "pre order" item at Hattons so maybe it's a new model ................:roll:

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Thanks Peter but out of stock, one on order from someone else, should be with me Friday....now to order the chip!

 

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Petermac wrote:


If I understand it correctly, setting up a consist is OK until you want to use them individually.  You then have to re-programme to delete the consist .........



From what I understand, you can give a loco a different consist than it's main one so it can be selected differently?

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You're probably correct Phil - I'm a total novice at this DCC lark ............:cry:

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Novice wrote: Hi Phil. In the picture above (which is great), is that the Hornby foot bridge by any chance? If so it looks like you have lowered it? Can you explain what you did with the steps to shorten them and by how much, if that is what you did?

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Bob, the pillars have been reduced to 36mm from the top to the bottom of the concrete base, hope this helps.

 

It also looks like i've made the cut just above the six? sided pillar base.

 

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Just took this with a Sony Bloggie, not as good as the Canon 6D.

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TufRACkfMWI&feature=youtu.be

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Not sure what it's like close up Phil but it looks great from France :thumbs:thumbs

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It's all Photoshopped Peter :lol::lol::lol:

 

Just received the Class 37, excellent detail....still waiting for the sound decoder!

 

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Where did you find the Class 37 Phil ?  If you don't want to advertise, you could PM me. :thumbs

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From here Peter.

 

http://www.arcadiarail.co.uk/products/bachmann/trains/locomotive/32-782a/class-372F0-d6984-br-green-centre-head-code-weathered.html

 

The weathering is not quite as intense as the picture so it's another job for my airbrush ;-)

 

The decoder has just arrived with a big speaker!

 

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Don't know that one Phil but, although his website isn't complete, his prices seem highly competitive. :thumbs

Are you a first time customer ?

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Yes, first time customer, I also hadn't heard of them, but they seem very good, phoned up late, was promised the goods would be sent the next day, payed £6 odd for signed delivery and it arrived the next day, today.....gotta fit that decoder later:lol:

 

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Just fitted the 21 pin decoder,....dead as a doornail, can't get a reading from it:???:

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Phil.c wrote: Just fitted the 21 pin decoder,....dead as a doornail, can't get a reading from it:???:

Phil


Hi Phil,

AFAIA you can easily fit the 21 pin decoder the wrong way round.

But, I don't remember whether or not it acts dead, or runs the wrong way.

Got to be worth checking though, good luck!

Jeff

PS, I assume it's ok on DC?

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I tried it both ways, it works ok on DC.

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Well, it sounds like a duff decoder to me then.

Do you have any other 21 pin locos that you swop around with?

That way you can confirm whether or not it is the decoder

or the loco connections/socket.

Or anyone nearby that has one you can check with?

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No other 21pin decoders to check with, but it works with the dc chip plugged in.

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What make is the decoder Phil ?

I've never had a dud myself but I understand they are around .............

Whatever, it's extremely disappointing and most annoying.  Now there's a weekend to get through - you can't use your loco whilst those who supplied the dud decoder (if it is dud), have a couple of days off playing golf ...............:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:

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Loksound ESU, tried it again this morning, get the message "Can Not Read CV" when I reverse it I get " Short Circuit Detected".

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That sounds like a faulty one Phil ............but then I'm no expert and as I said, I've never had a faulty one so don't know what to expect.

Maybe one of the "experts" will be on soon and give their opinion. :roll:

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I've asked for some advice elsewhere Phil - either I, or someone else will hopefully get back to you soon. :thumbs

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Thanks Peter, i've just spoken to the guy that programs them and it's on it's way back to him, I should receive it back Wednesday?

 

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I did not think that they could be reversed & still work at all like the 8 pin units.

Phil, did you program the number on a program track? Normally the loco should jump a bit in acknowledgment of a program being accepted by the decoder.
"Cannot read CV" tends to indicate an open circuit, either in the decoder or dirty track & wheels and DCC requires far cleaner track & wheels than DC. If in doubt, a decoder tester is a necessity

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Ron, they can't be reversed.

I tried it on program track, it didn't read the manufacturers number, usually something like 151, couldn't program it with 003 which is the default, all I got was "Can not read cv" which as you said could be a dirty track, I also checked out my other loco's and they "Read", anyway, it's gone back so we'll wait and see.

 

Thanks for your help.

 

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New decoder arrived and fitted!

What a sound with this 37 class, the speaker that is supplied with the Loksound sounded ok but the large oval one that I fitted is great, it gives real depth and the loco growls. It also has the gear changes on acceleration.

