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 Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2012 09:43 pm
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I'm doing this one for a friend.  Paul Chetter has an excellent sound project for this loco and I happen to have a spare Zimo sound decoder in stock, but I have some questions about the prototype.



As you can see, I've removed the couplers and I hope to replicate the chains in due course.

My first questions are, Were any of these locos named?  Did they have brass nameplates?  If they did, where were the nameplates mounted?

Secondly, there are four lamps mounted front and rear.



I have some red and some white DCC Concepts lanterns which will replicate them well, but I have no idea of the colours.

Can anyone help, please?



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Max, I'm pretty sure none had names.

It's standard for UK locos to carry 4 lamp brackets, or 4 lectric lamps.

For mainline operations, electric lamps were not used until the late 60s - I suspect there was concern over reliability (or perhaps a union thing).  Head codes were a very important way of controlling trains.  Mainline trains carried oil lamps even if fitted with electric.

A Class 03 would almost certainly never have any mainline duties (expecting to be contradicted here) and would have served as yard shunter or station pilot.  Lamps for station pilots were only required at night or at times of poor visibility.  Lamps for station pilot were one red and one white on each buffer beam.  Since head codes weren't an issue with the station precinct, my guess is that the electric lamps would be used - if one failed it would be fairly easy to mount an oil lamp.

Something to be aware of is that on some regions (don't know which ones exactly), track circuiting (to detect trains) couldn't detect the 03 because of it's small wheelbase.  As a stopgap, surplus conflat wagons were permanently coupled to the loco to increase the wheelbase.




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Thanks, John.  Very helpful.

So, we have one white (port side), and one red (starboard), and I'm guessing that they don't change colour as the loco reverses.

That leaves the two middle ones.  Logically they might be white?



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Max, in the case illustrated, the colour position doesn't matter (at least it's not specified in the rules).  Also, in this case, the two middle lamps would be OFF (or not fitted).

Since the loco changed direction so often when shunting, it wouldn't be practical for the crew to be constantly changing lamps.

In B&W days, commentators frequently confused station pilots with express passenger (two white lamps on the front buffer beam).

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Thanks, John.

I'll put the middle ones on an Aux so I can switch them on and off separately and put the running lights all together.

I like the idea of the flat car as well.  In the US sometimes they put a boxcar between the shunter and the other stock - especially if the other car had explosives!  Not sure that one boxcar space would save you in the event of an explosion, but I guess it's the thought that counts.  :lol:

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OK Max, if you put all 4 lamps on (white) you'll have the headcode for Royal Train.

Oil trains typically had a barrier wagon (almost anything as far as I know) between the loco and first tanker.  Its probably something akin to a crumple zone where collision energy is dissipated. 

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If you do add the track circuiting wagon, consider semi-permanently coupling it and rigging extra pickups from the wagon to the locomotive for extra reliable running.

I did this some years ago with an original Mainline (Palitoy) 03 because the Mainline pickups were a bit dodgy to begin with. The revised original Bachmann models were somewhat better while using the Mainline body and chassis tooling but the current, completely new models are better still. Even so, they do have a very short wheelbase, so every little bit of help for the electrical pickup counts for something!

I would go with the suggestions above for wiring the lights: just one red and one white over the buffers at each end. The other lights would very rarely have been used. I'm not sure about the 03s and 04s but certainly the 08s and 09s lost many of their marker lights when sent through the workshops in their later years, leaving only the two over the buffers at each end. That included the Southern Region allocated units which originally had two extra marker lights to allow for the SR/BR(S) system of route indication using the marker lights and/or discs - for all other regions, the markers/discs were used to indicate the type (or class) of train.


John, the barrier wagon requirement for oil/petroleum tankers was relaxed in the early to mid 1960s when diesel hauled - there is a pic of a class 25 in one of my BR livery books by Colin Boocock showing a class A silver-grey tank with red solebars right behind the diesel. Certainly when steam hauled the barriers were a requirement; usually two wagons or vans (as you said). I have seen photos of such formations with two bolster wagons, two vans, two low-sided wooden wagons (5 plank?), two steel highs or even two conflats. I'm sure there would have been mixtures of wagon types as well.

Class B tanks (as per the Airfix/Dapol kit) with the less volatile contents didn't seem to require the barrier wagons either.



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Jeff, I actually started doing a runner with pickups but felt that the very low weight of the wagon would mean that the wheels couldn't turn so I abandoned the idea.  The Conflat L is brass and I did add as much weight as I could but it's still only about 30g.

Your additional info is interesting.

Barrier wagons and steam make sense and I too have seen pictures of oil trains without - diesel hauled, as you say, and fitted.  I imagine automatic brakes make a difference too.

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For the runner wagon, I added a white metal toolbox (probably non-prototypical!) and a few other white metal accessories just to get a little extra weight onto the wagon.

With your brass wagon. you may possibly be able to add some 'liquid lead' into the spaces between the solebars and framework. The pickups need only be very lightly sprung so as not to create too much friction on such a light wagon - it is only intended to provide assistance to the main locomotive pickups!

As to the barrier wagons on oil trains, I think the reasoning was that the diesel locomotive generally placed the driver sufficiently far away from the wagons that he would be able to escape any potential inferno. Later on, with air-braked tankers such as the TTAs, the need for a guard and separate guard's van would have been reduced and he/she could have travelled in the locomotive trailing cab, until guards were eventually abolished. Guards and brake vans may still have been required where a reversing manoeuvre was required, as an example, into a private siding.



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I think I'll leave the wagon alone for the moment, Jeff.  It was challenging enough to do to begin with and I don't want to stuff it up.  The loco is a pretty good runner.

John

 



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