The only problem is with the front and cab lights, they don't work, I have adjusted the connectors inside the body but still no luck...still working on it.

Brian the decoder programmer and loco sound recorder from Howes phoned me up that night to check if everything was ok, I thought that was very good for customer relations;-)

I also had a good day Thursday, Chris Nevard arrived at 1.15pm to take pictures of Pen Y Bryn for the magazine, and left at 7.15pm, lots of pics taken, also a short video.

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Phil.c wrote: New decoder arrived and fitted!


The only problem is with the front and cab lights, they don't work, I have adjusted the connectors inside the body but still no luck...still working on it.



Phil, not even with pressing Headlight button or button 0 ?  

 I am assuming the  decoder has been programmed that way as it is the normal default function. Did the decoder come with an instruction sheet showing the various functions?

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Sorry Ron, I didn't explain properly, the front cab lights don't work but the rear ones do, in both directions. 0 is selected.

I replaced the decoder with the original Bachmann CB and it's the same, but I do get the cab lights and front ones (white) flickering occasionally, which leads me to think that it's a pickup problem.

I have adjusted the phosphor bronze pickups so that they should touch the contacts, of course there's no way of seeing if they do.

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Darn it...I knew I should have put a 00 figure in there!:lol:

 

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I had to do a double-take on those pictures Phil to work out whether they were real or of your layout.

Those are very atmospheric little scenes and the Photoshopping is brilliant.

 

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Just a quick movie, checking out the new 37 Class.

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Peter, it came weathered, but not much considering the work it's doing around the colliery area, so I blew over a coat of cream and then one of matt black, some black gloss was added discreetly to give an oily look. It's still not finish though.

 

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57xx, Bachmann Body, Etched Brass Chassis, Romford Wheels, Mashima Motor/flywheel, Photoshop Smoke Steam!

 



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This really is starting to become disheartening Phil.

I'm seriously considering taking up knitting.:thud

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This pic of the goods shed is one for the 'Cameos' page. The fence in the foreground looks great, actually, everything looks great !

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I agree Gary.

It's a remarkable little cameo.  Everything is "as it should be" and your eye just wanders over the scene picking up the bits of detail that, seeing them here,  we all know should be there, but most of us would have missed out.  That's the difference between an "average" modeller and a good one ...........:roll::roll::roll:  It's the difference between a "model" and a miniature reproduction of the real thing. :thumbs:thumbs

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Thanks all, I think this scene works quite well, it was enhanced in PS by lightening the back scene, easily done with the marching ants technique, this gives focus to the main area. The car had too much shine to it, I could have given it a coat of satin or Matt varnish but it was easier to spray over the shinny parts with light green, again with PS.

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Phil.c wrote: ............................................................... The car had too much shine to it, ...................................
It also appears to have had a new set of springs/shockers fitted recently - it's sitting good and high ...............;-)

Tell me about these ants Phil ...............:roll::roll:

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Great work Phil!  The first loco I improved (only because there was real smoke coming out of the chimney :shock:) was a Bachmann Pannier tank.  I followed Iain Rices' advice and, to my amazement, it ran sweet.  No flywheel though.
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A flywheel does smooth things out and also helps with momentum, but not possible with the Bachmann motor.

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Well now your talking, but there's room for a flywheel with that motor?...I have a Mashima fitted to mine.

 

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Ha Ha!  Yes, but I sold the thing.
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Just an update, Chris Nevard has sent me the pictures that he took of Pen Y Bryn, they look great, waiting now for a date when they will appear in Model Rail, probably in a few months time.

 

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I'm thinking of getting a Canon G12 it's medium size, it has 10MP, a vari-angle LCD so it can be put almost anywhere on the layout and still be focused, it also has a wide angle lense and can focus down to about an inch, in the meantime here's one from my other Canon.

 




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I STILL have'nt decided what to do with this area,   http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=10077&forum_id=21&page=10   the easy way is to make it just a country scene, but that seems a waste really...or is it?

 

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A nice bucolic scene with horseys and moo cows - why not?  Not more track surely?  I did a country scene in front of my fiddle yard - not a rail in sight!  I think it looked quite good.




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Hi John, no, no more track, just some modelling :lol:

 

Here's my first bash at some ferns, still in the experimental stage!

 

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Words fail me, so very evocative.  :cheers

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Here's what I did.

I loaded a picture of a fern into Photoshop, added a brown background and changed the colour so that I had a selection, I also varied the sizes. They were then put into rows and printed out to scale. I used an knife to cut them out and slice between the segments. They were then twisted and curled and stuck into place.

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Thank you.... Filed for future reference... Although I don't know if it will work for N scale.

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Excellent!
Certainly look the part..
The scene as a whole look great.

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Phil.c wrote: Here's what I did.

I loaded a picture of a fern into Photoshop, added a brown background and changed the colour so that I had a selection, I also varied the sizes. They were then put into rows and printed out to scale. I used an knife to cut them out and slice between the segments. They were then twisted and curled and stuck into place.

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Lovely work Phil.  Etched ferns (bracken) are available here:

http://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Foliage___Scale_1_60_to_1_100___Feuillage_HO.html

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Marty, this doesn't work in N the ferns won't print that small.

Thanks for the link Terry, I knew about etched ones but I thought i'd give it a go myself, it takes about 30 seconds to cut one out and stick it in place.

Khris, I find that a scene can always be added to!

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G'day Phil,

Looked at that scene that needs filling-in and thought that a nice low level double line trestle bridge could be incorporated as it is below the hill in the corner and may resemble the area where you live... The trestle could be located just to the right of the points. It could be made of the 'local' stone like the road bridge or from brick. You could still include the cows/sheep in this scene as well.  Then again, I have just noticed how long the switch blades are on your points... Just a thought !

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I don't know of any low line tresle bridges where I live, i'll have to check it out, but a bridge of some sort is a good idea, maybe from the headgear, across the tracks and then running down onto ground level?

 

By the way, if anyone wants to print off my ferns, PM me and i'll email the picture.

 

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Hi Phil,

I have read in one of your previous posts that the railway line has been ripped up and replaced by a bicycle track. Have you walked or cycled this track ? Is there any remnants of interest that once lied on the line that could be useful as a modelling suggestion ?? I know you have also mentioned the lake, did the railway line follow the lake side, or take a different route ?

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Gary,

The railway ran from Cardiff to Brecon, it was closed by Beecham but the spur to Ogilvie Colliery remained open until it's closure in 1975. The lake that you mentioned was created after the colliery was turned into a country park it's in the same place as the washery was, please see the B&W picture in my link.

 

The track was re-opene as narrow gauge some years back, from Pant to Pontsticill and is doing well for tourism, it has a number of locos mainly from South Africa. http://www.breconmountainrailway.co.uk/ steam, but I think, converted to diesel.

 

I often walk the old track with my dogs, now a cycle path, but there not much left on it to model, just a few small stone bridges.

 

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Interesting read about the line Phil. Maybe one of those stone bridges that still remains today is what could be modelled in that spot on the layout. Just a thought !

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They're two small Gary and not very interesting. The area I have is about 5'.5" x 1', a nice stretch of country would look good but there's not a great amount of modelling there, my previous idea about a bridge might not work too well as it would take up too much room and that area would end up with just a bridge?

 

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Hmmmm, I've just been wandering around in google street view near the Brecon Mountain Railway, somewhere between Pant and the reservoir and here's a quick thought.

Build the land up behind the line, run a lane up and down across the hillside. Line the road edge with trees, bracken, an old fence, a stile, a bit of woodland, a walking path, some sheep and turning into moorland as you go higher up.

Drop the land in front of the line and make forward farmland and hedgerows, maybe a farmhouse or two....

Well..... You did ask? :lol:

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Some good ideas there, there is however very little room to build up the ground and put a road in, especially with putting a hedge on the far side of the road. I think that loooong point has to be modified before anything else.

 

Thanks for your thoughts;-)

 

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I've just started shortening that long point, a bit time consuming but worth it I hope in the end!

 

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Not the easiest and quickest repair to do but it's getting there, only the point motor to be moved, re-ballast and paint.

 







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Thats a neat job you are doing on the long point.
Not an easy location to work on either Phil.
The railway is looking great by the way.

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Thanks Derek, the problem with doing this is moving the already soldered stock rails, a soldering iron has to heat one sleeper at a time and the rail pushed a fraction each time :roll: at least the frog didn't need anything doing to it!

 

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My brother who is also a modeller has had etched colliery drams made, they are accurate in scale, I gave him the measurements from a few that are in the country park in front of my house. They are typically the ones used in South Wales collieries. He will be ordering more soon so if anyone is interested please PM me. In the meantime, here's a picture of the originals and the etched model parts. I will post pictures as I put them together.

 

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They look good Phil. :thumbs

Maybe I have room for a coal mine ..................:hmm

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Peter, they're 23mm x 16mm for you to get an idea of size.

 

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Very nice Phil,what are the silver bits?,i like them as it looks like they've been repaired.

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Smashing wagons there Phil.
Tell me Phil your track ballast, What are you useing?
Also I was browzing the C&L site and they recommend copydex diluted 1 part copydex 4 parts water for glueing ballast.
They reckon it does not set rockhard and is a little less noisy?
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Derek,

Woodland Scenics, fine grey if my memory serves me well, as for Copydex, I don't know what's the difference between that and PVA, I know my ballast goes rock hard after gluing with water and PVA, it's possible to make a week mix which will just hold the balast together.

 

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Copydex is a bit flexible when dry.  If I remember rightly it was used for sticking down carpet.  I've just had the whole house re-carpeted.  Not a drop of Copydex in sight.  Shame, I could have 'half-inched' some for use with ballast.

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John Dew wrote: Excellent Phil.....they look really good

Thanks John.

 

Here's the finished product.

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Hi Phil,

The finished item are outstanding looking wagons. Nice work very well done.

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I think i'll try Supergluing the next one to see how that goes?

 

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Here's an idea of size.

 



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Sweet little thing Phil.
Thanks for your info on your track ballast.
Oh anyone buying copydex or similar.
Try the carpet supplier,s. I believe its a lot cheaper way of buying it, Rather than those DIY stores.

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Just in case some guys are wondering what the RH23 on the dram is. Every morning the yard foreman has a list of materials needed underground, these were loaded into the drams ie. Flats, (logs sawn down the middle) lags,(small logs about 3' long to fix between the rings) rings, ( curved H section girders to form a half circle to form the "tunnel" and hold the roof up) etc.



The drams were then sent underground, this was called a journey, the drams were marked in chalk to show which district they were meant for, ie. RH23.



It was also common practice to drop off drams filled with coal at various points to supply coal for workers cabins, ie the above pictures.



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Great modelling, great photos. The way the colours have come out is very reminiscent of Chris Nevard's work - the photos in Model Rail (Edit: looking back at previous posts, I'm guessing that's because they are?!!!)

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Great modelling, great photos. The way the colours have come out is very reminiscent of Chris Nevard's work - the photos in Model Rail (Edit: looking back at previous posts, I'm guessing that's because they are?!!!)

???.....Chris takes his, I take mine:lol:

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Lovely modelling Phil.

I think those little wagons are great and your information to go with it just brings the whole thing to life. It's been quite a while since I looked in on your thread and I will keep up with it now as I find it very inspirational.

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With the time difference I seem to invariably echo everyone else's comments......nevertheless they are a superb finishing touch.... . quite perfect in that scene.

I like the chalk mark.....just right

I always associate dram with something else......is it a local phrase or was it used in most UK Coal Mines?

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John, dram, I think is a just South Wales term, but it also means a tipple or two :lol:

 

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Fantastic layout Phil. Love the 'drams'. We used to call them tubs in the North Derbyshire Coalfield. You see quite a few of them at sites of closed collieries around the area along with half winding wheels to remind us of what we once had. Pete

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Excellent shot of the signal box with the loco's., nice touch with the bike propped against the steps. Well done, I like it.

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Now that's what I call a WOW factor...


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Well Done Phil.
Your Railway just gets better and better.
I love the way you have intergrated the scenery with those back scenes. Also the weathered effects on track, Rolling stock and buildings is the business.
Thanks for showing.

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Great photos once again. Pity the blinds in the second photo are there as the tree line outside coincides with the tree line on the layout...!

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I could Photoshop the blinds, but it would be easier to take the whole window away and just leave trees, but then they are over scale....when do you stop:???: :lol:

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Fantastic layout, can you tell me, your track looks like even the top surfaces are painted, how? How does the power get to the wheels if they are?

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The track is SMP Finescale code 75 it's also Phosphor bronze and gets darker with age so the good news is, no painting needed

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Great Photo's Phil,
Tell me that PB rail, I have used it for check rails on copperclad points in the past.
Whats it like for running rail and do you get tarnish problems like with N/S rail.
I am useing steel code 75 for the main lines and was thinking PB for the siding,s.?
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Hi Derek,

 

As far as I am aware the running is the same as the other types of rail, if you think about it it shoild be pretty good as most loco wheel pickups are PB.

 

It does tarnish but I think the main problem is again the same as the rest....dust!

 

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Phil.c wrote: The track is SMP Finescale code 75 it's also Phosphor bronze and gets darker with age so the good news is, no painting needed
Hi Phil

Can you tell me a bit more about SMP finescale, please?  Are you hand laying it, or is it ready to run?

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Max, a long time since I bought some but it comes in flexible metre lengths, ready to run, my point work is hand built with copper clad sleepers and lengths of rail which can be purchased separately, they also used to sell nickel track.

The flexible track is easy to lay with track joiners, the sleepers are very realistic.

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Thanks, Phil.  As you know, I'm hand building, but I'm always looking for a better option.

Do you have a link to where I can obtain the SMP products, please?

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When I used to buy it it came in packs of ten, I had no problem with damage etc, if you are concerned, let them know, I'm sure they have sent lots abroad. Go for it, you will not be dissapointed. It's good to see that they also sell point kits, these were not available when I bought mine, ready made ones were but were expensive when adding them all up, they would however have saved a lot of time!

 

I see lots of trackwork and fantastic layouts on these forums, but I have to say that quite a lot of the time some of them are really let down by the scale of the track.

 

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Hi Phil

At the moment, I'm stripping Code 75 Peco finescale flextrack.  That works out at about A$3.50 per metre.

I've only finished one double crossover . . .



but I can see lots of small errors.

The next one should be better.

I'll contact them and see how the land lies.

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It's looking good to me Max, if you decided to go for PB SMP, your crossover would I guess fit in ok after the rails are painted, but check out just the rail for pointwork as it saves another job and would blend in perfectly.

 

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PS, i've just started soldering together 16 of the drams on my last posts, quite time consumming!

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Wow that does look neat and tidy........I use old track for bus bars, a way of recycling unserviceable track....

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Max, you can buy Code 75 rail separately in packs - I think 6 rails per pack code is IL-3. I had purchased a lot from Junction Models.

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MaxSouthOz wrote: Thanks, Sol.  I'm guessing that the track will present a shipping problem?


:)Hi Max, Sorry to but in to Phil,s thread.

Marcway sell the track in yard lengths so the Royal Mail will deliver/handle the parcels.

Unlike C&L who insist on metre lengths which RM will not handle.

Be carefull with mixing Peco code 75 with SMP or C&L code 75 very different beasts. Different rail profiles.

If you use SMP or C&L track bases Peco code 75 will not thread into the rail chairs.

If you get stuck for 00 scale track bases give me a PM .

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Junction Models have stopped stocking rail, Sol.  I asked yesterday.

I'll just keep on stripping Flextrack, I think.

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Hi Phil.

Thanks.  I'm along the path of building with Peco at this stage.  I'm afraid I've got myself diverted into turnout building whereas my main interest is in RailRoad & Co.  I started building because I'm disappointed with the functionality of the Peco Code 75 turnouts for computer controlled layouts.

My first practice attempt at a double crossover was OK, but not much better than the Peco.

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=12107&forum_id=62

I'm on my second run at it, so hopefully it will be up to snuff this time around.

I love the look of your trackwork and I enjoy your photos, but I think I'll trundle along for now.

A separate thread on how you build would have me (and many others), glued to the screen, I'm sure.  :cheers

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Max, I haven't layed track for many years, it's all down, just the stuff around it needed to be added and still needs adding in places. I get urges now and again and do quite a lot but I also have my music recording that takes up my time.

I've just made another start and have almost finished putting together 16 drams for my coal mine which will be added after painting which also includes a few figures.

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Here's some new pics of the tramway leading down to the washery and screens.

 
 



 



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They are superb Phil.........I remember discussing them when you first got the etch.....you have created some brilliant models from it......they look very authentic in situ:thumbs


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Thanks John, here's another couple, the close up shows the dram damage.

 




 




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A couple more with some added figures and a cut down dram known as a Blewit.

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Phil,

So much of this thread is 'new' and 'different' and throughout you have been unstinting in your explanations and 'Owididits.

It really has been worthwhile reading again from Post No.1,

Very enviously,

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Thanks Doug.

This picture was done using light photography, basically, a completely dark room, the camera had already been focused and set to f22 and 8 secs exposure, a small torch light was waved around the area that needed to be lit. After this I added a dark sky, I forgot to light the lamps so light was added, a few focusing tweaks etc and it was done. The sky was nearly all black so some artistic license was called for with a replacement, I could have left it as it was but the new sky was more interesting.

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It started out as a road bridge but because of the curve and narrowness, also the three track span it proved too difficult to do so it was converted  to a public footpath. I'm still not too happy with it but because of the limitation, I think this is as good as it gets :roll: No plans, i'm just making it up as I go along. The middle cut away section will be timber....I think:???:

 

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Hi Phil,

The pic in post 487 is fantastic. :thumbs Definately a Jig Saw of the week !

I like the idea of a pedestrian bridge, not too wide but it does create a scenic break. I guess that this bridge will be treated with the same stone work as the road bridge further up the line ?
Just a matter of interest, you could consider a set of steps returning along the wall down to the railway, if it could/would fit...?



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Thanks Paul!

Gary, good idea about the steps, they should just about fit in there, as for the stonework, yes, the same as the other bridge. I think the wood across the bridge itself should look good, I'm also thinking of a bricked up arch and a lockup arch to the right of your steps.

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Gary wrote: Hi Phil,

The pic in post 487 is fantastic. :thumbs Definately a Jig Saw of the week !


I'll second that, even though I'm awful at the jigsaws.

Brilliant picture :thumbs


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Cladding started, steps will have handrail later.

 



 




 




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What a beautiful railway, built with imagination and soul.

A classic if ever there was.

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Thanks Allan appreciated.

 

I haven't done this kind of modelling for some time, I had forgotten how long it takes....just sticking a bit of cladding on :lol:

 

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The bridge will be a great addition......I like the steps and lock up:thumbs

The night photo is stunning:doublethumb

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Because of the lack of space in front of the tunnel ( baseboard corner edge ) I might add a few inches in the future, that should ease things.

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Some more cladding added including the steps. The coping stones next on the top of the walls, then the woodwork across the bridge itself, railings to the steps and then a think to see what i've missed!



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Nice job there Phil on my favourite railway but I reckon you'd need a stairlift to get up those steps !!:oops:

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Don't know about that Allan, they're ten inch, 45 deg, I think they look steeper in the pictures......anyway, we have strong legs in Wales :lol:

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Phil, you've done some really brilliant work on the bridge with the stone steps and the surrounding scenery is very good, the large Leigh poster is a nice touch. Keep the photo's coming and keep up the good work.

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Hi Phil,

The bridge looks fantastic and it will look even better once it is bedded in properly. The painted brickwork is first class. :thumbs

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Solved the space problem but i'm stumped as to what to put in the new area?

 

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Miners cottages...! These could back onto the railway line with small yards, market gardens, trash etc. The workers need to live somewhere and you now have provided a pedestrian bridge for these hard working folk to get to the mines... Oh, the hard working folk also need a place to drink, so a pub could go in too... ;-) Good place for the pub would be to the lower left hand corner of the 'new baseboard', right below and opposite the stairs and the cottages along the front, to the right of the pedestrian ramp.

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Thanks Gary i'll check that out, in fact I was brought up in a miner's cottage, two up and two down with a lean-to kitchen. Toilet outside and a tin bath. My father added hot water later and a real bath.

Bedroom furniture had to go in through the bedroom window as the stairs were in the corner of a room and the winding type and very narrow!.

We had electricity but some houses were still using paraffin lamps, every house had a coal fire/stove.

 

Here's the street where I lived although before my time :lol: my house is the first on the right.

 

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Alan, it brings back lots of memories, although that picture is way before my time there, the pavement is the same one as I used top play with my toys on.

There was a tarmac road there when I lived there, plus DRAINS!

 

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Is it still there Phil quest: Be interesting to see what it looks like now.

I looked up the house I was born in on Google street view, still there and looks much the same.

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The houses where flattened in 1990/1 all that's left now are the remains of the roads, one chapel and a converted chapel. There were three streets, my mates lived in the other ones.

I took a picture a couple of years ago of how it is now and Photoshopped the old picture on to it (translucent) but I can't find it.

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Back to your thread Phil.Sorry.

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I'm guesstimating that those houses are about 14' from the bottom of the door opening to the gutter, I assume the door opening to be 7', any ideas?

I also notice what looks to be a drain on the right, there are lines running down either side which looks like they have been recently installed?

 

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I'm looking for embossed stone sheet (not card) for the cottages, Wills stone is too big, any ideas?

 

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G'day Phil,

Have you tried Slaters Plastikard ? From code no. 0419 down.

see here ; https://slatersplastikard.com/plastikard/embossed.php

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Phil.c wrote: I'm guesstimating that those houses are about 14' from the bottom of the door opening to the gutter, I assume the door opening to be 7', any ideas?

I also notice what looks to be a drain on the right, there are lines running down either side which looks like they have been recently installed?

 

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Looking at the photo the doorways seem to be exceptionally high. The woman standing in one on the right must be roughly average height (5' 6" - 5' 8") so the doorway would be about 10'.

Had a look around the web and from pictures I've managed to find, the doorways appear to be about 7' with a fanlight above. Probably the other 3'.

That would make it nearer 20' from the bottom of the door to the gutter.

There again I could be totally wrong.

I know Metcalfe do embossed stone sheets as I've got some somewhere, not sure if the stonework would be too big though.


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http://vollmer-online.de/en/articles/art_6031.html a possibility
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Thanks Ron, the first link looks the best. The other way around it using Wills is to shave flush the protruding stones and with the oversize ones, engrave smaller courses through them then carve the flat surface with the stone effect.

 

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A fantastic build. The detail is great and so life like.

Excellent stuff.

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Thanks Toto, i've just noticed, the camber of the left track has been picked up in the pic.

 

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Hi Phil,

A close up of a view up these steps would be nice. Don't know if you could get in at the right angle with the camera to get it, but would be a nice to have. I like the handrails and the grass / weeds etc.

In fact while you're at it, a loco under that bridge would also make an excellent photo.

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I'll have a bash at that shot but to be honest I don't think it's possible. As for the loco, these pics are just quickies, some better ones later ;-)

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I have to agree with Toto, Brilliant modelling and the weathered handrails and the weeds look superb. The bridge has bedded itself into the landscape like it has been there since day dot. Very well done. 

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Thanks Gary, by the way, great idea of yours regarding the steps ;-)

 

This pics not very good but i'm thinking of adding a platelayers hut, on the left near the bridge?

 

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Well explained Gary,

Sometimes you look at a picture and there is something that you ant quite put your finger on. You've summed it up nicely. The bridge does not look as if it's just been planked on the scene, it looks as if it's embedded itself in there over time. Sort of settled in.
It gives it another dimension altogether.

Really well done.

Cheers for the pictures

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Hi Phil,

I too really like the area of the steps and the quality of the weathering. I am particularly struck by the lichen/moss on the lower stone work. I think you have captured the colour really well, It is also uusual to see wood fencing being used on the bridge, which is also a nice touch.

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The bedding in of the bridge I find to be just about the easiest thing about model making, what I also find is that no matter how satisfied you are with a model at the time, there's always something else that can be added.

 

I was going to do steel for that part on the bridge which would have looked nice but just down the road from me is an old stone railway bridge with wood so I decided on that, a good decision me thinks :lol:

 

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Absolutely Superb, The curved wall ads more interest plus the steps and the lockup, Everything about the Bridge is amazing I say again Superb


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Phil said, "I also notice what looks to be a drain on the right, there are lines running down either side which looks like they have been recently installed?"

The gent in the roadway on the front left is holding what appears to be a draw-hoe.  I suspect that he is one of the workman.  I wonder if the flagstone footway, kerbing and gutters have just been installed, thus the reason for the whole street turning out for the photo.

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Ed said, "Looking at the photo the doorways seem to be exceptionally high. The woman standing in one on the right must be roughly average height (5' 6" - 5' 8") so the doorway would be about 10'."

It's hardly likely that the woman is 5' 6" to 5' 8".  That would be exceptionally tall for a woman of that period and certainly not 'average height'.   In the 1970's the police were recruiting men of 5' 8" and above and women of 5' 4" and above.  These were minimum heights to ensure that police officers were fairly tall.  Accordingly, if in 1970, a 5' 4" inch woman was considered tall, a 5' 8" woman in the early 1900's (roughly the date of the photo,I guess), would be considered a giant.  The woman in the photo appears to be actually shorter than the nearest gent with the child.  Also, she is actually standing on the doorstep which makes her head higher in relation to those people in the road. 

I'm not sure about the seven foot door.  These are dwellings for the poor, not palaces for the rich.  Why would a landlord waste money on extra wood for a tall, seven foot door when a six foot man would probably be considered a giant?  Anyway, who cares if the poor have to stoop to get into their slums?

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The woman is standing in the house I lived in until I was twenty one. I can remember the door being of normal height 6' 6", the door frame would acount for another eight inches approx and there was a sky light of about another foot so the door opening would be around 8' to 9'?

 

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Phil.c wrote: The woman is standing in the house I lived in until I was twenty one. I can remember the door being of normal height 6' 6", the door frame would acount for another eight inches approx and there was a sky light of about another foot so the door opening would be around 8' to 9'?

 

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That sounds more likely Phil.  As regards the height from the base of the building to the eaves, the higher you make this, in theory the taller the rooms from floor to ceiling.  Nobody in that street is going to want to heat excess air above their heads - that would be a luxury they couldn't afford.  Personally, I would err on the side of making the eaves lower.  As the buidings are going to be at the front of the layout and close to the viewer, it should be o.k.

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Thanks Terry, as far as I remember the ceilings were about 8' high.

 

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col.stephens wrote: I'm not sure about the seven foot door.  These are dwellings for the poor, not palaces for the rich.  Why would a landlord waste money on extra wood for a tall, seven foot door when a six foot man would probably be considered a giant?  Anyway, who cares if the poor have to stoop to get into their slums?

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That's what I meant Holmes, a seven foot doorWAY, including the fanlight.

Sounds about right if Phil says the ceilings were eight feet.

Either way, exceptionally high. The few welsh cottages I've been in have had ceiling nearer six feet and I remember my late Aunt's farmers cottage in Sussex could only have been around this height. I'm only just over 5' 9" and and had to duck slightly when going through the doorways.

Begs the question, why were they built with such high ceilings quest:

Because they're built on a hill maybe quest:

Over to you Phil.


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Hi Phil,

Thanks for these photo's. Fantastic shots. Everything falls together nicely. What is the script with the smoke? Are we talking smoke box or photoshop. Either way it looks real.

First class.

Cheers toto

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Hi phil,

I really like the puddle with the tall reeds growing around it in the first pic, it looks so natural. Once again, brilliant ! :thumbs

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Ed wrote:
col.stephens wrote: I'm not sure about the seven foot door.  These are dwellings for the poor, not palaces for the rich.  Why would a landlord waste money on extra wood for a tall, seven foot door when a six foot man would probably be considered a giant?  Anyway, who cares if the poor have to stoop to get into their slums?

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That's what I meant Holmes, a seven foot doorWAY, including the fanlight.

Sounds about right if Phil says the ceilings were eight feet.

Either way, exceptionally high. The few welsh cottages I've been in have had ceiling nearer six feet and I remember my late Aunt's farmers cottage in Sussex could only have been around this height. I'm only just over 5' 9" and and had to duck slightly when going through the doorways.

Begs the question, why were they built with such high ceilings quest:

Because they're built on a hill maybe quest:

Over to you Phil.


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We had all moved out of these houses about three years, they were due to be demolished, I took my very young son back there to show him where I was brought up. The doors were open, there had been sheep in there, but the wallpaper was still on the wall, I couldn't believe how small the rooms were, I guess about 10' x 15' if that, I stood in the middle of our "tv" room. Originally a 12" which stood in the corner, we watched it with the lights out, my father sitting in his chair smoking, the room must have been full of smoke but we didn't notice!

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Hi Phil,

Photoshop is allowed. :mutley thanks for the close up of the steps. As I expected with the weeds growing between the steps and the wall. It's these touches that make the overall scene. Great attention to detail.

Cheers

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Hi Phil,

A couple of first class images. The sky in the first one gives a very moody look. Great stuff.

You must be delighted with these results.

Cheers

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The beauty of Photoshop and similar programs is that, when you feel you need a different mood for that picture for instance, as long as you still have the original edited file then a sky swap is very easy and can be done in minutes.

Ok, we all now that some of the areas in PS pictures are not real but it makes something that you've been working on for days, come to life and it's fun and that's what modeling should be about.

I've been working on the area in front of the steps, it's now a sort of yard, a scrap, plant,....or something else?

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I'm now looking for a good brick building to go in this area, actually, I don't know what this area is going to be...yet :roll:

 

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Hi Phil,

I think you have a lot of thirsty workers in that mine across the bridge and these workers need a place to have a drink.... Could the 'Miners Arm Hotel' be on the agenda to fill that corner ??

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Or even a miners " club " great for hen nights.:mutley
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Yes, and so essential the car park is as well ........ Where else would all the fights take place :hmm


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What I need now is some good looking village pubs to copy!

 

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How about this?

http://scalescenes.com/products/T011-Country-Pub

or this might make a more rural pub:

http://scalescenes.com/products/TO23-Small-Corner-Shops

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I'm waiting for some lazer cut windows for the miners cottages, in the meantime here's a couple of night shots.

 

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Very atmospheric Phil.The clouds look fantastic.Top job.:thumbs

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Wow, Ace,fantastic...Superb atmosphere...Very well done..

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Just starting on the miners cottages, I've printed out the brick headers, now chiselling out the area's where they go and sticking them in.

 

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Nice job Phil.   Is that a hand tool that chisel, looks as if it may be mini kango type?   Probably just a decent chuck.

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It's called a Palm Control, I work with it about seven hours a day, scroll down, there's a few pic of my stuff on there.
 

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What a dark satanic mill you have created! Most impressive.

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Another step.


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The houses, will go to the right of the bridged public footpath from previous posts. If there's enough room, there'll be a road in front and small gardens to the rear. I made them on an incline to make things more interesting.

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Some more stuff added including partitioning rooms off and adding lights, also the sills have been painted.

 




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Can't wait to see them in position on the layout...



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